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Oriana Fallaci --"The Enemy We Treat Like A Friend" (London bombings)
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Posted on 07/25/2005 8:01:59 AM PDT by dennisw

"The Enemy We Treat Like A Friend" (Part I)

Rather than try to keep up with the body counts from the latest love offerings by the Religion of Peace or, more painfully, to listen to the latest outrages against human decency pouring forth from the lips of their apologists--pale of skin and heart--I've decided to give the floor to one of the very few people who has been consistently making sense ever since the Muslim war against our civilization came to New York on a September morning four years ago.

From the Italian blog Eddyburg (via Romanwanderer) comes the latest column by Oriana Fallaci. Published exactly one week ago today in Corriere Della Sera, it is entitled, "Il nemico che trattiamo da amico" ("The Enemy We Treat As A Friend"). Hopefully, I'll have Part II translated and posted by tomorrow.

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Now, I ask myself: “What do you say, what do you have to say, about what happened in London?” They ask me face-to-face, via fax and email; often scolding me because up until now I have remained silent. Almost as if my silence were a betrayal. And each time I shake my head and murmur to myself: what else should I say?!? I’ve been saying it for four years--that I fight against the Monster that has decided to eliminate us physically and, along with our bodies, to destroy our principles and values. Our civilization. For four years I’ve been talking about Islamic Nazism; about the war against the West; about the death cult; about European suicide. About a Europe that is no longer Europe, but Eurabia, and that with its feebleness, its inertia, its blindness, its servitude to the enemy is digging its own grave. For four years, like another Cassandra, I’ve been shouting until I’m hoarse “Troy is burning! Troy is burning!” and I despair of the Danaids for whom, like Virgil in the Aeneid I weep for a city entombed in its torpor. [A city] that, through its wide-open doors receives fresh troops and joins complicit parties [inside]. For four years I’ve been repeating to the wind the truth about the Monster and its accomplices; that is, the accomplices of the Monster who, in good or bad faith, open wide the doors--who, like [those] in the Apocalypse of John the Evangelist, throw themselves at his feet and allow themselves to be stamped with the mark of shame.

I began with “The Rage and the Pride.“ I continued with “The Force of Reason.“ I followed [those] with “Oriana Fallaci Interviews Oriana Fallaci,” and “The Apocalypse.” And in each one I preached, “Wake up, West! Wake up!“ The books, the ideas, for which in France they tried me in 2002, accusing me of religious racism and xenophobia. For which Switzerland asked our Minister of Justice to extradite me in handcuffs. For which in Italy I will be tried for vilifying Islam; that is, for an offense of opinion. (An offense that carries a sentence of three years in prison; none of which will be served by the Islamist caught with explosives in his cantina). Books, ideas, for which the “Caviar” left, the “Fois Gras” right, and even the “Prosciutto” Center have denigrated and vilified me, putting me in the stocks together with all who think as I do. That is, together with the sensible and unprotected people who are defined by the radical-chic in their frivolous talk as “the riff-raff of the Right."

Yes, it‘s true: In newspapers that in the best of cases pharasaically opposed me with a conspiracy of silence now appear titles using my concepts and words.--“War Against the West.”; “Cult of Death”; “The Suicide of Europe”; Wake up, Italy! Wake up!“ Yes, it’s true: Though without admitting I wasn’t wrong, the ex-secretary of the Democratic Left now submits to interviews in which he declares that “these-terrorists-want-to-destroy-our-values”; that “this-slaughter-is-facist-in-nature-and-expresses-hatred-for-our-civilization”. Yes, it‘s true: In speaking of Londonistan, the section of London where some 700,000 Muslims live, the newspapers which at first gave comfort to the terrorists--going so far as to make excuses for their crime are now saying what I did when I wrote that in each one of our cities exists another city. A subterranean city; equal to Beirut when it was invaded by Arafat in the 70s. A foreign city that speaks its own language and observes its own customs; a Muslim city where terrorists go about their business undisturbed and, thus undisturbed, plan our deaths. The rest is now spoken of openly; even Islamic terrorism, something that was carefully avoided in order not to offend moderate Muslims. Yes it’s true: Now, even the fifth columnists and the imams express their hypocritical condemnations, their mendacious loathing, their false solidarity with the relatives of the victims. Yes, it’s true: Now, thorough searches are being made in the cases of the accused Muslims; suspects are arrested; perhaps it will even be decided to expel them. But in substance, nothing has changed.Does the matter of the One God really suffice to establish a concord of concepts, of principles, of values?!? This is the point, in the unchanged reality of post-attack London that perhaps troubles me the most. I am also troubled because it goes along with, and thereby reinforces that which I consider the error committed by Papa Wojtyla: not to fight as much as he should have, in my opinion, against the illiberal and anti-democratic--no, cruel--essence of Islam. During these last four years, I have done nothing but ask myself why a warrior like Wojtyla, a leader so singular who contributed more than anyone else to the downfall of the Soviet empire and, therefore, of Communism, showed himself to be so weak towards a disease worse than the Soviet empire or Communism. A disease that, above all, targets Christianity (and Judaism) for destruction. I have done nothing but ask myself why he did not inveigh openly against what was happening (and is happening), for example, in Sudan where the fundamentalist regime was practicing (and is practicing) slavery. Where Christians were eliminated (are eliminated) by the millions. Why he was silent about Saudi Arabia where anyone with a Bible in hand or a cross around his neck was (and is) treated like a scum to be put to death. Still today, there is that silence I don’t understand, and…

