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The Real Story of JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis - (Excellent! New revelations!)
NEWSMAX.COM ^ | JULY 21, 2005 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 07/20/2005 6:41:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE

"A more vital piece of U.S. history would be hard to find," gushed the Boston Globe last week about a new item in the Kennedy Library and Museum, a map of Cuba. The Library obtained it from the estate of Robert L. White, a collector who had earlier received it from JFK's late secretary, Evelyn Lincoln.

"This map bears the marks of history," continues the Globe story, "a series of X marks in black ink, crosshatched east and west of Havana by President John F. Kennedy, and two foreboding words scrawled above them: 'missile sites.' This map was used by Kennedy during a Cabinet briefing on the morning of Oct. 16, 1962, as CIA officials described the evidence discovered by spy planes ... a priceless artifact."

Equally priceless was the record of irresponsibility, arrogance and stupidity that preceded that "discovery" by the U-2 spy plane, not to mention the bumbling, treachery and deceit that followed it. Camelot's toady press and court scribes rose to the occasion, however. So the official version still prevails in the MSM (mainstream media) and Hollywood (exemplified by the movie "Thirteen Days"). "This map takes me right to that moment, when he was trying to digest that information," enthused Kennedy Museum curator Frank Rigg in the Boston Globe story. "Who knows what was going through his mind–

I can guess: "Whoops!" Because all of two days before Kennedy unfurled that map, on the October 14 edition of the TV program "Issues and Answers," a disdainful McGeorge Bundy (JFK's National Security Advisor) made himself very clear on national TV. "Refugee rumors," he called the eyewitness reports from Cuban exiles about those very missiles - reports that they'd been giving the State Department and CIA for months by then, after risking their lives to obtain them. "Nothing in Cuba presents a threat to the United States," continued Bundy, barely masking his scorn. "There's no likelihood that the Soviets or Cubans would try and install an offensive capability in Cuba." ("Fidel: Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant," p. 28)

Kennedy himself sounded off the following day: "There's fifty-odd-thousand Cuban refugees in this country," he sneered, "all living for the day when we go to war with Cuba. They're the ones putting out this kind of stuff."

I'll gladly donate another artifact to the Kennedy Museum, to be displayed adjacent to that map: a HUGE pot labeled "Crow Gumbo: Meal served in Camelot headquarters October 16, 1962."

"'These precious artifacts belong to the American people," said Deborah Leff, Kennedy Library director. But not everyone thought the American people should be privy to every Missile Crisis artifact. "We can't say anything public about this agreement," said Robert F. Kennedy to Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin when closing the deal that ended the so-called crisis. "It would be too much of a political embarrassment for us."

Kennedy's secret deal with Khrushchev forbade any liberation of Cuba, not just by the U.S. but also by any other group or nation in the Western Hemisphere. Indeed, it was up to the U.S. to prevent any such liberation attempts. The Best and Brightest not only pulled the rug from under Cuba's freedom fighters, they also sanctioned the 40,000 Soviet troops and KGB goons already in Cuba coaching and aiding Castro's butchery of those freedom fighters.

Richard Nixon summed up the Missile Crisis "resolution" best: "First we goofed an invasion [the previous year's Bay of Pigs] - now we give the Soviets squatters' rights in our backyard."

Joint Chiefs member General Curtis LeMay slammed his fist on his desk and bellowed, "The biggest defeat in U.S. history!

Admiral Anderson, in charge of the naval "blockade" against Cuba, got the news of the "resolution" and shouted, "We've been had!"

In his memoirs, Nikita Khrushchev himself clarified the matter. "It would have been ridiculous for us to go to war over Cuba - for a country 12,000 miles away. For us, war was unthinkable. [So much for all the media and Hollywood hype of those peril-filled "Thirteen Days."] We ended up getting exactly what we'd wanted all along, security for Fidel Castro's regime and American missiles removed from Turkey. Until today the U.S. has complied with her promise not to interfere with Castro and not to allow anyone else to interfere with Castro [italics mine]. After Kennedy's death, his successor Lyndon Johnson assured us that he would keep the promise not to invade Cuba."

