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All Quiet on the Home Front, and Some Soldiers Are Asking Why
NY Slimes ^ | 7/24/05 | THOM SHANKER

Posted on 07/24/2005 1:37:50 PM PDT by lowbridge

The Bush administration's rallying call that America is a nation at war is increasingly ringing hollow to men and women in uniform, who argue in frustration that America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war.

From bases in Iraq and across the United States to the Pentagon and the military's war colleges, officers and enlisted personnel quietly raise a question for political leaders: if America is truly on a war footing, why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large?

There is no serious talk of a draft to share the burden of fighting across the broad citizenry, and neither Republicans nor Democrats are pressing for a tax increase to force Americans to cover the $5 billion a month in costs from Iraq, Afghanistan and new counterterrorism missions.

There are not even concerted efforts like the savings-bond drives or gasoline rationing that helped to unite the country behind its fighting forces in wars past.

"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq, voicing a frustration now drawing the attention of academic specialists in military sociology.

Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States.

Charles Moskos, a professor emeritus at Northwestern University specializing in military sociology, said: "My terminology for it is 'patriotism lite,' and that's what we're experiencing now in both political parties.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: americahate; leftisthatemachine; nytimes; shanker; thomshanker
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1 posted on 07/24/2005 1:37:51 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

More pus from the chancre


2 posted on 07/24/2005 1:39:12 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: lowbridge

One can always count on the bastards at the New York Slimes, to pick at scabs...
I wonder if they eat them?

Semper Fi


3 posted on 07/24/2005 1:40:30 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: lowbridge

What award should the NY Times get for its contribution to the war effort? Perhaps an autographed picture of bin Laden.


4 posted on 07/24/2005 1:41:03 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: river rat

And what sacrifice are the NYT bathhouse boys giving?


5 posted on 07/24/2005 1:41:43 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: lowbridge

Ugh! As IF anyone at the Slimes gives a rats behind about the ones on the front line.


6 posted on 07/24/2005 1:41:58 PM PDT by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: lowbridge
"Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq, voicing a frustration now drawing the attention of academic specialists in military sociology."

He's right. There is not enough cheering from the sidelines. Not enough bed sheets slung out the window painted broadly with "Welcome Home Billy!" when one of "Ours" makes it home safely.

Markedman
7 posted on 07/24/2005 1:42:05 PM PDT by markedman (Lay me down to a watery grave)
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To: river rat

They never, never pass up a chance.


8 posted on 07/24/2005 1:42:11 PM PDT by dighton
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To: river rat

This is the best the syphillitic old grey whore can produce.
Pus from the Shanker.


Anonymous hand wringing from some pampered junior officer.


9 posted on 07/24/2005 1:42:45 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles (mainstream extremist (Ha))
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To: lowbridge
Thom Shanker has Roids..............
10 posted on 07/24/2005 1:43:01 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Bong Hits, Fraggle Rock Reruns and DU is no way to go through Life....)
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To: lowbridge
Our servicemen (and women) might feel that way, but it is only because of the ridiculous behavior on part of the demoCREEPs and their sympathetic and pathetic friends in the media.

If the Slimes would try writing 1 (just 1!) positive story about what's going on in Iraq, then maybe -just maybe- they wouldn't be the doomsayers that they are.

11 posted on 07/24/2005 1:43:25 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Anonymous hand wringing from some pampered junior officer.

And you don't even know if he really exists.

12 posted on 07/24/2005 1:43:48 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: lowbridge
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...

When hell freezes over.

13 posted on 07/24/2005 1:44:22 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Wolfstar

This plays right into your thread today.


14 posted on 07/24/2005 1:45:45 PM PDT by Peach
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To: lowbridge

The reason it seems just the military is on a war footing and not the rest of the country, is because the left and their allies in the media are doing everything they can denigrate the military and their efforts..


15 posted on 07/24/2005 1:46:44 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Definition of Insanity- Political Correctness when applied in the War on Terror..)
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To: roses of sharon
Certainly not joining the military for fear that they would leave their buddies behind.
16 posted on 07/24/2005 1:48:13 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: lowbridge

Ahhhhhh, more "anonymous sources" from the NYT. The last thing a soldier in today's military would want is a draft. They take considerable pride in the fact that it's an all volunteer military and therefore the quality is far superior to what a draft military would be.


