Skip to comments.All Quiet on the Home Front, and Some Soldiers Are Asking Why
Posted on 07/24/2005 1:37:50 PM PDT by lowbridge
The Bush administration's rallying call that America is a nation at war is increasingly ringing hollow to men and women in uniform, who argue in frustration that America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war.
From bases in Iraq and across the United States to the Pentagon and the military's war colleges, officers and enlisted personnel quietly raise a question for political leaders: if America is truly on a war footing, why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large?
There is no serious talk of a draft to share the burden of fighting across the broad citizenry, and neither Republicans nor Democrats are pressing for a tax increase to force Americans to cover the $5 billion a month in costs from Iraq, Afghanistan and new counterterrorism missions.
There are not even concerted efforts like the savings-bond drives or gasoline rationing that helped to unite the country behind its fighting forces in wars past.
"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq, voicing a frustration now drawing the attention of academic specialists in military sociology.
Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States.
Charles Moskos, a professor emeritus at Northwestern University specializing in military sociology, said: "My terminology for it is 'patriotism lite,' and that's what we're experiencing now in both political parties.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
More pus from the chancre
One can always count on the bastards at the New York Slimes, to pick at scabs...
I wonder if they eat them?
What award should the NY Times get for its contribution to the war effort? Perhaps an autographed picture of bin Laden.
And what sacrifice are the NYT bathhouse boys giving?
Ugh! As IF anyone at the Slimes gives a rats behind about the ones on the front line.
They never, never pass up a chance.
This is the best the syphillitic old grey whore can produce.
Pus from the Shanker.
Anonymous hand wringing from some pampered junior officer.
If the Slimes would try writing 1 (just 1!) positive story about what's going on in Iraq, then maybe -just maybe- they wouldn't be the doomsayers that they are.
And you don't even know if he really exists.
When hell freezes over.
This plays right into your thread today.
The reason it seems just the military is on a war footing and not the rest of the country, is because the left and their allies in the media are doing everything they can denigrate the military and their efforts..
Ahhhhhh, more "anonymous sources" from the NYT. The last thing a soldier in today's military would want is a draft. They take considerable pride in the fact that it's an all volunteer military and therefore the quality is far superior to what a draft military would be.
Flashbacks of when I returned from Nam.
Shanker/Chancre, same thing.
Academic specialists in military sociology are interested? Man, this IS a pressing concern. Must be fifty people intensely thinking about this in academia.
I find it very, very difficult to believe that our brave soldiers are on duty and getting pissed off thinking "Why aren't my parents paying higher taxes, in addition to the burden of me not being there? Why are Americans going on with their lives as normally as they can--I want them to suffer!"
This is a liberal agenda puff piece hiding in the shadows of some angry individuals and pretending to show "concern" for our fighting forces. I am sure some feel as described in the article, but there are as many different emotions and reactions in the military as anywhere else in our society.
So when will the NYT write a piece about how many more Americans than these are concerned about the anti-American attitude of democrats? "Why are they calling our people Nazis? Why aren't they cutting their pork barrel projects to pay for the war?"
Actually, the liberal news media is in all-out war mode.......to undermined the morale of the U.S. Home Front.
Josef Goebbels could only dream of such a thing.
My brother is almost 44,married app twenty years,has a lovely wife and three lovely daughters,and is now in Iraq,having volunteered to return to full-time active duty in order to go. He's only one guy,but I can assure this wad of puss that my brother was NOT thinking "Damn it's so unfair that I'm going to that hot dangerous hell hole on behalf of my country,but my family gets to stay home and be comfortable and live it up while I do so".And I would think that he's fairly representative.I know he is of the guys in his unit.This POS writer chooses to ignore that we have a volunteer military,and that the right-minded section of America whole-heartedly supports them,and that their families ARE making sacrifices just by their being there,just for starters. What a hypocritical worthless waste of breath he is,as if he supports the troops and gives a hoot in hell about them.He'd like to sow dissension,as IF they're not smart enough to take with a grain of salt any phony "concern" coming from someone like him,who could care less about the welfare of our military.
Well, the NYT and its ilk have had a lot to do with making people feel distant from or even ashamed of the war. Who better than the Times to now write an article pretending to be "concerned" about having achieved their goal?
This, from the same idiots who ridicule displays of patriotism, despise flying the U.S. flag, or go bonkers at the sound of "God Bless America"!
This, from the media who decided not to show photos/video from 9/11 ever again because it would just agitate the masses and upset the Muslims.
This, from libs who don't want military recruiters at schools and colleges.
Concerted effort? Haven't they noticed the security checks we all have to go through at airports (and now at some trains/subways)?