JFK's "dreary account of mismanagement, timidity and indecision," as Eisenhower described his handling of the Bay of Pigs invasion a year earlier, emboldened the Soviets to install nuclear missiles in Cuba in the first place.

After the "resolution," some of the very Cuban freedom fighters who had smuggled out intelligence on the Soviet missiles found themselves stranded in a Cuba swarming with Soviet soldiers. Dozens of these young heroes huddled in Mangrove swamps along Cuba's coast, dodging Castro patrols and waiting for their scheduled "exfiltration" by motorboats back to the U.S.

Their wait was vain. Their mission accomplished, their evidence to the New Frontiersmen about weapons of mass destruction 90 miles away and hosted by the most pathologically anti-American regime in history delivered, these heroes promptly fell through the cracks of the Kennedy-Khrushchev deal. They were expendable.

"Let's be careful not to let any of these Cuban refugees upset the deal" were JFK's words to his attorney general brother on the night of October 28, 1962. So the scheduled boat runs to the Cuban coast by the infiltrators' comrades to carry them back were canceled. Suddenly these runs were impediments to Camelot's delicate diplomacy.

Meanwhile, back in Cuba's mangroves, "Alto! ... Who Goes there? Gun bolts slam and the shooting starts. Several of these (now) irksome "Cuban refugees" - completely abandoned - now died in suicidal firefights against Castro's troops. Several more were captured, tortured and finally bound to the stake in front of the blood- and bone-flecked paredon (firing-squad wall). "VIVA CUBA LIBRE! " they yelled.

FUEGO!! yelled the firing squad captain. "Cause of death was internal hemorrhaging caused by firearm projectiles" read the official death certificates delivered by Castro's government to thousands of ashen-faced families.

After the Missile Crisis "resolution," the U.S. Coast Guard and even the British navy (when some intrepid exile freedom fighters moved their operation to the Bahamas) shielded Castro from exile attacks. In the Florida Keys and Bahamas they were arresting and disarming the very exiles the CIA had been training and arming the month before.

Much of his fame in the Third World, on college campuses (especially among faculties) and in Europe stems from the fable of Castro "defying" a superpower. In fact, he survived because of a sweetheart deal that allowed him to hide behind the skirts of two superpowers.

But don't look for details of this deal in the Kennedy Library and Museum.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Cuba; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agreements; american; bayofpigs; castro; cubanmissilecrisis; deal; fiasco; foreignpolicy; jfk; johnfkennedy; kruschev; missiles; swap; turkey; usbases; ussr
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1 posted on 07/20/2005 6:41:15 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; CyberAnt; nothingnew; Cornpone; AmericanArchConservative; ...
Cuba, JFK, Castro, Bay of Pigs Ping!

Char

2 posted on 07/20/2005 6:43:02 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

Are Kerry and McBundy related?


3 posted on 07/20/2005 6:45:40 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE

BTTT


4 posted on 07/20/2005 6:51:01 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: gusopol3

In his memoirs, Nikita Khrushchev himself clarified the matter. "It would have been ridiculous for us to go to war over Cuba - for a country 12,000 miles away. For us, war was unthinkable. [So much for all the media and Hollywood hype of those peril-filled "Thirteen Days."] We ended up getting exactly what we'd wanted all along, security for Fidel Castro's regime and American missiles removed from Turkey. Until today the U.S. has complied with her promise not to interfere with Castro and not to allow anyone else to interfere with Castro [italics mine]. After Kennedy's death, his successor Lyndon Johnson assured us that he would keep the promise not to invade Cuba."

I can't read, but my computer can copy and paste.


6 posted on 07/20/2005 6:55:03 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

"VIVA CUBA LIBRE! " they yelled.

Many of Castro's earlier victims shouted "Viva Cristo Rey!"
as they were shot in the old Spanish fort on Havana harbor.

Amnesty International (not a right-wing organization) admits that Castro has executed some 20,000 Cubans over the years of his rule. (Where is the international criticism that arises when the USA is going to execute one criminal?)

But different rules apply for left-wing dictators. . .


7 posted on 07/20/2005 6:55:06 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: malindasbady

Maybe Oliver Stone was right?


