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I'm done with the 'George Bush made me do it' excuse
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 26, 2005 | MONA ELTAHAWY

Posted on 07/25/2005 11:33:21 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

The July 7 London bombings did it for me. Perhaps it was because my parents moved us from Cairo to the British capital when I was 7 years old, and so London was my childhood "home." Or maybe it was because our route to work and school every morning crisscrossed those same Underground stations that were targeted.

I'm sure it was also those dog-eared statements that our clerics and religious leaders read out telling us that Islam means peace — it actually means submission — and asking us to please forget everything they had ever said before July 6, because as of July 7 they truly believe violence is bad. Their backpedaling is so furious you can smell the skid marks.

Some are not even bothering to put their feet on the pedals, such as the 22 imams and scholars who met at London's largest mosque to condemn the bombings but who would not criticize all suicide attacks.

Sayed Mohammed Musawi, the head of the World Islamic League in London, insisted that "there should be a clear distinction between the suicide bombing of those who are trying to defend themselves from occupiers, which is something different from those who kill civilians, which is a big crime."

In a classic example of laying blame everywhere but at our own door, Musawi actually criticized the Western media (for supposedly confusing frustrated young Muslims) rather than those scholars who had blessed suicide bombings as long as they targeted Israelis.

Suicide bombings are the Muslim weapon of choice not only in London and Israel but in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. They are killing Muslims and non-Muslims alike, and yet our imams and scholars cannot condemn them.

As I said, the London bombings did it for me. Or maybe it's the knowledge that the more these faceless cowards strike, the more Muslim men in the West like my brother are pushed onto the stage of suspicion. After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Ehab — who spends virtually all of his time caring for his cardiology patients or fulfilling his role as husband and father — was one of the 5,000 Muslim men questioned by the FBI; two years later he was among the thousands more who had to submit to being fingerprinted and photographed as part of a special registration.

But most of all, the London bombings rid me of all patience with the excuse that "George Bush (or Tony Blair or take your pick of Western leaders) made me do it." We don't know who was behind last week's explosions, but an Arab analyst told a satellite channel that if Tony Blair hadn't learned the mistake of the Iraq war, these new attacks were a firm reminder.

I never bought the explanation that U.S. foreign policy had "brought on" the Sept. 11 attacks, and I certainly don't buy the idea that the Iraq war is behind the attacks in London. Many people across the world have opposed U.S. and British foreign policy, but that doesn't mean they are rushing to fly planes into buildings or to blow up buses and Underground trains in London.

I was against the invasion of Iraq and would not have voted for George Bush if I were a U.S. citizen, but I'm done with the "George Bush made me do it" excuse. We must accept responsibility for this mess if we are ever to find a way out.

And for those non-Muslims who accept the George Bush excuse, I have a question: Do you think Muslims are incapable of accepting responsibility? It is racist — or at least in some way bigoted — to think that Muslims can only react violently.

There are a host of difficult questions we all must ask. How about beginning by acknowledging once and for all that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not a Muslim issue? It is a dispute over land that too many clerics and religious leaders, radical or otherwise, use to flesh out the victimized-Muslim scenario. Yes, Palestinians deserve a state, and, yes, Israel must end its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. But rather than dwelling endlessly on these issues, we would do well to spend some time encouraging our young people to become more active members of their communities and to not live caught between two worlds: a Muslim one at home and in the mosque, an "infidel" one outside.

And what about assimilation? It is not bigoted to ask Muslims if they are integrating into the societies they are living in. Just as the British government has responsibilities toward its citizens, immigrants included, so too do those immigrants. Muslims ask for time off work for prayer, for example, and they often get it. But are they truly living in Britain or are they perpetuating an existence that even their relatives "back home" long ago left behind? Domestic policy is too often ignored by many Muslims who are more concerned with Palestine, Iraq or any other place where Muslims are believed to have suffered injustice.

I raise these questions because London might have done it for me, but I'm not done with Islam. The clerics and the terrorists will not take it away from me. God belongs to me, too.

Eltahawy is a New York-based columnist for the pan-Arab Asharq al-Awsat. Her Web site is at www.monaeltahawy.com.


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1 posted on 07/25/2005 11:33:22 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This was interesting, thanks for posting!!