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Naturally, I understand that the philosophy of the Catholic Church is based on ecumenism and on the commandment “Love-your-enemy-as-yourself.“ That one of its fundamental principles (at least theoretically) is forgiveness, sacrifice, turning the other cheek. (A sacrifice I refuse not only for pride; that is, for my way of maintaining my dignity, but also because I believe there is a motive of Evil on the part of those who do evil.) But there also exists the principle of self-defense or, instead, legitimate defense and, if I’m not mistaken, the Catholic Church has made use of this principle more than once. Charles Martel turned back the Muslim invaders lifting up the crucifix. Isabel of Spain tossed them out of Spain while doing the same. And at Lepanto there were even Papal troops. In order to defend Vienna, the last bulwark of Christianity, in order to break the siege of Kara Mustafa, there was also, and above all, the Pole Jan Sobienski with the image of the Virgin of Chestochowa. And if those Catholics had not applied the principle of self-defense--of legitimate defense--we, too, would be wearing the burka or the calabash. We, too, would be calling the few survivors infidel dogs. We, too, We, too, would be cutting off their heads with the halal knife. And Saint Peter’s Basilica would be a mosque, like the Church of Saint Sofia in Istanbul. Worse: the Vatican would be Bin Laden and Zarqawi.

Thus, three days after the latest massacre, when Pope Ratzinger renewed the theme of dialogue, I was astonished. Your Holiness, I speak to you as a person who admires you very much. Who loves you, because you are right about so many things. Who, because of this, is mocked along with those nicknamed “devout atheist,“ “sanctimonious layperson,“ “clerical liberal.“ A person, above all, who understands politics and its necessities. Who understands the drama of leadership and its compromises. Who admires the stubbornness of faith and respects the renouncements and generosity that it demands. But I must pose the following question all the same: do you really believe that the Muslims would accept a dialogue with Christians, or with other religions, or with atheists like me? Do you really believe that they can change, reform, quit planting bombs? You are a very erudite man, Your Holiness. Very cultured. And you know them well. Much better than I. Explain to me then: When ever, in the course of their history--a history that has lasted for 1400 years--have they changed and reformed?

Oh, neither have we been, nor are we, angels. Agreed. Inquisitions, defenestrations, executions, wars, infamies of every kind; as well as Guelphs and Ghibellines without end. And if we want to judge ourselves severely, it’s enough to think about what we did sixty years ago with the Holocaust. But afterwards, we applied a little wisdom, of course. We thought about what we had done and if for no other reason than in the name of decency, we bettered ourselves a little. They have not. The Catholic Church experienced epochal changes, Your Holiness. And again, you know this better than I. At a certain point, it is remembered that the Church was preaching reason; thus choice; thus the Good, thus Liberty, and she ceased to tyrannize. To kill people. Or constrain them to paint only Christs and Madonnas. She understood laicism. Thanks to men of the first order, a long list of which You are a part, she leant a hand to democracy. And today, she speaks to people like me. She accepts them and, far from burning them alive (I never forget that up until four hundred years ago the Holy Office would have sent me to the stake), she respects their ideas. They do not. Therefore, there can be no dialogue with them. And this does not signify that I want to promote a war of religion, a Crusade, a witch hunt, as imbeciles and frauds. (Religious wars, Crusades--me?!? A non-religious person? Go figure. Like I’d want to incite a religious war or a Crusade. A witch hunt--me?!? Being considered a witch and a heretic by the same laypeople and the same liberals, go figure. Like I’d want to start a witch hunt. It simply signifies that to delude one’s self about them is against reason. Against Life, against one’s own survival. And woe unto those who take them into their confidence.