8 posted on 07/20/2005 6:55:25 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: CHARLITE

THAT Russia that the deal was made with no longer exists.


9 posted on 07/20/2005 6:55:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CHARLITE; Luis Gonzalez
L BTTT
10 posted on 07/20/2005 6:59:58 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: gusopol3

"Cuba has no WMD."


11 posted on 07/20/2005 7:01:52 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE
In his memoirs, Nikita Khrushchev himself clarified the matter. "It would have been ridiculous for us to go to war over Cuba - for a country 12,000 miles away. For us, war was unthinkable. [So much for all the media and Hollywood hype of those peril-filled "Thirteen Days."] We ended up getting exactly what we'd wanted all along, security for Fidel Castro's regime and American missiles removed from Turkey.

I love telling this fact to my friends who think Jack Effin Krap is da best. It's like telling a five-year-old kid that there's no Santa Claus. The dejected look on their faces is priceless.

12 posted on 07/20/2005 7:06:58 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


13 posted on 07/20/2005 7:13:25 PM PDT by e_castillo
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To: neverdem; johnny7; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; GianniV; ...

ping


14 posted on 07/20/2005 7:15:06 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: malindasbady
Agree...he was an absolute failure as a president...wish people would look at the truth/facts in regard to JFK...

Same with FDR...

15 posted on 07/20/2005 7:16:17 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: bitt
Other than socialism, what/which Democrat president ever did anything good, or right? Most Dems have botched everything they have ever touched, Cuba included.

The Kennedy administration didn't shed one tear after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. That paper sheds some light, that both Kennedys were covert parties to the invasion failure!


16 posted on 07/20/2005 7:41:08 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: CHARLITE

It wouldn't be hard to draw a conclusion from this as to why Kennedy was asassinated.


17 posted on 07/20/2005 7:42:43 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Vision Thing

when I've told people that, they don't believe it...


18 posted on 07/20/2005 7:50:06 PM PDT by cutexx
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To: taxesareforever

what would be your conclusion? Mine would be that the Soviets should have told Oswald that Kennedy was also a friend of Cuba.


19 posted on 07/20/2005 7:50:26 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE

Ask any Cuban exile in Miami, they've known all of this for years. They literally spit on the ground when they mention JFK.


20 posted on 07/20/2005 7:51:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cutexx

Yup, I get the same reaction, but I tell them to look it up on the jfk library website. They have a footnote about it somewhere there.


21 posted on 07/20/2005 7:51:45 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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To: CHARLITE

It's always been a puzzle to me how Castro has managed to stay alive all these years.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


22 posted on 07/20/2005 7:52:09 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: CHARLITE

John F. Kennedy was Bill Clinton long before there was a Bill Clinton presidency.


23 posted on 07/20/2005 7:52:25 PM PDT by Wolfstar (The Dim Party and its fellow leftist travelers want nothing less than the fall of the United States.)
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To: Wolfstar

that's what Clinton the Boys' Stater thought too.


24 posted on 07/20/2005 7:56:02 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE

There's a great book, "Topaz". It was the code name for the mission to photograph the missles in Cuba while they were actually on the ground. The book was made into a movie .. but I liked the book better.


25 posted on 07/20/2005 7:57:40 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: malindasbady
We gave up bases in Turkey too.

But those missiles were obsolete.

Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 13,700 for Turkey missiles obsolete cuban missile crisis.

26 posted on 07/20/2005 8:02:45 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Are you saying JFK actually foxed Khruschev?


27 posted on 07/20/2005 8:08:08 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: bitt; neverdem; johnny7; maryz; Lonesome in Massachussets; JLO; nopardons; Kenny Bunk; GianniV
The worst thing JFK did was to convince Bill Clinton that one can run the USA by working an hour or two a day, turning the problems over to really bright wonks, and spending the rest of the day in the harem. Jack Kennedy achieved office dishonestly, and was physically and mentally unable to do the job.

We have paid for this with 14 years in Viet Nam, a permanent Castro, and emboldened Muslim Terrorists. They judged our nation by the weakness and vacillation of this diseased SOB who took his seat with a stolen election. Yet the myth goes on. The Kennedys are revered as "Civil Rights" Leaders, yet during Jack's absurd career (so reminiscent of Kerry) in the House and Senate, he voted with the hard-line segregationists every time and produced next to no legislation himself.

