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To: neverdem
before William McKinley, energetic imperialism; before Teddy Roosevelt, the cult of personality; before Bill Clinton, the personal made political.” Perhaps it is no accident that three of the four presidents in that rogues’ gallery were of Scots-Irish descent.

I thought Teddy Roosevelt was of dutch descent?

6 posted on 07/22/2005 11:53:13 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

He was. But had a lot of Scots-Irish blood.


10 posted on 07/22/2005 12:02:37 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: what's up

It looks like he's counting Jackson as one of the four. The funny thing is that TR was actually 3/4 Georgian and presumably Scots-Irish by ancestry. If you believe Webb, when TR "got his Dutch" up and became angry or aggressive, it may have been the Scots-Irish in him coming out. Fischer says about as much. FDR, by contrast was at least half New England Yankee.


13 posted on 07/22/2005 12:06:34 PM PDT by x
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To: what's up

Teddy was a heinz 57. There was Dutch on his father side that went back to the New Amsterdam days. But this is a very good article. I am of Ulster Irish (Catholic, though) decent on my father's side. Actually in Ireland at the time, the Presbyterians were not held in any high esteem and had to pay a tithe to the Anglican Church just as Catholics did. In the mid 1700's especially, the Sots-Irish came here in droves. The Celticness of these folks was probably greater than many of the Lowland Scots. There were Presbyterian congregations in County Antrim and County Down who spoke Gaelic. There was a lot of back and forth migration from Scotland and Ulster from before the Plantation of James the First---and the Reformation. Being second class citizens at home, America was the perfect place for the Scots-Irish. If it weren't for them I don't think the American Revolution would have gained momentum. For all the brillant philosophical ideas that came out of the Enlightenment and found their way to our shores, one needs anger and a sense of having been wronged to keep a war going. The Scots-Irish came over here p*ssed off to begin with, that's why they fought so gallantly against the Red Coats. Unfortunately on the other side of the Atlantic, at the time of the French Revolution and the Irish Rebellion of 1798, the British used religion to divide the people of Ireland. As in our revolution, the thinkers and theorists were from the upper middle class. In Ireland's case it was the Anglo-Irish who were the leaders (Wolfe Tone) and the Ulster Scots Presbyterians for the most part who did the fighting---the Catholics took up arms in the south around Wexford but for the most part stayed out of this rebellion because of the Roman Catholic Church's disdain of most ideas coming out of the enlightenment....ie; the idea of a republican form of government.


20 posted on 07/22/2005 12:22:37 PM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: what's up; potlatch; ntnychik


TR, FDR, and Eleanor (Eleanor was a distant cousin of TR) are decendants of Englishman Francis Cooke - who married Hester Mahieu in Amsterdam - and their son John Cooke

Others decendants are George HW Bush and George W Bush

Barbara Bush is decended from the English Spencers - making George W Bush related to both parents of Di and Charles -

The Cookes and Spencers were both part of the original Mayflower party -

The Bush family is also related to Clan MacLeod/McLeod, Dunvegan, Isle of Skye - which orginated in Scotland with Viking Leod the Black - of Norwegian royal blood - who married the daughter of a Danish knight - who gave the Isle of Skye to Leod the Black as a dowry -

John Kerry (Kohn) is also a distant cousin of George W Bush - but Kerry and his idiotic staff PRed his Frenchie ancestry - and blew the Mayflower and Brit royal bloodlines - which are obviously worth more votes than the French Connection - which was opposing us in Iraq! Kerry also promoted his Charlemagne ancestry - big deal - most Europeans after six generations are related to royals and more distantly related to Charlemagne!

Calvin Coolidge, Winston Churchill, Humphey Bogart, Marilyn Monroe, and John Alden are also in this "mix".

The currently living Roosevelts and Bushs are not listed on the genweb site - for obvious security and privacy reasons -

FDR is actually decended from three Mayflower ancestors. Guess somebody did some heavy research.


Funny side note - Kerry is distantly related to VP Dan Quayle!


http://whipple.org

I'm one of over 65,000+ on this genweb site - throw a dart and take a shot


- Incidentally - about 25% of American citizens have Mayflower roots - 85% of my HS and college classmate's surnames appear on whipple.org

That means many reading this will find some family surnames on this website


One being Oliver Colt - an ancestor of Col. Saml Colt - abt. 1550

http://genweb.whipple.org/d0074/I11222.html


73 posted on 07/22/2005 10:06:34 PM PDT by devolve (------- http://tinypic.com/90w1kw.gif ----------------------------------- 5 to the head - Buh Buh! -)
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To: what's up; Dan from Michigan; Irish_Thatcherite
All of the Roosevelts were/are.

To the consternation of many-for the most part, extremely conservative-Dutch-Americans.

Vernon Ehlers is another anomaly, if you ask me.

98 posted on 07/24/2005 12:25:12 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham
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