2 posted on 07/25/2005 11:37:41 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee (http://hometown.aol.com/feereports/feepolitics.html)
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To: FeeinTennessee
It looks like the Houston Chronicle is beginning to get it.

Pointless….***….Some Arabs, frustrated by their culture's economic, political and technological backwardness, no doubt long for an Islamic ascendancy, one that would teach the Western democracies a lesson. Some even speak of restoring the caliphate that during the Middle Ages controlled much of the Mediterranean world.

At this point, one speculation about the perpetrators of terrorism and their aims is about as good as another. One impression, however, is gaining strength: The savage and unconscionable nature of the suicide attacks on innocent civilians — particularly in Iraq, where a group of children was singled out for destruction — seems to be alienating all but the most committed zealots and mass murderers.***

3 posted on 07/25/2005 11:41:58 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Too far and few between, that's my take on this.

It's a good read, but we should be reading hundreds of articles like this daily, not one per week or two.

The Muslim world should be up in arms at the thrashing their faith is taking in world public opinion. Instead we get a few cornered Imams making a few CYA remarks that will fade away faster than redness from 15 minutes in the sun.

It is a global scandal, that the Muslim world has thus far stood by and accepted what is being perpetrated on their behalf, in almost unanimous stone cold silence.

It's not going unnoticed here. We've got your number Islam. It's a big fat zero when it comes to operating in the civilaztion that is 2005, not 1205.


4 posted on 07/25/2005 11:51:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne

They should be marching in the streets.

I guess they know what these murderers are capable of.

But avoiding the truth and not standing up to murderers only serves the murderers.


5 posted on 07/25/2005 11:55:33 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It does serve the murderers. And frankly, it serves those who would seek to destroy Islam, far more than those who profess the disire to protect it. But of course, those are the exact same people these days, and Islam is blind to it.

Yes they should be marching in the streets.

Thanks for the response.


6 posted on 07/26/2005 12:03:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It does serve the murderers. And frankly, it serves those who would seek to destroy Islam, far more than those who profess the disire to protect it. But of course, those are the exact same people these days, and Islam is blind to it.

You are so correct.

It is self destruction.

A suicide by cop scenario.

7 posted on 07/26/2005 12:10:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

interesting. possibly even encouraging. I cannot but wonder how long it will be before this author has a death-fatwa on her head.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 12:11:56 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A good read.

I only wish I saw as much outrage and visible response as I did over the phony Koran in the toilet issue. But I guess a book is more important than mere human lives to some.

9 posted on 07/26/2005 12:12:25 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call UBL guilty without a trial, but thinks DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

10 posted on 07/26/2005 12:12:51 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: King Prout

I think that is a huge part of the problem.

They use terror to keep people cowed.

But if there are millions upon millions who oppose this form of Islam, they need to rise up and say so.


11 posted on 07/26/2005 12:19:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Darkwolf377

It's different when it's your ox being gored.


12 posted on 07/26/2005 12:20:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: martin_fierro

Thank you for the photo.


13 posted on 07/26/2005 12:20:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

perhaps a policy as follows might prod them to stand?



In any case, I think the immediate reprisal nuking of Mecca would be an incorrect policy.
1. I think it would be better to target Medina (literally "the city of the prophet"), as it was there that Mohammed declared war on the entire world some 1350 years ago, beginning the subsequent uninterrupted imperial ambition of Islam.
2. I think we should give formal notice of imminent nuclear eradication, and give them one full week from the conclusion of the announcement to evacuate the city.
3. I think we should then stack-nuke it, starting with airbursts and ending with deep-penetrators.
4. I think we should make it explicitly clear that any subsequent Islamic WMD violation of the "second chance" this policy grants the Ummah to keep its damned Black Stone will be repaid with the instant and unannounced stack-nuking of the Kaaba enclosure and Mecca as a whole (including ALL the traditional pilgrimage features).
5. I think this should be public policy.
6. I think this policy should make it explicitly clear that we do not *desire* to do this, but assuredly SHALL do this, without fail, should we ever come under WMD attack by any Islamic entity.
7. I think this policy should make it explicitly clear that, in this war against trans-national Islamicists, the onus of cooperation rests upon the Ummah as a whole. If they want to keep their fetishes, they need to play ball... or we will definitely ram the bat up their collective arse.