Martyred, Jack and Bobby gave Ted a free pass to the Senate for the rest of his life. Ted's Immigration "Reform" Act of 1965 may ultimately top the damage done by Jack, the worst President we have ever had. And I include Franklin Pierce.

28 posted on 07/20/2005 8:10:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk

Martyred, Jack and Bobby gave Ted a free pass to the Senate for the rest of his life.

You really can't absolve the Massachussetts electorate on this.


29 posted on 07/20/2005 8:16:01 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE; B4Ranch

If we knew then what we know now - ping.


30 posted on 07/20/2005 8:17:04 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe

lots of Freepers believe he was a true conservative and won't factor this kind of stuff into their opinion of him


31 posted on 07/20/2005 8:22:56 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: taxesareforever

"It wouldn't be hard to draw a conclusion from this as to why Kennedy was asassinated."

Another endorsement for Ollie Stone.


32 posted on 07/20/2005 8:24:35 PM PDT by beaver fever
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To: CondorFlight
Amnesty International (not a right-wing organization) admits that Castro has executed some 20,000 Cubans over the years of his rule. (Where is the international criticism that arises when the USA is going to execute one criminal?)

There were no panties involved.

33 posted on 07/20/2005 8:24:43 PM PDT by airborne
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To: gusopol3
Anne Coulter goes as far as to say he was dating a known Russian spy in (I believe it was South or North Carolina) when he was suddenly 'reassigned' to new duties.

Kennedy's arse was pulled from the fire many times by many people.

I still hate what happened to him though. It was a tragic low ebb in our nation's history.

Hello LBJ.

34 posted on 07/20/2005 8:26:50 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Kenny Bunk
"Martyred, Jack and Bobby gave Ted a free pass to the Senate for the rest of his life."

Thanks for pointing this out. It's the absolute truth. Teddy has had a totally free ride because of the assassinations of Jack and Bobby. Nothing could be truer. The voters in the Comm. of MA. somehow think they "owe it to Teddy" to "keep the Kennedy flame burning" by guaranteeing him that seat in our U.S. Senate for life.

I lived in MA. for most of my life. I know!

By sheer chance, I once spent a weekend skiing at Stowe, VT. with Ted & Joan, although Joan didn't ski. ("The Lodge at Smugglers' Notch"). We spent the whole Saturday evening with the two of them plus his cousin, Joe Gargan. Believe me, when Teddy doesn't have a prepared speech in front of him, he sounds like a human dictaphone..........disorganized drivel.

Thanks for your comment.

Char

35 posted on 07/20/2005 8:29:05 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: gusopol3
.....absolve the Massachussetts electorate ....

Absolve'em? Hell I practice the Maine technique of charging Massholes double for everything. We need and take their money all summer long .... ain't nobody says we got to be nice about it ... otherwise the miserable, loud, and utterly obnoxious Massholes might be encouraged to move here!

The only good news is for New Yorkers. They have moved a notch off the bottom of everyone's Sierra Hotel India Tango list.

36 posted on 07/20/2005 8:29:52 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: CHARLITE
After the "resolution," some of the very Cuban freedom fighters who had smuggled out intelligence on the Soviet missiles found themselves stranded in a Cuba swarming with Soviet soldiers.

Topaz!
37 posted on 07/20/2005 8:30:33 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Jack Kennedy achieved office dishonestly

A couple of years ago for the 40th anniversary of Jack effin's assasination, a friend from out of town visited me here in Dallas, so I took him to the Book Depository. The place was swarming with Jack effin mourners. While we were there, I said in my loudest conversational voice to my friend: None of this would've happened if Nixon had the balls to challenge Kennedy's votes in Illinois. If he did, Nixon would've won, and Kennedy wouldn't have had any reason to be here on the day of his assasination.

I noticed many people around me in the crowd stiffening up with shock at my impertinent words.

