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The Real Story of JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis - (Excellent! New revelations!)
NEWSMAX.COM ^ | JULY 21, 2005 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 07/20/2005 6:41:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: gusopol3; CHARLITE
No way his handlers would let Ted into a straight two-way debate. Heard him on NPR week or so ago ... utter babbling fool. Then they cut him off. No, it's prepared questions for old Ted, if any. Why debate when the state is a lock.

To give him his due, he looks better than he has in years, so much so that when he falls off the wagon, you can now tell right away! I also receive the distinct impression he loathes Kerry. I reckon he imagines that had it not been for Chappaquiddick, it would be he running for President!

61 posted on 07/20/2005 9:05:59 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Fledermaus

that's the copy Berger snuck out in his boxers


62 posted on 07/20/2005 9:06:49 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

rofl


63 posted on 07/20/2005 9:08:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (WTG President Bush. Hit the Left harder again! John Roberts is an excellent choice.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

it's always good to invite a Bunk to a debunking


64 posted on 07/20/2005 9:10:03 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: pax_et_bonum

bump to read later


65 posted on 07/20/2005 9:14:05 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: CHARLITE
Now I know why my dad hated JFK.

He was a Marine training some of them on his TDY in southwest Florida I think. He never filled me in but said that he had trained Spanish speaking soldiers to fight "anti-Americans" in Latin America. Guatamala, El Salvador, Puerto Rico, and other south American countries. Gave me a book by Mao on Guerilla warfare that had been translated by a Marine officer. He told me that the last "big war" was the Korean War and all the others were going to look like Vietnam.

when Kennedy was shot, my mom and family were all boo-hooing.... my dad didn't say anything. Said that he was the slimiest son of a b#$%h and that his brothers were worse.

My mom thought the world of JFK cause he was a Catholic..... oh well.... the "myth" of camelot continues.

66 posted on 07/20/2005 9:19:04 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: malindasbady

What do you expect from a man, when his Daddy buys him a job?


67 posted on 07/20/2005 9:24:01 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: gusopol3
Trust me, JFK was NOT going to win re-election ( that's WHY he was in Dallas that day...even with LBJ as VEEP, he was going to lose Texas!), but Goldwater was a terrible candidate and he wouldn't have beat JFK. Think Bob Dole and/or G.H.W. Bush in '92 were awful candidates? Goldwater wasn't as good as they were.

The CAMELOT fraud wasn't pushed until a few years AFTER the assassination and was thought up by Jackie, pushed upon E.B. White, who then orchestrated the drooling sycophantic MSM to carry it forth. And this was at a time, when Jackie and Bobby were having a torrid affair. Which I have an eyewitness for, to substantiate that fact.

And what the revisionist history has left out for 40+ years, is that JFK's presidency was just one mess after another. Even the UNIONS couldn't stand him and made him cave in to the myriad of strikes they pulled, all through his presidency.

Besides one tax cut, there wasn't a damned thing right he and his team did. "THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST" turned out to be nothing but bumbling idiots, traitors, frauds, whore mongers, drug addicts, and morons.

68 posted on 07/20/2005 9:26:27 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CHARLITE
We spent the whole Saturday evening with the two of them plus his cousin, Joe Gargan.

"And when I returned, Joan, and the lady drinking with her, were Go-hnn".


69 posted on 07/20/2005 9:26:50 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: nopardons

he did appoint Whizzer White to the Supreme Court, so that was one good thing.


70 posted on 07/20/2005 9:31:03 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Kenny Bunk

you got the funny bone going again tonight.


71 posted on 07/20/2005 9:35:04 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Heard him (teddy k) on NPR week or so ago ... utter babbling fool.

I'm not sure if you're able to hear Boston's Howie Carr Show up there in beautiful Kennebunkport, but when I lived in Boston years ago, Howie would often broadcast Teddy's incoherent proclomations. They were hillarious.

72 posted on 07/20/2005 9:50:54 PM PDT by Vision Thing (As Turner took in the breadth of Murdoch's domain, he wept, for it would never be his to conquer.)
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To: nopardons
RE: " The CAMELOT fraud wasn't pushed until a few years AFTER the assassination"

It really got pushed and named AFTER the assassination, okay.