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"The Enemy We Treat Like A Friend" (Part II)

In the second of two posts translating Oriana Fallaci's latest column, Fallaci discusses the possibility of a terrorist attack in her native Italy. As those of you who know me--heck, as those of you who have looked at my email address--have already guessed, this is a topic of immediate, physical interest to me and my family.

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Will the massacre touch us too?--will it really touch us the next time? Oh, yes. I haven’t the slightest doubt. I’ve never had the slightest doubt. I’ve been saying this, too, for the last four years. And I add: They have not yet attacked us [only] because of their need for a landing zone, a bridgehead, a handy outpost named “Italy.“ Geographically handy because it is the closest one to both the Middle East and Africa; that is, to the countries that supply the greatest number of troops. Strategically handy because we offer succor and collaboration to those troops.

But soon, they will go on a rampage. Bin Laden himself has promised it--explicitly, clearly, precisely. More than once. His lieutenants (or rivals) have done likewise. The Corriere itself demonstrates this with its interview with Saak Al-Faqih, the exiled Saudi who became friends with Bin Laden during the conflict with the Russians in Afghanistan and who, according to the American secret services, a financer of Al Qaeda. “It is only a question of time. Al Qaeda will strike you soon,“ said Al Faqih, adding that the attack upon Italy is the most logical thing in the world. Is not Italy the weak link in the chain of allies in Iraq? A link comes soon after Spain and was preceded by London only out of pure convenience. Then [he said]: “Bin Laden well remembers the words of the Prophet: “You will force the Romans to surrender. And he wants to force Italy to abandon its alliance with America.“ In sum, [and] emphasizing that similar operations will not be carried out [by Muslims] who have just arrived at Lampedusa or Malpensa; but instead after having achieved a mature familiarity with the country, after having penetrated its social fabric: “[The only problem with] recruiting the needed manpower will be the embarrassment of riches.“

Many Italians still don’t believe this. Notwithstanding the declarations of the Minister of the Interior, Rome and Milan are at risk; and look out--so are Turin, Naples, Trieste, and Treviso; not to mention the cities of art like Florence and Venice. [But] the Italians carry on like children for whom the word “death” has no meaning. Or like the scatterbrained to whom death seems to be a stroke of bad luck that only happens to other people. In the worst case, a stroke of bad luck that will save them for last. Worse: they believe that to avoid it they only need to be clever; that is, to kiss butt. Vittorio Feltri was right when he wrote at “Libero” that the decadence of Westerners is to be identified with their illusion of being able to deal amiably with the Enemy, and even less with their fear. A fear that induces them to meekly host the enemy, to attempt to conquer him with sympathy, hoping that he will allow himself to be absorbed; while [the enemy] is the one who wants to absorb.

And this does not even take into account our familiarity with being invaded, humiliated, and betrayed. Like I said in “The Apocalypse,“ [it’s] the general attitude of resignation. Resignation generates apathy. Apathy generates inertia. Inertia generates indifference and, besides impeding moral judgment, indifference suffocates the of self-defense; that is, the instinct to fight back. Oh, that for a week or a month they might understand that they are hated and despised by the enemy that they treat like a friend, and that he is completely indifferent to the virtues known as Gratitude, Loyalty, [and] Mercy! They would indeed be roused from their apathy, their inertia, their indifference. They would indeed believe in the announcements of Saad al-Faqih and the explicit, clear, [and] precise warnings pronounced by Bin Laden and Company. They would avoid taking underground trains. They would travel by automobile or bicycle. (But Theo van Gogh was killed while riding his bicycle.) They would knock off the good-naturedness (or servility) They would trust the immigrant who sells them drugs or cleans their houses a little less. They would be less cordial towards unskilled workers who, waving a worker’s visa in our faces, claims to want to be like them, but in the meantime beats the hell out of his wife--his wives--and kills his daughter [for wearing] blue jeans. They would even renounce the litanies of the “Voyages of Hope,” and perhaps they would realize that, in order not to lose Liberty, sometimes you have to sacrifice a little bit of liberty. That self-defense is legitimate defense, and that legitimate defense is not barbarism. Maybe, they would even cry out that Fallaci was right; that she didn’t deserve to be treated like a delinquent. But then, they would begin anew to treat me like a delinquent. To call me a retrograde xenophobic racist, etc. And when the attack will come, we’ll hear the usual nonsense: It’s the Americans’ fault; it’s Bush’s fault.

