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ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...
US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:05:56 AM PDT by Wolfstar

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To: ohioWfan; snugs; MadIvan; ozbushkin
...(and for use as club against any numbskull who tries to say that ANY terrorism is our President's fault).

Thanks OWF. That's one of the BIG points of this list. I was motivated to do it by the absolutely insulting questions British PM Tony Blair had to endure the other day, and by the superb, very brave answer by Australian PM John Howard.

41 posted on 07/24/2005 10:55:21 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: JCEccles

Thanks for the link. I'll look into it.


42 posted on 07/24/2005 10:56:16 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Nice work there, kiddo. You write well. It is much appreciated.


43 posted on 07/24/2005 11:01:13 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Wolfstar

We know that radical muslims would not hestitate to use nuclear weapons (their mass murder of innocents on 9-11 has shown us that). I have little doubt that our own leaders WOULD hesitate to use such weapons even after an attack.


44 posted on 07/24/2005 11:02:26 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar

Not one of these attacks was done by a blue-haired senior lady from Iowa....but NY is going to check only her packages.


45 posted on 07/24/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: cwb
Islam's anger with the West didn't just start in the last century...and it certainly didn't have anything to do with oil, or even Israel, for that matter.

Brilliant analysis, CWB. Thanks for posting it on this thread. Your statement I quoted above is critical. For far too long, we have lulled ourselves into complacency by thinking it's a war only between Israel and the "Palestinians." Even a few early responses on this thread fell into that trap.

However, as you so correctly point out, this is a much older, much more insidious war waged by those who adhere to an expansionist ideology.

46 posted on 07/24/2005 11:03:51 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar
...we need to stop seeing terrorist attacks as independent crimes. We need to stop fooling ourselves that any action on our part caused any of these attacks. Rather, we need to see them as operations in one long, sustained, worldwide campaign by jihadists against the "infidel." And we need to help educate other Americans to the peril we all face. The purpose of this list is to help us begin to do so.

I couldn't agree more.

And the next time one of us hears a leftist say or write that the war in Iraq has made other country's more vulnterable to terrorist attacks, we should write/call and remind them of Prime Minister Howard's words the other day:

Can I just say very directly, Paul, on the issue of the policies of my government and indeed the policies of the British and American governments on Iraq, that the first point of reference is that once a country allows its foreign policy to be determined by terrorism, it's given the game away, to use the vernacular. And no Australian government that I lead will ever have policies determined by terrorism or terrorist threats, and no self-respecting government of any political stripe in Australia would allow that to happen.

Can I remind you that the murder of 88 Australians in Bali took place before the operation in Iraq.

And I remind you that the 11th of September occurred before the operation in Iraq.

Can I also remind you that the very first occasion that bin Laden specifically referred to Australia was in the context of Australia's involvement in liberating the people of East Timor. Are people by implication suggesting we shouldn't have done that?

When a group claimed responsibility on the website for the attacks on the 7th of July, they talked about British policy not just in Iraq, but in Afghanistan. Are people suggesting we shouldn't be in Afghanistan?

When Sergio de Mello was murdered in Iraq -- a brave man, a distinguished international diplomat, a person immensely respected for his work in the United Nations -- when al Qaeda gloated about that, they referred specifically to the role that de Mello had carried out in East Timor because he was the United Nations administrator in East Timor.

Now I don't know the mind of the terrorists. By definition, you can't put yourself in the mind of a successful suicide bomber. I can only look at objective facts, and the objective facts are as I've cited. The objective evidence is that Australia was a terrorist target long before the operation in Iraq. And indeed, all the evidence, as distinct from the suppositions, suggests to me that this is about hatred of a way of life, this is about the perverted use of principles of the great world religion that, at its root, preaches peace and cooperation. And I think we lose sight of the challenge we have if we allow ourselves to see these attacks in the context of particular circumstances rather than the abuse through a perverted ideology of people and their murder.

47 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:04 AM PDT by Peach
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To: cwb

There is no liberal logic. Only lies to push through an agenda.


48 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:09 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar; ozbushkin
Aussie PM John Howard did us proud I was Tony Blair had been less PC though. This supposed talking with Islamic groups is not going to help one little bit.
49 posted on 07/24/2005 11:04:41 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: varon

If there is no pressure from the public to recreate the Civil Defense Corps (by whatever name), the government certainly won't do anything to involve the public.


50 posted on 07/24/2005 11:05:43 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Please send this to Hugh Hewitt.


51 posted on 07/24/2005 11:06:01 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: Bahbah

Thanks, Bahbah. Ammunition against those who keep insisting it's Bush's or Blair's fault.


52 posted on 07/24/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Yes, we are in a world war and YES we need to start racially profiling, YES, YES, YES we do. If these attacks were being done by white males you can bet your bippy profiling would be going on.


53 posted on 07/24/2005 11:08:28 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (What do you like best about your life?)
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To: rockabyebaby

Here here


54 posted on 07/24/2005 11:09:15 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: weegee
I have little doubt that our own leaders WOULD hesitate to use such weapons even after an attack.

I agree. They'd wring their hands while those who've made common cause with the jihadists urge "understanding for the root causes."

55 posted on 07/24/2005 11:09:30 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Wolf , Could you add me to your PING lists as well ?


Many thanks


56 posted on 07/24/2005 11:09:33 AM PDT by Officer and a Gentleman
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To: stylin19a
Not one of these attacks was done by a blue-haired senior lady from Iowa....but NY is going to check only her packages.

Ridiculous, isn't it.

57 posted on 07/24/2005 11:11:13 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Wolfstar

Thanks for letting me piggy-back on your excellent post. It seemed like the perfect place to expand on Islam's history...and expose the fraud that is liberalism.


58 posted on 07/24/2005 11:11:43 AM PDT by cwb (Liberal guilt is digging our graves.)
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To: Wolfstar

Warn them before the drop but taking Mecca off the map would be a start.

Let's see them "Move On" after that.


59 posted on 07/24/2005 11:12:08 AM PDT by weegee (The blame on Plame is mainly that it's lame . . . - END THE ROVEBAITING NOW!)
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To: Wolfstar
I submit to you that more casualties are committed in the U.S. by illegal Mexicans than by people from any other country.

I see Muslims as a minor threat in comparison.

60 posted on 07/24/2005 11:13:56 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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