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America's Hiroshima: America's Date with Disaster - (take this seriously!
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JULY 26, 2005 | Barbara J. Stock

Posted on 07/25/2005 9:13:25 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: nopardons
"If they had the nukes, they would have used them!"

OK, but what if they are only now getting them and only now bringing them in as per the wacko "Mexican gang" claim?

To say that if they had them, they would use them does not preclude the possibility that they have not yet acquired them but after a lot of effort have succeeded and the fire works are about to begin.

Our own intelligence agencies have stated many times that AQ is trying to obtain nukes. What if they finally succeeded?
101 posted on 07/25/2005 11:36:28 PM PDT by garjog
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To: CHARLITE

Bump for later.


102 posted on 07/25/2005 11:41:58 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: garjog
What if there really is a man with a hook for a hand, on the roof of the car? :-)

Look, this story has been going around for years and years and YEARS! Every single story makes the claim that "THEY HAVE IT, THEY HAVE IT".

They haven't got it and even IF "they" have something, they haven't a clue as to how to maintain it. And the possibility is far GREATER, that it/they would come in over the Canadian border, than the one we share with Mexico!

103 posted on 07/25/2005 11:43:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: TheCrusader
If al quaida had a nuke in the U.S. they'd have detonated it already.

Barbarians they might be, and maybe impetuous. But stupid they aren't. Blow up a nuke now and a large part of the world would be against them.

No, their strategy is to dhimmi-ify Europe, and radicalize Pakistan and Indonesia. India will be surrounded by Islam or China, South America will be threatened by Chavez and the communists. China will block Australia. Africa is always an non-player in global politics, except as a jumping off point to reconquer Spain and Europe.

When the time is right, and there is no one who can or will come to our defense, the bombs (if or when they have bombs) will go off. The point about the bombs in the US won't be to win the war, or even start the war, but to declare the war over, to present us with a severe setback when we are prevented from any response by lack of allies, and pressure from our non-allies to not respond.

You can see the effort and effect now in the ballyhoo about Tancredo's commonsense announcement about nuclear retaliation. If a nuke goes off, and the politics do not allow retaliation, the USA will be seen as totally impotent by the rest of the world.

They certainly would not waste their time on 'minor' things like airplanes crashing into buildings if they had nukes.

That depends on how long-term their strategy is. You punch the leader in the nose to get his attention, and remove the image of impregnability. Having shaken faith in the leader (USA), it's easier to separate the lesser followers away from the group (Spain).

What they must build, before they can use the nukes, is the idea that they are totally untouchable yet they can touch us whenever they want. This can be because we can't find them, or because local and global politics won't let us make the appropriate response (see Tancredo nuke flap, see Tancredo immigration flaps). Then, they need to use only a few to get the world to bend to them. Had they started with nukes, the USA might have been able to get a pass on nuking them back, or a pass on a massive sweep of tanks from Morocco to Pakistan.

This is roughly the same strategy as used by the Old Man of the Mountain and his assassins. It was very successful, up until the Mongols came through and killed everybody in their path.

104 posted on 07/25/2005 11:52:23 PM PDT by slowhandluke
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To: nopardons
Yeah, I agree that the story is tin foil and you are persuasive in easing paranoia about this.

But, for the sake of argument, if "they haven't a clue as to how to maintain it" then how do the Pakis maintain their "Islamic" nukes?

Couldn't they train agents to do this on a small scale?


Or do you think that the idea of nuclear terrorism should be dismissed out of hand as ridiculous?
105 posted on 07/25/2005 11:57:22 PM PDT by garjog
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To: nopardons

"What if there really is a man with a hook for a hand, on the roof of the car?"

Do you mean this guy?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1357490/posts


106 posted on 07/26/2005 12:00:26 AM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog
The Pakistanis have actual scientists.

Could they do the job and/or train others? It's possible; however have you any idea what it takes to move that stuff around the world and keep it viable, WHILST HIDDEN? It's a job that takes our military vast amounts of skilled and well trained men to do.

The lower echelons are now doing the "dirty deeds". Look at the recent events in London. From the idiot "shoe bomber" on down, these aren't people with enough skill to smuggle 12 to 70 ( THIS NEEDS A GIGANTIC QUANTY OF TINFOIL TO SWALLOW! ) nuke into America and then set them all off at once.

But heck, anything is "possible"...but probable? ROTFLOL

107 posted on 07/26/2005 12:17:25 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: garjog
No, but I did think of him, as I wrote. I was referring to that great URBAN LEGEND about a boy and a girl in a parked car, making out, when the music on the radio is interrupted and a news flash comes on about an escapee from prison, who has a "claw"/hook instead of a hand. They ignore it and go back to what teenagers do in a parked car, when they hear a noise. The girl is scared, but the boys says that it's just the branch of a tree. They hear the noise again and the girl demands to be taken home.