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When will the attack come? How will it come? Oh, God; I hate being a Cassandra. I hate being a prophetess. I am not a Cassandra; I am not a prophetess. I am only a citizen who reasons; and by reasoning foresees things that will happen according to logic. But one who hopes that she is wrong and, when they happen, curses herself for not being wrong. Nonetheless, regarding an attack on Italy, I fear two things: Christmas and the elections. We might slide by for Christmas. Their attacks are not rude, showy strikes. They are refined crimes, well-calculated and well-prepared. They need time to prepare themselves, and I don’t think they’ll be ready by Christmas. But the will be ready by the 2006 elections--the elections they want to see won overwhelmingly by pacifism. And of us, I fear, they will not be content [just] to massacre people. Because this is an intelligent and well-informed Monster, my dears. A Monster who (on our dime) studied in our universities, our renowned colleges, our luxurious schools. (With the money of their parents; be they sheikh or honest day-worker). A Monster who is not only knowledgeable about engineering, chemistry, physics, airlines, and subways: he is also knowledgeable about Art. Art, that their presumed “Beacon of Civilization” has never known how to produce. And I think that, along with our people, they want to massacre come work of art. How hard would it be to blow the Cathedral of Milan or Saint Peter’s Basilica sky-high? How hard would it be to blow Michelangelo’s David, the Uffizi, and the Palazzo Vecchio in Florence--or the Palace of the Doges in Venice--sky-high? How hard would it be to blow the Leaning Tower of Pisa--a monument recognized in every corner of the world, and therefore even more famous than the Twin Towers--sky-high?

But we cannot escape. We can confront the monster with honor, [with] courage; and by remembering the words that Churchill said to the English when he went to war against Hitler’s Nazism. He said “We will pour out tears and blood.” Oh, yes: we too will pour out tears and blood. We are at war: do we or do we not want to get this through our heads?!? And in war, you cry. Period.

Thus I had already concluded four years ago in this newspaper.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eurabia; europe; fallaci; islam; islamofascists; israel; jihad; jihadists; koranimals; londonattacked; orianafallaci; radicalislam; trop; uk; waronterror; wot
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1 posted on 07/25/2005 8:02:00 AM PDT by dennisw
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http://mysteryachievement.blogspot.com/2005/07/enemy-we-treat-like-friend-part-i.html

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2 posted on 07/25/2005 8:02:18 AM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - ---> Against Amelek for all generations)
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3 posted on 07/25/2005 8:09:30 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: dennisw

These prosecutions of Fallaci are criminal in themselves. The Left often whines about the loss of freedom, but these so-called "hate" statutes are causing us all to lose our freedom of speech. This is one aspect of the game the Left always plays - free speech is for me (the Left) and not for you. Say something critical of Islam and you will be branded a "hater". It's ironic that I can walk into any bookstore in this country and pick up a copy of "Mein Kampf", or the latest hateful screed from, say, Michael Moore. But an important mind like Fallaci gets trashed by our self-appointed guardians of the public good.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 8:14:17 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: grizzfan; DAVEY CROCKETT; Donna Lee Nardo; Velveeta; tmp02

Ping for an interesting article. An Italian of like-mind, writing against terrorism.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 8:15:05 AM PDT by all4one (www.missingkids.com)
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To: dennisw

Thank you for the post.


6 posted on 07/25/2005 8:17:09 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: ConservativeMind

WOW!!! I just read it all. Orianna is too hot to handle!!


7 posted on 07/25/2005 8:19:57 AM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - ---> Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: dennisw

Could you post a link to the original Italian articles? Thanks


8 posted on 07/25/2005 8:24:05 AM PDT by nettuno
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To: popdonnelly
Liberals have great difficulty living with freedom of speech. Invariably, you look at Campus protests that are designed to keep speakers from speaking by providing excess noise that overwhelms the speech--the excess noise that ends the speech comes from liberals; the speaker is exploring thoughts they don't like.

