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Ex-CIA Officers Rip Bush Over Rove Leak
AP via Yahoo ^ | 07/22/2005 | DONNA DE LA CRUZ

Posted on 07/22/2005 1:59:59 PM PDT by zencat

Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of a CIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.

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1 posted on 07/22/2005 2:00:00 PM PDT by zencat
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To: zencat

Larry Johnson..Bush hater.

Next.


2 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:32 PM PDT by Shaka
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To: zencat

I guess they aren't aware that there is more news now. Rove is no longer a story, we have a new Supreme Court nominee, and terrorism in London.


3 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:40 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: zencat

B.S.


4 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:40 PM PDT by brivette
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To: zencat

Oh, the ones that set us up for 9/11?


5 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:44 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: zencat

Just curious... Were any of these guys responsible for screwing up the Iraq intel?


6 posted on 07/22/2005 2:01:58 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: zencat

Make a list, find their acolytes still working in CIA, then fire them.

These are the weasels that think *they* make foreign policy, no matter what the constitution says.


7 posted on 07/22/2005 2:04:40 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: zencat
Someone please tell this lugnut that Rove has not been:
  1. Indicited, or
  2. Tried, or
  3. Convicted

...of ANYTHING...except for maybe being involved in beating the living crap out of Democrats in multiple elections.

And please advise this moron that if he continues ragging on the President while collecting a paycheck derived from MY TAXES, I will gladly advise the Inspector General of his wanton abuse of government resources by using his station to advance his political inclinations!

8 posted on 07/22/2005 2:04:44 PM PDT by Prime Choice (Thanks to the Leftists, yesterday's deviants are today's "alternate lifestyles.")
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To: zencat

More Klintoon legacy???


9 posted on 07/22/2005 2:05:01 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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To: nuffsenuff
Valerie Plame was in charge of info on WMD! Wow...she's REALLY good now, isn't she.../Sarcasm

Actually NONE of these people seemed to have done a good job.

10 posted on 07/22/2005 2:05:47 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: All

You can wipe that story off Yahoos front page, simply one star it when you read it and it will go away.


11 posted on 07/22/2005 2:05:52 PM PDT by USAFJeeper
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To: nuffsenuff
These were probably the ones who tried but failed to sabotage Bush's re-election and were then fired by Porter Goss in November. Hence, "Ex-CIA".
12 posted on 07/22/2005 2:06:07 PM PDT by Ides of March (Beware.)
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To: zencat

Hearings held by SINate And House Dimocrats says it all. The so-called intelligence officers should have checked their intelligence before making such incompetent statements, I guess that's why they are former intelligence officers.


13 posted on 07/22/2005 2:06:22 PM PDT by walangkatapat
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To: zencat

I wonder if it was President Bush's decision to clean up the CIA that caused these people to become "Ex-CIA officers" and "former" CIA officers.


14 posted on 07/22/2005 2:06:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: zencat

Hey, all you CIA employees:

ENJOY WORKING AT BURGER KING WHEN BUSH PULLS YOUR FREAKING PLUG!

Excuse me. Had to vent.

CIA got my dad killed.


15 posted on 07/22/2005 2:07:09 PM PDT by noblejones
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To: TommyDale

The Supreme Court nominee is the exact reason why Rove is still a story.


16 posted on 07/22/2005 2:07:29 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: zencat

Does anyone other than the LameStream Press care what these guys think?


17 posted on 07/22/2005 2:07:48 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: zencat
I just love how the Left is idolizing the CIA. Normally they hate spooks. But if there's a chance to bring down Bush, why, they'll sleep with the devil to get it done.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
18 posted on 07/22/2005 2:08:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: USAFJeeper

Cable and internet are trying desperately to put it back on as a top story. See more on MSNBC than any.


19 posted on 07/22/2005 2:08:23 PM PDT by newconhere
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To: Ides of March

Sounds like it.


20 posted on 07/22/2005 2:08:32 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Shaka
Ok, Larry...I'll call an ugly dog an ugly dog! HeyLarry, you're an ugly dog!!

Is Larry Johnson a Pat Bushanan Republican?

21 posted on 07/22/2005 2:09:00 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: zencat
Donald Lambro of the Washington Times says the supposed Karl Rove controversy was merely a summer "tall tale" to fill the media gap, noting Ambassador Joe Wilson’s fleeting credibility.

Tod Lindberg writing for the Washington Times says the Plame controversy doesn’t amount to much in the long term, noting a dearth of information on the Web and in the papers but little significance.