17 posted on 07/24/2005 1:48:49 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: markedman

Flashbacks of when I returned from Nam.


18 posted on 07/24/2005 1:49:34 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: lowbridge

Shanker/Chancre, same thing.


19 posted on 07/24/2005 1:50:35 PM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: lowbridge
why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large? There is no serious talk of a draft to share the burden of fighting across the broad citizenry, and neither Republicans nor Democrats are pressing for a tax increase to force Americans to cover the $5 billion a month in costs from Iraq, Afghanistan and new counterterrorism missions. There are not even concerted efforts like the savings-bond drives or gasoline rationing that helped to unite the country behind its fighting forces in wars past. "Nobody in America is asked to sacrifice, except us," said one officer just back from a yearlong tour in Iraq, voicing a frustration now drawing the attention of academic specialists in military sociology.

Academic specialists in military sociology are interested? Man, this IS a pressing concern. Must be fifty people intensely thinking about this in academia.

I find it very, very difficult to believe that our brave soldiers are on duty and getting pissed off thinking "Why aren't my parents paying higher taxes, in addition to the burden of me not being there? Why are Americans going on with their lives as normally as they can--I want them to suffer!"

This is a liberal agenda puff piece hiding in the shadows of some angry individuals and pretending to show "concern" for our fighting forces. I am sure some feel as described in the article, but there are as many different emotions and reactions in the military as anywhere else in our society.

So when will the NYT write a piece about how many more Americans than these are concerned about the anti-American attitude of democrats? "Why are they calling our people Nazis? Why aren't they cutting their pork barrel projects to pay for the war?"

20 posted on 07/24/2005 1:52:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call Osama guilty without a trial, but DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: lowbridge
The Bush administration's rallying call that America is a nation at war is increasingly ringing hollow to men and women in uniform, who argue in frustration that America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war.

Actually, the liberal news media is in all-out war mode.......to undermined the morale of the U.S. Home Front.

Josef Goebbels could only dream of such a thing.

21 posted on 07/24/2005 1:54:58 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: lowbridge
As if this author or The New York Slimes gives a about our military,supporting them or the WOT,patriotism,or America. As if they didn't lie during the whole Presidential campaign that Republicans would reinstitute the draft,and not because they were for the idea.As if they don't constantly declaim the idea that it's "patriotic" to slander and oppose our troops and the job they're doing in Iraq.As if they're ANYthing except hopeful that the war effort fails,the military and our C-in-C fail,and that America fails.As if anyone with the sense God gave a pea doesn't know all this.
22 posted on 07/24/2005 1:54:59 PM PDT by mrsmel (Here lies David St. Hubbins... and why not?)
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To: Darkwolf377

My brother is almost 44,married app twenty years,has a lovely wife and three lovely daughters,and is now in Iraq,having volunteered to return to full-time active duty in order to go. He's only one guy,but I can assure this wad of puss that my brother was NOT thinking "Damn it's so unfair that I'm going to that hot dangerous hell hole on behalf of my country,but my family gets to stay home and be comfortable and live it up while I do so".And I would think that he's fairly representative.I know he is of the guys in his unit.This POS writer chooses to ignore that we have a volunteer military,and that the right-minded section of America whole-heartedly supports them,and that their families ARE making sacrifices just by their being there,just for starters. What a hypocritical worthless waste of breath he is,as if he supports the troops and gives a hoot in hell about them.He'd like to sow dissension,as IF they're not smart enough to take with a grain of salt any phony "concern" coming from someone like him,who could care less about the welfare of our military.


23 posted on 07/24/2005 2:05:27 PM PDT by mrsmel (Here lies David St. Hubbins... and why not?)
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To: Nita Nupress

24 posted on 07/24/2005 2:07:48 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: markedman; lowbridge

Well, the NYT and its ilk have had a lot to do with making people feel distant from or even ashamed of the war. Who better than the Times to now write an article pretending to be "concerned" about having achieved their goal?