True everwhere.

Liberalism requires a dictatorship to survive. Freedom of thought and speech brings liberals and socialists down.

9 posted on 07/25/2005 8:26:53 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: dennisw

bump.


10 posted on 07/25/2005 8:29:20 AM PDT by headsonpikes ("The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government.")
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To: dennisw

Just another Bush basher who doesn't believe him when he calls Islam a "Religion of Peace". /s

Probably doesn't find the hand holding charming either.


11 posted on 07/25/2005 8:30:49 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: dennisw

BUMP


12 posted on 07/25/2005 8:31:13 AM PDT by bubman
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To: nettuno

http://eddyburg.it/article/articleview/3101/0/19/

From the Italian blog Eddyburg (via Romanwanderer) comes the latest column by Oriana Fallaci. Published exactly one week ago today in Corriere Della Sera, it is entitled, "Il nemico che trattiamo da amico" ("The Enemy We Treat As A Friend").


13 posted on 07/25/2005 8:32:33 AM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - ---> Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: dennisw

Have you heard anything on her trial? I haven't heard a peep.


14 posted on 07/25/2005 8:43:49 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: dennisw

If only I could read Italian. Is there an English version of this blog?


15 posted on 07/25/2005 8:47:18 AM PDT by AUsome Joy
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To: dennisw

Anyone who hasn't yet read "The Rage and the Pride" should certainly do so, as well as this latest column. Fallaci is a strong voice of truth.


16 posted on 07/25/2005 8:50:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dennisw
Oriana Fallaci is top notch.

It puzzles me why we are so concerned about Gitmo inmates being allowed Korans and encouraged to 'pray' 5 times a day?

It is 'the' fountain for them that sustains their hatred and commitment to kill and jihad against the civilized world. Of which they do not want too be part of.

The Gitmo inmates should receive 'sensitivity' training instead. Now we are in phase three of Ann Coulter's response to 9/11. First invade their country, 'kill' their leaders, now convert them to 'Christianity' or any thing not fanatic Islam.

17 posted on 07/25/2005 9:01:07 AM PDT by duckln
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To: dennisw
Many thanks for that translation. Fallaci was the darling of the left at one point for being this outspoken and is now shunned and literally prosecuted. Unbelievable.

I don't think she's going to be with us much longer, more's the pity. "Pious atheist?" Not so you'd notice. Stubborn skeptic, yes...

18 posted on 07/25/2005 9:11:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dennisw

Big bump!!


19 posted on 07/25/2005 9:15:56 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: duckln

Unless the west wakes up and wises up and soon, it will be all over with us.

Islam and western civlization, at least the Islam practised by the overwhelming number of Muslims, are totally incompatible.

The author of this brillant piece is right on.

Everybody is ignoring the Elephant in the Living Room. No number of random checks, no number of border precautions, no amount of harassment of non-Muslims will prevent another Madrid, another London, another 9-11.

The only thing which will succeed is to expell all Muslims who are not citizens, to prevent visitation of Muslim tourists, business people, etc to the west, to shut down and demolish all Mosques and Madrassehs which preach violence, anti-Semitism and hatred of non-Muslims, to incarcerate or execute all Muslims who are involved in terrorist attacks, and to, in effect, treat Islam in the west as Islam treats non-Muslims in Islamiuc Countries - as a hated and suspected pariah whose presence and spread is to be discouraged and prevented by any means possible.

If we don't do this, more bombings will occur, more killings of innocent bystanders like that guy from Brazil, larger influxes of these hateful people with their hateful and alien behaviors, social practises and religious beliefs.

We are under attack and at war, and our leaders continue to ignore - the Elephant in the Living Room.


20 posted on 07/25/2005 9:18:42 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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If we don't do this, more bombings will occur

IMO, the reason why we have had no 'serious' terrorists attack in the US since 9/11, has absolutely nothing to do with the 'acclaimed' success of the Patriot Act.

The Islamists got a quick reality check when the US response was too make an offer that Pakistan couldn't refuse, smash the Taliban in Afghanistan, neutralize Lybia, and tear down the rulers in Iraq.

They must wonder what the response would be if anything major was perpetrated in the US. If and should we lighten up, then IMO another major terrorist act will happen.