But I do remember Vaughn Meador's comedy album, The First Family. Though the Kennedy White House let him know that they would not appreciate any more such things it did kind of project a "camelot." IMO.

I say again. Kennedy was telegenic at a time when TV really mattered for the first time. Being telegenic is the only thnig that made him popular beyond the partisan crowd. Period. He was as you described.

I've got to mention Barry Goldwater. Yes, sometimes he did not help his cause. He spoke openly and frank. IMO Americans liked that in those days. As usual the MSM did not.

Having the likes of Walter "North Viet Nam Communists' most trusted American" Cronkite trying to tie Goldwater to the Kennedy assassination and other distortions by the MSM did not help either.

73 posted on 07/20/2005 10:00:47 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: nopardons
And this was at a time, when Jackie and Bobby were having a torrid affair. Which I have an eyewitness for, to substantiate that fact.

Really now?! Sequestered on what planet?

74 posted on 07/20/2005 10:14:48 PM PDT by RustysGirl
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I don't know how old you were during the primary season and the presidential term, but I was old enough ( a teen ) and my mother had, by that time, made me a current events and political junkie, so I have vivid memories of all of it.

I HATED JFK, at first sight and my political guts haven't failed me since. I watched the debate ( the FIRST televised one ever !) and did NOT think that JFK had won it. WHY? Because I listened to what he and Nixon said.

Nooooooooooo...the Vaughn Meator album had NOTHING at all to do with "CAMELOT".

Nobody, NOBODY, not even the MSM, made JFK, once he was in office, out to be "THE GREAT MAN", until after the assasination. Even the N.Y. Times ran anti articles about him. Where do you think I got my info about the UNIONS and all of the strikes ( the Steel Unions trashed JFK constantly !) form? I READ IT IN THE TIMES ! And yes, I have a very good memory, which back then, was photographic. I can still see, in my mind's eye, the pictures and the articles about JFK and the strikes, his sucking up to the Dragon Lady and how he pandered to the damned French.

As a matter of fact, it was due to Jackie and the insufferable French, that we got sucked deeper into Nam.

75 posted on 07/20/2005 10:18:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: gusopol3

Sort of. LOL


76 posted on 07/20/2005 10:19:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: beaver fever

Yep.


77 posted on 07/20/2005 10:21:57 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: RustysGirl
In a ski resort in Vermont, on this planet; for one place. And the person who caught them, was, at that time, still a rabid, drooling Kennedy sycophant, with less than NO reason to make it up. She adored, almost worshiped the Kennedys, ALL of them...until that point in time.

Though I was told this, by her ( and she's an unimpeachable, honest as the day is long person ) in the early months of 1965, it has later been written of, by others, whose credentials you might think more highly of. Since you doubt me, go search FR's archives; the articles ( none from the Enquirer or other such rags, BTW ) should still be in there. :-)

78 posted on 07/20/2005 10:27:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: gusopol3

My conclusion is that there were a whole lot of pissed off Cubans.


79 posted on 07/20/2005 10:28:34 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Vision Thing
This article is also pro-Kennedy, but demonstrates that the Turkish missiles were the big deal, and that JFK's agreement with the Russians was secret to save face. It also describes how every MSM portrayal of the events slavishly reiterates all the pro-JFK myths.

“Mr. President,” Ambassador Thompson admonished, “if we go on the basis of a trade, which I gather is somewhat in your mind, we end up, it seems to me, with the Soviets still in Cuba with planes and technicians and so on. Even though the missiles are out, that would surely be unacceptable and put you in a worse position.”…

But, the president also continued to press for a deal on the Turkish missiles. Rusk, finally recognizing JFK’s determination, suggested that RFK advise the ambassador that a public quid pro quo for the missiles in Turkey was unacceptable, but the president was prepared to remove them once the Cuban crisis was resolved. The proposal was quickly accepted. Robert Kennedy was instructed to tell Dobrynin that any Soviet reference to this secret proposal would make it null and void.

The Cuban Missile Crisis Myth You Probably Believe

80 posted on 07/20/2005 10:46:04 PM PDT by Plutarch
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