25 posted on 07/24/2005 2:09:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: lowbridge
"There are not even concerted efforts like the savings-bond drives or gasoline rationing that helped to unite the country behind its fighting forces in wars past.

This, from the same idiots who ridicule displays of patriotism, despise flying the U.S. flag, or go bonkers at the sound of "God Bless America"!

This, from the media who decided not to show photos/video from 9/11 ever again because it would just agitate the masses and upset the Muslims.

This, from libs who don't want military recruiters at schools and colleges.

Concerted effort? Haven't they noticed the security checks we all have to go through at airports (and now at some trains/subways)?

Saving aluminum foil and growing victory gardens is not what the country needs to do.

What the NYT needs to do is get out of NYC once in a while, where the elite chattering classes are NOT united with our troops, and travel to some red states/counties, where we've never wavered.

26 posted on 07/24/2005 2:11:57 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: roses of sharon

Do you have a family member over their, roses?


27 posted on 07/24/2005 2:15:03 PM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: lowbridge

And some soldiers are asking The NewYork Times is still in existence.


28 posted on 07/24/2005 2:19:52 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: lowbridge
I don't belittle the optionions of soldiers who have actually seen active duty just because they don't mesh with my opinion.

They fight for their own freedom of speech too.

And frankly, they have a point. Shooting the messenger is a "liberal" tactic. So it's printed in the NYT instead of Soldier of Fortune magazine. A point is a point is a point, and is either valid or invalid or somewhere in between.

29 posted on 07/24/2005 2:19:54 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: lowbridge

more Slimes draft noise


30 posted on 07/24/2005 2:20:07 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: lowbridge; billhilly

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Personally...

...this is one Freeper who has spent much of his time since the Attacks of September 11, 2001 supporting our Hero U.S. Military members' bringing Freedom to the opproessed Peoples and cultures of the world ...as our own best self protection against future terrorist attacks here at home.

Personally...

...this is one Freeper who incessantly applauds our U.S. Military's sacrificing their all on behalf of others worldwide.

Personally...

...this is one Freeper who has also sacrificed some to be able to do so, mostly full time, on line.

....But there is one of us supporters who has sacrificed much, much more.

He's...

England's new KING ARTHUR

He's...

America's new Hero for the new Mellennium

He's...

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http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361


...just for the LOVE of it.

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31 posted on 07/24/2005 2:27:48 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: lowbridge

Ok, when pigs fly. :-)


32 posted on 07/24/2005 2:28:50 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: lowbridge

"Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States. All were carefully screened so that the views they expressed would jibe with the story we wanted to write."


33 posted on 07/24/2005 2:31:54 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: lowbridge

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Because Sacrific begets Sacrafice:


MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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34 posted on 07/24/2005 2:32:20 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: roses of sharon

35 posted on 07/24/2005 2:33:14 PM PDT by John Lenin (The RATS have struck out but they continue to run the bases, for what, I don't know)
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To: lowbridge
"America is not a nation at war, but a nation with only its military at war."

It is precisely because our military is at war over there that America isn't at war over here.


36 posted on 07/24/2005 2:36:41 PM PDT by infocats
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To: mrsmel

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ALOHA RONNIE Freeper Page

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie


See: 'Links'


...just for the LOVE of it.


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37 posted on 07/24/2005 2:39:48 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Peach
From bases in Iraq and across the United States to the Pentagon and the military's war colleges, officers and enlisted personnel quietly raise a question for political leaders: if America is truly on a war footing, why is so little sacrifice asked of the nation at large?

Thanks for the ping, Peach. They're right, of course. As much as I admire them, President Bush and Prime Ministers Blair and Howard keep telling the general public to get on with their lives. I understand what they mean, but unfortunately there's an unintentional consequence. People not only go on with their lives, but they become psychologically distant from the war effort.

The authorities simply cannot be everywhere. It's vital to enlist thie public's help today just as every earlier generation did in times of war from the Revolution forward.