38 posted on 07/20/2005 8:32:20 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Goldwater thought he'd have run a better race against JFK, and the MSM wouldn't have the mythology of Democratic sainthood they've used for 40 years had the assassination not occured.


39 posted on 07/20/2005 8:33:07 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE

when Teddy doesn't have a prepared speech in front of him, he sounds like a human dictaphone..........disorganized drivel.

Roger Mudd proved this beyond any doubt


40 posted on 07/20/2005 8:35:43 PM PDT by gusopol3
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Nikita Khrushchev himself clarified the matter. "It would have been ridiculous for us to go to war over Cuba - for a country 12,000 miles away. For us, war was unthinkable.

I did not think that it was a big deal at the time. Castro was more or less a hero to the left here and to many in the MSM. There would be no war -- especially nukes -- over Cuba.

"When New fork Times columnist James Reston asked Kennedy following the [1961] Vienna summit, 'How was it?', Kennedy responded 'Worst thing in my life. He savaged me,' and he added, 'I think I know why he treated me like this. He thinks because of the Bay of Pigs... I had no guts.'"

[End quote]

"He" being Khrushchev was right. Kennedy got us into Viet Nam (it was either that or Berlin) to try to prove that he had "guts." Krushchev was just pushing the empty suit he'd humiliated in Vienna.

The MSM helped make it look and sound dramatic, though.

Kennedy was a "great" president solely because he was telegenic and it was the beginning of TV.

41 posted on 07/20/2005 8:37:38 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I've looked for your "summer" in June, July and August so far...which weekend do you hold it?


42 posted on 07/20/2005 8:37:38 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Are you saying JFK actually foxed Khruschev?

No, I am saying that the secret deal that JFK made with Khruschev to remove missiles from Turkey, once it was revealed, was universally described as obsolete by the JFK administration and the MSM/History toadies, as if we were giving up nothing to those Russkie dupes.

No one ever asks: "Couldn't the obsolete missiles have been upgraded?" or "Isn't Turkey located in advantageously for U.S. missile deployment?" No, the U.S. Turkey missile concession is dismissed as if nothing by all MSM sources, and in identical language. All to further lionize the only modern Democrat President that they can possibly tout.

43 posted on 07/20/2005 8:39:22 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: gusopol3; SJackson
How true about the MSM being sainted over the JFK assasination.

Here's another little jewel from that era that continues to be a curse to our country and which we have LBJ to thank for:

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster: When will we value our national interest?


44 posted on 07/20/2005 8:39:23 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
"He" being Khrushchev was right. Kennedy got us into Viet Nam (it was either that or Berlin) to try to prove that he had "guts." Krushchev was just pushing the empty suit he'd humiliated in Vienna.

Krusty humiliated jack even further when he propped up the Berlin Wall. Jack just stood there and did nothing.

45 posted on 07/20/2005 8:39:55 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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To: CHARLITE
I am hoping that Ted's latest attempt to get on stage, fighting the Supremes nominations will result in a revisit to Chappaquiddick. Santorum zinged him pretty well a day or so ago ... but someone has to slap him down with the direct and real story of the negligent homicide of Mary Jo Kopechne.

The Massachusetts electorate must have some sort of disease. Maybe it's the water? Gargan, whom you reference in your post, also could have saved that girl's life. Three Massachusetts lawyers sat around for 9 hours before reporting the accident. Unforgiveable.

46 posted on 07/20/2005 8:40:38 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Plutarch

thanks for clarifying; they had to be as good as scuds.


47 posted on 07/20/2005 8:42:00 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: CHARLITE

The real story about JFK was he was drugged out imbecile who allowed the Soviet Union to station themselves 90 miles from our coastline.


48 posted on 07/20/2005 8:43:34 PM PDT by John Lenin (The RATS have struck out but they continue to run the bases)
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To: gusopol3

Sorry you missed it. Flies wasn't too bad. Fall starts this week, and due to the warmer-than-usual-weather, may last as long as mid-August. Could use a hand with potatoes.


49 posted on 07/20/2005 8:43:55 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk

there may be real danger for the Democrats pitting Teddy against an articulate pro-lifer on live t.v.


50 posted on 07/20/2005 8:44:24 PM PDT by gusopol3
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