Such a policy used to be called "nuclear deterrence"


14 posted on 07/26/2005 12:29:18 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

I imagine the idea of such reprisal has caught the attention of Muslims who, up until now, have been just sitting back and watching the "show."


15 posted on 07/26/2005 12:33:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

well, their cult IS tied directly to a material fetish object at a known fixed geographical location.

this is their cult's achilles heel.

It is LONG past time they were reminded that we are aware of this fact, and fully capable of taking permanent corrective measures should the need arise.

Though I believe Tancredo errs in thinking Mecca should be the *immediate* reprisal target, I thank him for putting the ugly guts of the thing on the table.


16 posted on 07/26/2005 12:37:24 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We read now of the possible tactical Nuclear weapons that are supposed to be deployed in the US to be used by the terrorists.
Does the Islamic world have any idea what the backlash of a nuclear detonation within the US would be like for Muslims throughout the world?
The least of their problems is that the US government would have to respond in kind to save face. The Christian population of North America would instantly begin to hunt down and execute Muslims no matter what their beliefs. Europe would instantly be in a religious war.
The worst enemy of the Islamic people are Islamic terrorists. If they are not stopped from using nuclear weapons it will cost millions of Muslims their lives and destroy the Muslim religion.
I guess the pertinent questions are, Do we have to prove to you that Allah can not reach out and swat down our incoming nuclear weapons? Do we have to prove to you that the 5% of American citizens that are Muslim can not and will not dominate our country, our religion, or our government. They would be eliminated by an infuriated populace that would not stop until the Muslim world was completely decimated. If non violent Muslims do really exist, they need to be taking care of this threat right now by what ever means is necessary. Your whole world is at stake.
17 posted on 07/26/2005 12:40:37 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

not "decimated" (reduced by one out of ten)

ANIHILATED. REDUCED TO NOTHING.


18 posted on 07/26/2005 12:44:24 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Truth and fanaticism don't mix.


19 posted on 07/26/2005 12:49:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"On March 31, 2005, the presidential panel on ‘weapons of mass destruction’ (WMD) published their overwrought report that is over 600-page long in which it pointed out a colossal failure by the U.S. intelligence (read CIA), which gave a blow to American credibility that will take years to correct."--Dr. A.H. Jaffor Ullah, a researcher and columnist, writes from New Orleans, USA

Whenever you have to put 'Sanity' in your name it usually means you're not.

20 posted on 07/26/2005 1:00:08 AM PDT by rvoitier (SMILE! There's a NYT reporter in jail.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The terrorists are only interested in one thing

WORLD DOMINATION

You would think that the US being supposedly 90 % Christian that the blinders would come off but most people refuse to open their eyes or have been hiden from the light so long they dont know what truth is anymore.


21 posted on 07/26/2005 1:09:34 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: rvoitier
It certainly won't guarantee you are.
22 posted on 07/26/2005 1:11:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

The drip, drip, drip is becoming louder.


23 posted on 07/26/2005 1:11:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Islamic jihadists already had their minds made up to strike and strike again against "soft" targets in the West, regardless of who was President of the US, or of overtures made by the Western capitals to appease the demands of the jihadists.

Bush is cited only because he chose to resist responding to these appeals for "peace", which are nothing less than piecemeal surrender.

The International Socialists used the same tactics in their quest for "world peace". Defined as conforming to the demands of the Comintern leadership, as failure to comply was evidence that the nations or individuals resisting were not interested in "peace".

Non-response to provocation is regarded as "surrender" in the eyes of the jihadists.


24 posted on 07/26/2005 1:13:43 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And what about assimilation? It is not bigoted to ask Muslims if they are integrating into the societies they are living in. Just as the British government has responsibilities toward its citizens, immigrants included, so too do those immigrants. Muslims ask for time off work for prayer, for example, and they often get it. But are they truly living in Britain or are they perpetuating an existence that even their relatives "back home" long ago left behind? Domestic policy is too often ignored by many Muslims who are more concerned with Palestine, Iraq or any other place where Muslims are believed to have suffered injustice.

Part of the Muslim's failure to assimilate is the fact that, almost universally, they claim allegiance to Islam first over any nation, state or other entity. There are virtually no Muslim-Americans or Muslim-Britons - there are Muslims. Where they live is a matter of necessity to hear them explain it.