22 posted on 07/22/2005 2:09:24 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: zencat

Another Klinton holdover?


23 posted on 07/22/2005 2:09:33 PM PDT by LuigiBasco (It's LOOOOOONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for))
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To: zencat
What, if anything, were these idiots saying when clinton sold the Chinese the damn technology we are now being threatened with!!!!!

And did they say ANYTHING at all when clinton made sure our intelligence was cut off at the knees!?!?!? They don't seem to want to say anything about how they gave Bush bad intelligence about WMD, do they? Maybe because it WASN'T bad intelligence!

Well then, do you hear them say, hey, the intelligence is good, leave Bush alone? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
24 posted on 07/22/2005 2:09:58 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: zencat

They want to get Rove punished before the grand jury is finished and the real story comes out. The big question is: Who is Judith Miller protecting?


25 posted on 07/22/2005 2:11:07 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: goldstategop

They still hate the CIA. They just are in love with a couple of dumbasses who hate Bush.


26 posted on 07/22/2005 2:11:31 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: zencat; All
Valerie Plame Undercover Since She was 10 years old?

" Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2003 9:43 a.m. EDT

Valerie Plame Undercover Since She was 10 years old?

Former CIA agent Larry Johnson told PBS's "The News Hour" last night that Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, had been operating undercover for "three decades."

The Washington Post, however, says that Ms. Plame is an attractive, slim blonde with film star looks who happens to be just 40 years old.

If both accounts are true, that means Plame was placed undercover by the CIA when she was just 10 years old.

Either Mr. Wilson has been caught fibbing again, this time about his wife's age, or Mr. Johnson needs to update his chronology....."

27 posted on 07/22/2005 2:11:36 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: AmishDude

Answer: One of three people.

Cooper's wife.
Wilson himself.
Tim Russert.


28 posted on 07/22/2005 2:12:05 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: zencat

These are the guys that didn't know about 911, didn't know about Libya's nuclear program, didn't know France was on the take, didn't know Bin Ladin was in bed with Saddam. Swore there were WMD in Iraq but don't know where they went. Don't know where Khaddafi got his uranium.

But they are sure that we'd be better off if we let them pick our next president.


29 posted on 07/22/2005 2:12:50 PM PDT by marron
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Howlin; Mo1

LOL!


30 posted on 07/22/2005 2:12:57 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: zencat

Gee, too bad these buys weren't nearly as concerned when Kerry outted a CIA agent this year. The list of DNC transgressions in this regard is a looong one. But these guy didn't say a peep.

A partial list is here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1445413/posts


31 posted on 07/22/2005 2:14:23 PM PDT by Peach
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To: AmishDude
Who is Judith Miller protecting?

Wilson (Who got the classified WMD and Yellow cake info from plame and passed it on).

We should take "bets" to see who called it. LOL

32 posted on 07/22/2005 2:17:09 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Fuzzy math.


33 posted on 07/22/2005 2:17:54 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: zencat
Are these the same left-wing democrats who allowed OBL to attack the United States and kill thousands of people? They had the opportunity to take OBL out and did not. The first attack occurred in:

April 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people.

September 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed.

December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait.

September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy.

April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed.

1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

Then came September 11 and we had a President that did something and the CIA was reorganized as the 9/11 commission wanted to know what the hell the CIA was doing all this time? What were they doing while we were being attacked around the world? NOTHING.
34 posted on 07/22/2005 2:18:33 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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Separated at birth:


35 posted on 07/22/2005 2:19:35 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: zencat

For puter whizs, you might pull up a thread by a Sam Hill here on FR a few days ago for story written by Johnson. From the NYT no less.


37 posted on 07/22/2005 2:22:41 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Film star looks? The people at the Washington Compost don't get out much, do they? Why is the lamestream media so intent on making Valerie Lame out to be the second coming of Marilyn Monroe or Grace Kelly? To punch up a really dumb, going-nowhere story?


38 posted on 07/22/2005 2:26:02 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: YOUGOTIT
September 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed.

23 October 1983

39 posted on 07/22/2005 2:26:37 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I wonder if it was President Bush's decision to clean up the CIA that caused these people to become "Ex-CIA officers" and "former" CIA officers.

Yes and it also caused them to concoct this whole scheme to take the President down.

If Joe diGenova is right, and I suspect he is, the federal investigation into the disclosure of the identity of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame should never have happened.

