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Education's Collateral Damage (NYT)
NYT ^ | 7/21/05 | Bob Herbert

Posted on 07/20/2005 8:15:22 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Stop the presses! Within just a few days we've had a scandal involving a world-class presidential guru bumped off the front pages by a prime-time presidential announcement of a nominee to the Supreme Court.

No one would argue that these aren't big stories. But an issue that is even more important to the long-term future of the U.S. gets very short shrift from the media. In an era when a college education is virtually a prerequisite for maintaining a middle-class lifestyle, an extraordinary number of American teenagers continue to head toward adulthood without even a high school diploma.

This is not a sexy issue, and certainly not as titillating for journalists as the political witchcraft that Karl Rove has used to enchant George W. Bush. But consider the following from the book "Dropouts in America: Confronting the Graduation Rate Crisis," a collection of essays edited by Gary Orfield, a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education:

"Nationally, only about two-thirds of all students - and only half of all blacks, Latinos and Native Americans - who enter ninth grade graduate with regular diplomas four years later."

In much of the nation, especially in urban and rural areas, the picture is even more dismal. In New York City, just 18 percent of all students graduate with a Regents diploma, which is the diploma generally required for admission to a four-year college. Only 9.4 percent of African-American students get a Regents diploma.

Over all, the United States has one of the highest high school dropout rates in the industrialized world, which can't be comforting news in the ferociously competitive environment of an increasingly globalized economy....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: news

1 posted on 07/20/2005 8:15:22 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

And what's even more alarming, Bob, is that there are many people who have paid thousands of dollars in tuition, spent four years taking courses, received a bachelor's degree, and still don't know anything.


2 posted on 07/20/2005 8:18:37 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I can give you one reason for this: too much homework. I'm now hearing stories of students doing three or even four hours of homework at night. It's creating burnout.


3 posted on 07/20/2005 8:20:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Mike DeWine for retirement, John Kasich for Senate)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"...the political witchcraft that Karl Rove has used to enchant George W. Bush."

Does the NYT have to put this kind of cr*p in EVERY unrelated article? (Or does he get around to blaming Bush for the dropout rate later in the article? I refuse to log on to read the rest of it, based on that phrase.)

4 posted on 07/20/2005 8:22:11 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: proxy_user
Yeah, but dontcha just love getting your fries served up by a Shakespeare-quoting burger flipper?
5 posted on 07/20/2005 8:22:38 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I bet he's still against vouchers too.


6 posted on 07/20/2005 8:23:04 PM PDT by CO Gal (Liberals should be seen, but not heard..)
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To: Clintonfatigued
That may be true in some cases. In my area, school violence is a huge problem. I know one kid that refused to go back to school after he was beaten up and robbed in the bathroom by gang members.

I don't know about you....but if that happened to me on the job, I'd quit!

7 posted on 07/20/2005 8:23:27 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: proxy_user
"Education inflicted upon weak minds does not improve them, and frequently is ruinous" [Francesco Guicciardini, Ricordi, ca. 1530]
“Concerning the advancement of learning, I do subscribe to the opinion… that, for grammar schools, there are already too many… the great number of schools which are in your Highness’s realm doth cause a want, and likewise an overthrow [surfeit] – both of them inconvenient and one of them dangerous; for by means thereof they find want in the country and towns, both of servants for husbandry and of apprentices for trade; and on the other side there being more Scholars bred than the State can prefer and employ… it must needs fall out that many persons will be bred unfit for other vocations and unprofitable for that in which they were bred up, which will fill the realm full of indigent, idle and wanton people…” [Francis Bacon, 1611 letter to James I]
8 posted on 07/20/2005 8:24:53 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Francis Bacon knew what was what!


9 posted on 07/20/2005 8:30:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: GSlob

Intelligent minds often ponder the fact that they are conquered by illiterate. [TC 2005]


10 posted on 07/20/2005 8:31:54 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (I take the Ginsburg)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Creating (with a few bright exceptions) a perpetual underclass of straight-ticket DNC voters. Yay. The NEA is right pleased with its self.


11 posted on 07/20/2005 8:38:58 PM PDT by somniferum
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To: somniferum

Most of the dropouts, and quite a few of the graduates, live with their boyfriends or girlfriends, and have one or more babies. The living arrangements may be permanent or transitory.


12 posted on 07/20/2005 8:45:29 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I'll be the first to complain about all that is wrong with our public schools, but I'm amazed that we import millions of uneducated 3rd world immigrants from south of the border and then set around and scratch our heads wondering why this percent or that percent of school children are failing.

When I was in high school, a small percent of students were failing. We had one security person who was also our gymn coach. Today, that same school is is a closed campus with its own mini police force. The gang members are in charge and only a small percent of students perform.

The local media and political hacks are all blaming the school for the students failure rate and screaming that only more money can solve the problem. Multiply this around the nation and it's not hard to see why kids are failing at the rate they are.


13 posted on 07/20/2005 9:00:06 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Why don't they talk about the American kids who are bumped out of good colleges by foreigners and illegals the colleges and Universities love to educate virtually free of charge.


14 posted on 07/20/2005 9:22:00 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: umgud
Lots of changes to society. My HS class's (500) families had almost no single mothers and very, very few working moms. Divorces were also extremely rare.

Teacher unions and Federal programs didn't exist and the graduation rate was over 98%. Only four girls became pregnant, a few accidental deaths, additional deaths due to illness but no shootings or stabbings.

Things have changed!

15 posted on 07/20/2005 9:28:08 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: GSlob
"...thereof they find want in the country and towns, both of servants for husbandry and of apprentices for trade; and on the other side there being more Scholars bred than the State can prefer and employ..."

Two points:
Bacon was right in that a good education in trades is necessary to society, and a good education in trades would cut the demand for illegal labor; because...
The basic premise in the original article is that a college education is necessary for middle class existence. And that is hogwash.

The guy who roto-roots my pipes makes more in a year than I do with a Master's. My friend who tends bar makes at least as much. Another friend gets by quite nicely just doing back yard mechanics based on voice references. I also work with a small fleet of law school grads, some who passed the bar, and none of whom are willing or able to practice.

The problem is that there is real big money to be made in the college business, teachers unions that need a growing system to sustain their power, and a deeply entrenched ego bias that says one MUST have a degree: even if it's in sports nutrition or aboriginal mythology.

And, to repeat, that's hogwash.

16 posted on 07/21/2005 7:00:51 AM PDT by STILL NORTON (don't ask, computer went down, name went away.)
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