When they get to her house, the boy gets out of the car to open her door and screams ( this was in the days when boys still were mannerly...that's how old this story is ! LOL ) ; there attached to the roof of the car ( must have been a convertible ), was a blood dripping arm, with a hook for a hand, embedded in the roof.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! :-)

108 posted on 07/26/2005 12:23:42 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: CHARLITE

Open letter to ALL MUZZIE SCUM:

TRY to pull anything even remotely like this, and there will be no place for any of your believers to hide in America, there will be no mercy for any of them found - no, not even for the smallest child.

Shelter anyone who talks seriously of acting out a plan like this, and/or fail to report it immediately to the authorities and your disloyalty will be presumed.

You will be WORSE than POW's within this country...

Your filthy death-cult will be given a cosmic blast of "Raid", to eradicate all the 'insects' in the nest, and the woodwork.

A.A.C.

"Let the Final Crusade commence!"


109 posted on 07/26/2005 12:57:53 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: calenel
"You didn't prove any of these claims on the other thread which I am cross-linking for the benefit of the people on this thread." - calenel

On the contrary, I not only proved them, I LINKED to the answers. For instance: Beryllium trigger isotopes can have as little as a 53 day half-life. Polonium 210, a Man-made isotope that can *only* be created in nuclear reactors or cyclotrons, has a 140 day half-life.

110 posted on 07/26/2005 1:25:00 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: CHARLITE
the United States is the only world power to use an atomic weapon against an enemy and based on that, it is legal and within Islamic law for him to use such weapons against the American people.

Since I have heard arguments that Islamic law justifies the use of satchel charges with nails in them on Israeli Children, I guess you can pretty much justify any atrocity with Islamic law. That says a whole lot about "Islamic Law" doesn't it?! The fact that the Islamic Community is not standing up and decrying that these are false teachings is very telling. Either they are false teachings, or the general Islamic Community are terrorist supporters.

I think they are false teachings, because I suspect MoMadman had little to say about the religious implications of Nuclear weapons in war or body bombs against civilians in 650AD. That brings up another problem though. It that clearly indicates that the general Islamic Community ARE terrorists or terrorism sympathizers among us, because they themselves cannot separate terrorism from Islam using the Islamic Law.

Or am I missing something here?

111 posted on 07/26/2005 2:44:51 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Shadowstrike
Most now believe that living on your knees is better than dying on your feet.

But most flunked history didn't they?


112 posted on 07/26/2005 2:52:27 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: nopardons
there is simply NO WAY, that they are capable of doing the required maintenance for nukes.

Islam rides a red horse. Just think, is Al Queda following standard Islamic Method of operation in their attacks, or Spetznaz?

113 posted on 07/26/2005 2:55:04 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: A CA Guy
Plus Clinton gave China the technology to nuke us with missiles.

Literally, Clinton gave China the technology to sub-minaturise nuclear warheads. A russian Nuclear suitcase is a joke compared to the American equivalant. We fire ours out of 7 inch guns. That is, we did in the 50's. If you get my idea.

114 posted on 07/26/2005 2:57:49 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: CHARLITE

Save for later


115 posted on 07/26/2005 2:59:33 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: A CA Guy

116 posted on 07/26/2005 3:03:31 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: neverhome

" I'm thinking that if they already had them here, they'd have used them by now."

This story is a non-starter as soon as they suppose that the mooslims bought some suitcase nukes from their fellow jihadis, the Chechens. How can anyone possibly think that if the Chechens got their hands on a suitcase nuke that they would be willing to sell it, and try to get it out of the country, instead of driving it to Moscow and detonating it. Even that is assuming that the 25+ year old nuke was functionable. We are talking Soviet era engineering. Not exactly the most top of the line equipment. Sorry, this doesn't pass the smell test. I heard the author on Glenn Beck. I was embarrassed for Glenn that he let such a nutcase on his show. But then again, his is a 'satire' format program.


117 posted on 07/26/2005 3:04:12 AM PDT by chief_bigfoot ("isn't THAT amazing?" - Ron Popiel)
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To: American in Israel

That picture is 1953 by the way.


118 posted on 07/26/2005 3:04:43 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: freeangel

what a swell read to wake up to..Strategically, the plan ( assuming it exists) for multiple nuke detonations makes no sense..though AQ doesn't make much sense either) You'd set off ONE..say Grand Central in midtown NYC..then announce that there are 20 more aroudn the country..and unles the US does the following..immediately, they will go off..


119 posted on 07/26/2005 3:05:47 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: concerned about politics

Naw, the US will drop any pretense of support for Israel, the people will give up what freedom we have left for supposed security and the NWO will be in control.
Just my opinion.


120 posted on 07/26/2005 3:07:50 AM PDT by MrLee
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