“My views are stronger than ever,” the former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia said Monday when asked about the white-hot controversy that has sent a New York Times reporter to jail, changed the rules of investigative journalism and now threatens to envelop the White House in a major crisis. “This investigation never should have started because it’s apparent that no crime was ever committed.” “The only way an investigation can begin is if the agency swears — swears — that it took every conceivable step to protect this person’s identity.”

For example, the CIA had to answer 11 specific questions about what steps it took to protect the identity of a covert agent. But diGenova questions whether some of the information the CIA provided the Justice Department on those 11 questions “was materially false.”

In addition, he pointed out that the CIA paid for Wilson’s trip, didn’t ask him to sign a confidentiality agreement, didn’t object to his writing the op-ed article in the Times and allowed him to conduct TV interviews and to appear in a photo with his wife in Vanity Fair, he noted.

“The CIA isn’t stupid,” he said. “They wanted this story out. I’m raising the question: Did the CIA mislead Fitzgerald?”

The Hill

Hold on to your hat. The plot is about to thicken.

Behind the scenes, the single most important reason for the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson farce is that CIA Director Porter Goss has finally started to clean house at Langley. Goss's long-overdue shake-up is clearly backed by the White House, the top levels of the Pentagon and State Department, and the new National Director of Intelligence, John Negroponte.

Judging by Director Goss's remarks at his Senate confirmation hearings, those whose jobs are most in danger include the CIA "experts" in WMD proliferation – Valerie Plame's outfit – who completely failed to anticipate the Indian and Pakistani nukes, and just couldn't figure out what was going on with Iraqi WMDs. Valerie Plame's bosses are facing the axe for decades of failures.

And it's about time, because Iran is within sight of its first nukes. You don't suppose that has anything to do with the Plame/Wilson publicity stunt, do you?

The farcical Plame/Wilson assault on Karl Rove is a shot across the bow of the White House. The spook bureaucracy is fighting for its perks, hand-in-hand with the Democrats and the media. This is exactly the same iron triangle that destroyed Richard Nixon. [My comment: Hence all the sudden media hype about Watergate]

Valerie Plame's CIA bosses took care not to ask Mr. Wilson to sign a confidentiality agreement, routine in such cases, almost as if they wanted him to make a public fuss. They were not surprised, one might think, when Mr. Wilson promptly took his story to New York Times Op-Ed Editor Gail Collins, one of the great Bush-haters of all time.

The farcical "outing" of Valerie Plame therefore raises a genuinely frightening monster from the swamp: A subversive alliance between the intelligence bureaucracy, the Democratic Party and the media. The common thread among all the characters in this low-brow comedy is hatred of President Bush and American power. Joe Wilson's eyebrows go ballistic when he talks about the White House. Just watch him sometime.

It was a publicity stunt from the get-go. Wilson's "confidential trip" to Niger gave him the superficial credentials to publish his "expose" in the Times. He'd gone there, talked to the top officials face to face, and by gum, they told him it was all a lie! Not even Gail Collins could possibly believe this banana sauce, but Wilson's charges provided a useful stick with which to beat the White House.

American Thinker

According to Goss' supporters, the agency has been out of control, recently leaking negative stories to the press to undermine the White House.

"The CIA has got to be kept out of partisan politics," said Stansfield Turner, who was CIA director under President Carter. "And it appears that they were leaking information to influence the election. Porter Goss has now got a difficult problem."

ABC News

Even the moonbats got that part right:

Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?

The real reasons, contrary to the saturation spin being put out by major news outlets, have nothing to do with Tenet's role as taking the fall for alleged 9/11 and Iraqi intelligence “failures” before the upcoming presidential election.

Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency. The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown. Shortly after the “surprise” Tenet-Pavitt resignations, current and former senior members of the U.S. intelligence community and the Justice Department told journalist Wayne Madsen, a former Naval intelligence officer, that they were directly connected to the criminal investigation of a 2003 White House leak that openly exposed Valerie Plame as an undercover CIA officer.

Seymour Hersh dropped a major bombshell that went virtually unnoticed, 54 paragraphs deep into an October 27, 2003 story for the New Yorker titled “The Stovepipe.”

“Who produced the fake Niger papers? There is nothing approaching a consensus on this question within the intelligence community. There has been published speculation about the intelligence services of several different countries. One theory, favored by some journalists in Rome, is that [the Italian intelligence service] Sismi produced the false documents and passed them to Panorama for publication.

“Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, 'Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.'

He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.”

Source

Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.” He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.