Frankly, I'm tired of the excuses that are used to explain why western nations are the target of these Islamic murderers. The reporter is afraid to condemn her religion as the primary source of today's mass murders, but she is beginning to get the picture. Islam, as she noted, is NOT the religion of peace as we are often told, it is the religion of "SUBMISSION".

Perhaps you should re-read that part - It is the religion of SUBMISSION

Have a good day.
25 posted on 07/26/2005 1:14:12 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
For those who say that we, the West, are responsible for Muslims going crazy, I say, BULL!!! Look at the recent events in Egypt where innocent tourists, mostly non-American, were slaughtered by murdering Muslims. These types of attacks have been going on for decades. Are the We-Are-Responsible-For-Their-Rage apologists saying that westerners should stay in their own countries and never travel to Muslim-dominated lands? Or have business dealings? What utter nonsense! Without the West, most Muslim countries would consist mostly of dates, goat herds, and a few palm trees.

Hey lefties and assorted right-wing isolationists: Pull your heads out of your anal cavities! They hate us and try to kill us because we are successes, and they are failures. They are unable to build modern, successful societies, so they try to destroy ones that are. It is the trademark of the vandal...not the oppressed. It's that simple.

26 posted on 07/26/2005 1:32:15 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: alloysteel
....The International Socialists used the same tactics in their quest for "world peace".

Think of Puerto Rican FALN terrorists (especially those Clinton pardoned).

Think of FARC terrorists based in Colombia.

Think of HILLARY in 2008.

"Hillary Clinton and the Radical Left": Hillary Clinton and the "Third Way" ***..........Like many New Left leaders whom the young Mrs. Clinton once followed (and who are her comrades today), I regarded myself in the 1960s as a socialist and a revolutionary. No matter what slogans we chanted, or ideals we proclaimed our agendas always extended beyond (and well beyond) the immediate issues of "civil rights" and "peace."

.....It is this same idea that is found in the Social Gospel which impressed the youthful Hillary Clinton at the United Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Illinois. She later encountered the same idea in the New Left at Yale and in the Venceremos Brigade in Communist Cuba, and in the writings of the New Leftist who introduced her to the "politics of meaning" even after she had become America's First Lady. It is the idea that drives her comrades in the Children's Defense Fund, the National Organization for Women, the Al Sharpton House of Justice and the other progressive causes which for that reason still look to her as a political leader.

For these self-appointed social redeemers, the goal-"social justice"-is not about rectifying particular injustices, which would be practical and modest, and therefore conservative. Their crusade is about rectifying injustice in the very order of things. "Social Justice" for them is about a world reborn, a world in which prejudice and violence are absent, in which everyone is equal and equally advantaged and without fundamentally conflicting desires. It is a world that could only come into being through a re-structuring of human nature and of society itself.

Even though they are too prudent and self-protective to name this future anymore, the post-Communist left still passionately believes it possible. But it is a world that has never existed and never will. Moreover, as the gulags and graveyards of the last century attest, to attempt the impossible is to invite the catastrophic in the world we know.

....Their cynicism flows from the very perception they have of right and wrong. They do it for higher ends. They do it for the progressive faith. They do it because they see themselves as having the power to redeem the world from evil. It is that terrifyingly exalted ambition that fuels their spiritual arrogance and justifies their sordid and, if necessary, criminal means.

......Conservatives who think progressives are misinformed idealists will forever be blind-sided by the malice of the left-by the cynicism of those who pride themselves on principle, by the viciousness of those who champion sensitivity, by the intolerance of those who call themselves liberal, and by the ruthless disregard for the well-being of the downtrodden by those who preen themselves as social saints. ..........***

27 posted on 07/26/2005 1:33:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DustyMoment
From the article: I'm sure it was also those dog-eared statements that our clerics and religious leaders read out telling us that Islam means peace — it actually means submission — and asking us to please forget everything they had ever said before July 6, because as of July 7 they truly believe violence is bad. Their backpedaling is so furious you can smell the skid marks.

I think a light bulb came on.

28 posted on 07/26/2005 1:36:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: King Prout
The only way it will be Medina instead of Mecca will be if there is vigorous public debate and it actually becomes accepted US policy.