Our biggest problem are the sellout Democrats and ostrich Republicans.

21 posted on 07/25/2005 9:39:22 AM PDT by duckln
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"Our biggest problem are the sellout Democrats and ostrich Republicans."

Don't forget the traitors like Jane Fonda and the other peaceniks, or the increasingly politicized pacifist Christian main stream churhces like the methodists et al.

I think the reason we have not yet been attacked agains is because we are no longer as easy a target as before, because we disrupted their organization, and becasue we are further form the Islamic heartleand than Western Europe.

But I know they are plotting while we speak, and it is only a matter of time before we are hit again, perhaps in an even more hideous fashion.

The only real solution is to get the Elephant out of the living room. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists are Muslims and hte non-terrorist Muslims either support these people clandestinely, or at the very least sympathize with them.

We must make a choice between abanoning one of the premises of our society or watch the entire system collapse. I opt for the former by removing the Elephant in the Living Room.


22 posted on 07/25/2005 9:49:06 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: dennisw
Yes, it‘s true: In newspapers that in the best of cases pharasaically opposed me with a conspiracy of silence now appear titles using my concepts and words.--“War Against the West.”; “Cult of Death”; “The Suicide of Europe”; Wake up, Italy! Wake up!“

Oriana Fallaci is a journalist who says that objectivity is not possible in journalism.

Whether they know it or not, American journalists have accepted this - that's why we see so much biased reporting today - but these same journalists also still insist they are being objective.

I'm pleased to see others here who know and respect her. God bless her, and many thanks for the translation.
23 posted on 07/25/2005 9:52:43 AM PDT by clyde asbury (Close enough for just pretending to care.)
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To: dennisw

We know this woman will fight these Borg with her last breath and that may not be long in coming. Hope not but she is very ill.


24 posted on 07/25/2005 9:58:02 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: dennisw

Looong but EXCELLENT Bump!


25 posted on 07/25/2005 10:33:57 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: dennisw; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; yonif; SJackson; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...

Oriana Fallaci Nailed It!
Moral Clarity BUMP !

    This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of good stuff that is worthy attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately on my page.

       Besides this one, I keep separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson, Orson Scott Card, David Warren and Lee Harris (sometimes). You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about).

26 posted on 07/25/2005 12:36:13 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Bttt for clarity and accuracy in a obfuscated PC world....


27 posted on 07/25/2005 12:40:33 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: dennisw

Bump- for later read!


28 posted on 07/25/2005 12:57:17 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the PING!


29 posted on 07/25/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: duckln
It puzzles me why we are so concerned about Gitmo inmates being allowed Korans and encouraged to 'pray' 5 times a day?

You're probably too young to remember, but during WWII, we gave the German prisoners copies of "Mein Kampf", each cell had pictures of the Fuehrer and each prisoner was fed the master race's diet of pork sausages and saurkraut.

30 posted on 07/25/2005 1:42:13 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: justshutupandtakeit

The BORG - oh man, did YOU ever nail it. Thats exactly what these islamic nut cases are.


31 posted on 07/25/2005 2:43:04 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: dennisw

What a good woman she is....Oriana has more brains and stones than ninety percent of the male liberals screeching around about "dialogue" and "understanding"....


32 posted on 07/25/2005 3:11:40 PM PDT by crowman
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To: duckln
The Gitmo inmates should receive 'sensitivity' training instead.

Yes, yes, I think you are on to something here. Around the clock sensitivity training along with multiculturalism, equal rights, diversity and cultural awareness training. Think of it as non-stop emersion, 18 hours a day for the rest of their life.

Hehe that really would be torture, but the leftists could not complain about it.

33 posted on 07/25/2005 3:25:31 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: usurper

Bump for later.


34 posted on 07/25/2005 6:21:03 PM PDT by get'emall (Close Gitmo. Open Boston.)
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To: an italian
Ping for my favorite Italian writer to my favorite Italian Freeper.

Oriana Fallaci is an Italian and world treasure. I'm proud she considers the US "her husband" (her words from The Pride and the Rage). I'm a Christian, but before I was a Christian I was a lover of truth and I detect that heart in Oriana.

May God lead her to salvation.
35 posted on 07/25/2005 6:34:46 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (God is offering you eternal life right now. Freep mail me if you want to know how to receive it.)
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To: Tolik

Thanks, I love reading her articles. She's excellent.