“The agency guys were so pissed at Cheney,” the former officer said. “They said, ‘O.K, we’re going to put the bite on these guys.’ ” My source said that he was first told of the fabrication late last year, at one of the many holiday gatherings in the Washington area of past and present C.I.A. officials. “Everyone was bragging about it—‘Here’s what we did. It was cool, cool, cool.’ ” These retirees, he said, had superb contacts among current officers in the agency and were informed in detail of the sismi intelligence.

“They thought that, with this crowd, it was the only way to go—to nail these guys who were not practicing good tradecraft and vetting intelligence,” my source said. “They thought it’d be bought at lower levels—a big bluff.” The thinking, he said, was that the documents would be endorsed by Iraq hawks at the top of the Bush Administration, who would be unable to resist flaunting them at a press conference or an interagency government meeting. They would then look foolish when intelligence officials pointed out that they were obvious fakes. But the tactic backfired, he said, when the papers won widespread acceptance within the Administration. “It got out of control.”

Like all large institutions, C.I.A. headquarters, in Langley, Virginia, is full of water-cooler gossip, and a retired clandestine officer told me this summer that the story about a former operations officer faking the documents is making the rounds. “What’s telling,” he added, “is that the story, whether it’s true or not, is believed”—an extraordinary commentary on the level of mistrust, bitterness, and demoralization within the C.I.A. under the Bush Administration. (William Harlow, the C.I.A. spokesman, said that the agency had no more evidence that former members of the C.I.A. had forged the documents “than we have that they were forged by Mr. Hersh.”)

The F.B.I. has been investigating the forgery at the request of the Senate Intelligence Committee. A senior F.B.I. official told me that the possibility that the documents were falsified by someone inside the American intelligence community had not been ruled out. “This story could go several directions,” he said. “We haven’t gotten anything solid, and we’ve looked.” He said that the F.B.I. agents assigned to the case are putting a great deal of effort into the investigation. But “somebody’s hiding something, and they’re hiding it pretty well.”

New Yorker


40 posted on 07/22/2005 2:28:39 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: concerned about politics

I tend to agree. Wilson couldn't keep a secret if his life depended on it.


41 posted on 07/22/2005 2:31:55 PM PDT by AmishDude (Once you go black hat, you never go back.)
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To: nuffsenuff

YUP


42 posted on 07/22/2005 2:35:27 PM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: zencat

Partisan Demorats in the CIA? Who would have thunk it?


43 posted on 07/22/2005 2:35:44 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: ravingnutter
Just goes to show ya, the Liberals will do anything to bring the country down. I certainly hope that this is being investigated and the retired officers as well as the active officers are brought down.

President Bush should move as fast as he can to get the people out of the CIA that would be a part of a plot like this.

As far as I am concerned these people are as much a threat to this country as the terrorists.

44 posted on 07/22/2005 2:49:52 PM PDT by depenzz
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To: AmishDude

Tim Russert.


45 posted on 07/22/2005 2:50:53 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: zencat

I guess that it was alright for these people that an obvious anti-Bush "covert" (ha,ha) operative like Valerie Plame to send her lying, incompetent equally anti-Bush husband to Africa to file a bogus report. They have no problem with that. This incident proves that both Wilson and Plame are scoundrels of the first rank. And probably many of the agents named in this article who are trying to get Bush.


46 posted on 07/22/2005 2:52:21 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: zencat

Bad Rove. Bad Rove.

There, he's been disciplined. Next issue?


47 posted on 07/22/2005 2:53:01 PM PDT by lp boonie (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: zencat

I guess that it was alright for these people that an obvious anti-Bush "covert" (ha,ha) operative like Valerie Plame to send her lying, incompetent equally anti-Bush husband to Africa to file a bogus report. They have no problem with that. This incident proves that both Wilson and Plame are scoundrels of the first rank. And probably many of the agents named in this article who are trying to get Bush.


48 posted on 07/22/2005 2:53:55 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: zencat

Are these clowns back again? They never give up, do they? Maybe if they had given as much attention to their CIA jobs as they do to trashing the Bush Administration, which they obviously dislike, they wouldn't be "former" CIA agents.


49 posted on 07/22/2005 3:02:22 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: SmithL

Yes, Larry Johnson was the one who wrote the article saying that the fear of terrorism was exaggerated - in July, 2001. They're trying to destroy the Bush Administration's credibility, because they have none themselves.


50 posted on 07/22/2005 3:04:06 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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