Saving aluminum foil and growing victory gardens is not what the country needs to do.
What the NYT needs to do is get out of NYC once in a while, where the elite chattering classes are NOT united with our troops, and travel to some red states/counties, where we've never wavered.
Do you have a family member over their, roses?
And some soldiers are asking The NewYork Times is still in existence.
They fight for their own freedom of speech too.
And frankly, they have a point. Shooting the messenger is a "liberal" tactic. So it's printed in the NYT instead of Soldier of Fortune magazine. A point is a point is a point, and is either valid or invalid or somewhere in between.
more Slimes draft noise
...this is one Freeper who has spent much of his time since the Attacks of September 11, 2001 supporting our Hero U.S. Military members' bringing Freedom to the opproessed Peoples and cultures of the world ...as our own best self protection against future terrorist attacks here at home.
...this is one Freeper who incessantly applauds our U.S. Military's sacrificing their all on behalf of others worldwide.
...this is one Freeper who has also sacrificed some to be able to do so, mostly full time, on line.
....But there is one of us supporters who has sacrificed much, much more.
England's new KING ARTHUR
America's new Hero for the new Mellennium
911 Lifesaving Hero RICK RESCORLA
...just for the LOVE of it.
Ok, when pigs fly. :-)
"Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States. All were carefully screened so that the views they expressed would jibe with the story we wanted to write."
Because Sacrific begets Sacrafice:
MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-
It is precisely because our military is at war over there that America isn't at war over here.
ALOHA RONNIE Freeper Page
...just for the LOVE of it.
Thanks for the ping, Peach. They're right, of course. As much as I admire them, President Bush and Prime Ministers Blair and Howard keep telling the general public to get on with their lives. I understand what they mean, but unfortunately there's an unintentional consequence. People not only go on with their lives, but they become psychologically distant from the war effort.
The authorities simply cannot be everywhere. It's vital to enlist thie public's help today just as every earlier generation did in times of war from the Revolution forward.
Well we can thank the presstitutes of the msm for not cheering our troops on. We are. Most FReepers know what these men and women are doing, but not the presstitutes and their bosses. But then these numbskulls have little use for the men and women who allow them the privilege of writing scathing reports about the military's sacrifices. I imagine if Thom Shanker visited Iraq or Afphanistan he would only write about the things not done for these people, or report only the death count.
A combat veteran of Vietnam I know is no conservative; he said that whatever the flaws and problems he could point out about Bush post 9-11, he did not hesitate for one second to vote for him last time. Anyway, he tells me that he knows from experience what stories relating to the military to ignore as the work of people who have zero clue about the genuine concerns of the military, and simply twist the same complaining we all do at our non-military jobs into whatever fits their particular point of view.
It does amuse me, however, how the NYT is so concerned about the rest of us not "suffering" enough. Shades of the great Vonnegut short story "Harrison Bergeron."
It is vitally important and there are many ways we could all be involved. I wish the government would at least appoint someone within each state to work with citizens to get involved.
I think I'll write our Governor Sanford and see if there is something he can suggest.
......and exactly,....what is,.... the 'Internationale' Anthem... of the 'ACLU'....?
/truth and 'patriot'....ism?
That's a good idea. I think I'll write my own governor. The states don't need to wait for the feds before setting up civil defense programs.
"Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States."
Members of the NY Times staff who discussed their sense of frustration with the Old Grey Lib-Whore did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the Times editorial policy could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with Times writers, section editors, midlevel stringers, and Op-Ed writers.
Amazing how that works, huh?
Members of Congress
Governors of States and
Presidents of the United States
...all support our Freedom Fighting Heroes, and say so, in the inspiring book titled:
'MODERN DAY HEROES: In Defense of America'
...by Pete Mitchell & Bill Perkins
Hit: 'Resource Center'
Hit: 'Aloha Ronnie'
Thank you:) My brother feels like he's just putting his money where his mouth is. He's very proud that his oldest daughter will be going to West Point.
I haven't read that story,but I think I understand what the gist must be.I'll find and read it.
That stupid writer would(and probably has been)the first to raise the hue and cry if the WOT WAS affecting the home front any more than it has. And most likely being at a far distance from actually knowing any troops or their families,HTH does he have any clue as to what sacrifices they are making,or what Americans in general would do if the neccesity presented itself? It's pretty unfair to judge America generally by his socialist anti-American circles.I believe that if we were called upon,there might be some grumbling(hey we're Americans,that's our God-given right:)),but we would come through-maybe HE wouldn't,he would know best about that.
Thanks for the links, I'm looking at some now,and bookmarking them.
When people get quiet they are THINKING. London did a number on a lot of peoples minds.