36 posted on 07/25/2005 7:11:49 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: dennisw

Thanks for the great post. I wonder how many Moslems, we allow to emigrate into the United States each year at this time. I think it is time to start talking about approaching zero.

Whatever one says about the problem of Moslems in our society, there is no doubt that it is much easier to keep them out than to deal with them once they are in.


37 posted on 07/25/2005 7:31:00 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: dennisw

Great as usual.


38 posted on 07/25/2005 8:27:19 PM PDT by an italian (God bless all the b in the world... Bush, Berlusconi and Blair...)
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To: flitton; jjbrouwer; pau1f0rd; insider_uk; Budgie; cokecan; MadIvan; ScaniaBoy; kingsurfer; ...

European free speech bump.


39 posted on 07/25/2005 8:32:03 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson; dennisw

Thanks for the ping, and thanks for posting this.

Does anyone know if Ms Fallaci was living in Switzerland? Why did the Swiss want her extradited? I thought they were hardheaded enough to see the danger. Guess I was wrong....


40 posted on 07/25/2005 9:12:50 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Thank YOU for being a free speech supporting European. We need more like you, not the kind who apologize for convoluted hate speech regulations that keep people like Oriana from warning others about the enemy's incursion behind the walls of civilization.


41 posted on 07/25/2005 9:19:55 PM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson

....and at the same time allowing various "religious leaders" to spew forth their hatred of us and our free societies. All on the altar of multiculturalism....and anti-Americanism.


42 posted on 07/25/2005 9:43:29 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: USF; Fred Nerks; AmericanArchConservative; Dark Skies; Former Dodger
Oriana Fallaci ping! Fantastic article! The Truth is spoken!

Vittorio Feltri was right when he wrote at “Libero” that the decadence of Westerners is to be identified with their illusion of being able to deal amiably with the Enemy, and even less with their fear. A fear that induces them to meekly host the enemy, to attempt to conquer him with sympathy, hoping that he will allow himself to be absorbed; while [the enemy] is the one who wants to absorb.

How can we defeat the enemy if we don't admit WHO/WHAT the enemy is?

The enemy is ISLAM!

43 posted on 07/26/2005 12:24:59 AM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: jan in Colorado

"How can we defeat the enemy if we don't admit WHO/WHAT the enemy is?"

OR WORSE STILL, WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS THE TRUTH WE CHARGE THEM WITH HATE SPEECH!!!!

Oriana Fallaci is facing charges for telling the truth!


44 posted on 07/26/2005 12:31:52 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: ariamne; jan in Colorado; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; hispanarepublicana; Salvation; Travis McGee; ..

Brilliant column by {former? leftist} Oriana Falacci; she excoriates the P.R.O.P.*

A.A.C.

"Let the Final Crusade commence!"


45 posted on 07/26/2005 1:55:55 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative; Fred Nerks
EUrabia needs many more Oriana Fallaci's.

Too often, they are Cassandras, and end up as being the ones the clueless want to prosecute because they are cowards and dare not face the real enemy in their midst, while groups such as Al Mujaharoun and Hizb ut-Tahrir are left to run wild.

46 posted on 07/26/2005 5:03:10 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: ScaniaBoy
Does anyone know if Ms Fallaci was living in Switzerland? .....

She might be living in NYC. I'm not sure. She is a world traveler and comfortable in many places. She might be secretive due to threats from Muhammadan psychos.
47 posted on 07/26/2005 5:12:24 AM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - ---> Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: ZULU
The Quran denies the divinity of Our Lord. I don't think the Pope knows that.


48 posted on 07/26/2005 5:35:36 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: John Filson

When are you going to bugger off out of the British chapter of FR? No one (British) wants you there, you BNP-supporting dolt.


49 posted on 07/26/2005 5:41:08 AM PDT by jjbrouwer (Chelsea - kings of England!)
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To: Dark Skies

He has a lot of compnay. So does the United Methodist Church, the Epicopalians, the Anglicans, the Presbyterians and some other "minastream" Christian groups - or at least their ecumenically distracted leadership.

Islam alone today is a belief system which condones and encourages the use of violence to convert non-believers and supress and intimidate those non-believers who refuse to convert.

Unless and until a majority of Muslims wake up, find they are in the twenty-first century instead of the 6th Century, this will not change.


50 posted on 07/26/2005 7:14:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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