38 posted on 07/24/2005 2:49:26 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Nita Nupress

39 posted on 07/24/2005 2:50:37 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: markedman

Well we can thank the presstitutes of the msm for not cheering our troops on. We are. Most FReepers know what these men and women are doing, but not the presstitutes and their bosses. But then these numbskulls have little use for the men and women who allow them the privilege of writing scathing reports about the military's sacrifices. I imagine if Thom Shanker visited Iraq or Afphanistan he would only write about the things not done for these people, or report only the death count.


40 posted on 07/24/2005 3:00:27 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: mrsmel
I thank you, your family and your brother for his service.

A combat veteran of Vietnam I know is no conservative; he said that whatever the flaws and problems he could point out about Bush post 9-11, he did not hesitate for one second to vote for him last time. Anyway, he tells me that he knows from experience what stories relating to the military to ignore as the work of people who have zero clue about the genuine concerns of the military, and simply twist the same complaining we all do at our non-military jobs into whatever fits their particular point of view.

It does amuse me, however, how the NYT is so concerned about the rest of us not "suffering" enough. Shades of the great Vonnegut short story "Harrison Bergeron."

41 posted on 07/24/2005 3:00:56 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call Osama guilty without a trial, but DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: Wolfstar

It is vitally important and there are many ways we could all be involved. I wish the government would at least appoint someone within each state to work with citizens to get involved.

I think I'll write our Governor Sanford and see if there is something he can suggest.


42 posted on 07/24/2005 3:00:57 PM PDT by Peach
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To: lowbridge
.....All Quiet on the Home Front, and Some Soldiers Are Asking Why.........the 'ACLU'....is in control of this ___________?

......and exactly,....what is,.... the 'Internationale' Anthem... of the 'ACLU'....?

/truth and 'patriot'....ism?

43 posted on 07/24/2005 3:03:47 PM PDT by maestro
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To: Peach
I think I'll write our Governor Sanford and see if there is something he can suggest.

That's a good idea. I think I'll write my own governor. The states don't need to wait for the feds before setting up civil defense programs.

44 posted on 07/24/2005 3:06:29 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: iconoclast
Yes in Iraq and in Afghanistan, AND THEY ALL WORK FOR HALLIBURTON!

You see, I'm personally in on the evil plot by Bush and Cheney to kill soldiers for oil money and contracts!
45 posted on 07/24/2005 3:10:55 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: lowbridge

"Members of the military who discussed their sense of frustration did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the civilian leadership could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with enlisted personnel, noncommissioned officers, midlevel officers, and general or flag officers in Iraq and in the United States."



Members of the NY Times staff who discussed their sense of frustration with the Old Grey Lib-Whore did so only when promised anonymity, as comments viewed as critical of the Times editorial policy could end their careers. The sentiments were expressed in more than two dozen interviews and casual conversations with Times writers, section editors, midlevel stringers, and Op-Ed writers.



Amazing how that works, huh?


46 posted on 07/24/2005 3:23:07 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Darkwolf377; ModernDayHeroes.com; Mia T; billhilly


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47 posted on 07/24/2005 3:24:54 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Darkwolf377

Thank you:) My brother feels like he's just putting his money where his mouth is. He's very proud that his oldest daughter will be going to West Point.

I haven't read that story,but I think I understand what the gist must be.I'll find and read it.

That stupid writer would(and probably has been)the first to raise the hue and cry if the WOT WAS affecting the home front any more than it has. And most likely being at a far distance from actually knowing any troops or their families,HTH does he have any clue as to what sacrifices they are making,or what Americans in general would do if the neccesity presented itself? It's pretty unfair to judge America generally by his socialist anti-American circles.I believe that if we were called upon,there might be some grumbling(hey we're Americans,that's our God-given right:)),but we would come through-maybe HE wouldn't,he would know best about that.



48 posted on 07/24/2005 3:29:59 PM PDT by mrsmel (Here lies David St. Hubbins... and why not?)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the links, I'm looking at some now,and bookmarking them.


49 posted on 07/24/2005 3:30:43 PM PDT by mrsmel (Here lies David St. Hubbins... and why not?)
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To: lowbridge

When people get quiet they are THINKING. London did a number on a lot of peoples minds.


50 posted on 07/24/2005 3:32:07 PM PDT by marty60
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