One week? Try 8 hours... Can't see anyone being able to extend that deadline any further - if one US city is nuked, a quarter of the US population will likely lose a not so distant blood relative. If four cities are nuked, virtually everyone will have a blood relative dead - and they will want vengeance.

This HAS to be made clear ahead of time, or it will be some general sitting in Cheyenne Mountain who gets to pick the target and grant the reprisal. Our troops are extremely well trained to do their job - not to sit on their hands.
29 posted on 07/26/2005 1:40:06 AM PDT by kingu
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To: driftless

They just don't like what they see in themselves.

Developed nations are a glaring example of what they aren't.


30 posted on 07/26/2005 1:40:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kingu

...Mecca can be the Hiroshima, and Medina can be the Nagasaki.


31 posted on 07/26/2005 1:42:27 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (We're not vigilantes! We're undocumented Border Patrol agents!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I think a light bulb came on.

Yes, but it's only 25W of illumination from a 100W bulb.
32 posted on 07/26/2005 1:43:03 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: martin_fierro

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


33 posted on 07/26/2005 1:48:15 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: DustyMoment

It's a start.

Wattage will no doubt increase with time.


34 posted on 07/26/2005 1:48:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Pro-Bush
Mecca or Medina will be the first strike target, we'll take a deep breath, and then once NEST and the rest have submitted their preliminary data, the country that supplied the material will lose a number of cities equal to the number of cities we've lost. Then someone will kindly request that said country unconditionally surrender within a few hours.

It is the worst scenario that anyone can conceive of and I think it is not just highly unlikely, especially the concept that terrorists would actually get ahold of a functional nuke, but that they would use it on us vs their own favorite targets (Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.) It would not shock me if they themselves blew up Mecca to 'inflame' the Arab world.

The way these folks twist everything, you can't even begin to guess what they might do. Toss in the wacky North Koreans whom we keep feeding and the powder keg gets a fuse.
35 posted on 07/26/2005 1:49:03 AM PDT by kingu
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To: kingu
Wishful thinking, we need the oil, and we have American oil companies with billions invested in Saudi Arabia. There would need to be a very localized nuke if there will be one - can't harm the infrastructure, and need a new leadership to boot!
36 posted on 07/26/2005 1:54:08 AM PDT by Pro-Bush (We're not vigilantes! We're undocumented Border Patrol agents!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I raise these questions because London might have done it for me, but I'm not done with Islam. The clerics and the terrorists will not take it away from me. God belongs to me, too.

Some people are born stupid. Allah commands terrorism, theft, rape, torture and lying. God commands forgiveness, love, faithfulness to your family and moral responsibility. If you cannot tell the difference between Satan and God, you deserve what you get.

37 posted on 07/26/2005 1:57:58 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Pro-Bush
Lucky for us, the oil is mostly on the other side of the country. But that aside, I don't think that anyone fully understands just how committed this country can become; or at least only those who ran the militaries of Japan or Germany might understand.

If you galvanize the American people - and a nuclear weapon would indeed do so - the country could cut oil use by a third in a matter of days.

How many tens of thousands of units of blood were destroyed because we just couldn't use them after 9/11? I think it was around 250k extra. Blood sacrifices for 3,000 people.

Thankfully, this nightmare is likely never to happen. Or better put: it better NOT happen. Because the fall out will not just be nuclear.
38 posted on 07/26/2005 2:00:09 AM PDT by kingu
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To: American in Israel
Outlook on Extremism: Pew survey finds drop in support for terror - support for democracy is rising
39 posted on 07/26/2005 2:25:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And for those non-Muslims who accept the George Bush excuse, I have a question: Do you think Muslims are incapable of accepting responsibility? It is racist — or at least in some way bigoted — to think that Muslims can only react violently.

I'm not one of those who accept the blame Bush excuse, but I can answer the question. It's not racist or bigoted to think muslims are incapable of accepting responsibility...it's borne out by the facts. When 88 people are blown up in Egypt the arab media blamed Israel...and yet Egypt are hunting muslims...so how good is the arab media and the large segment of muslim society who watch and believe it accepting responsibility for the actions of muslims?

40 posted on 07/26/2005 3:34:15 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is the Houston Chronicle now getting its talking points directly from Hillary "Let's Talk Tough" Clinton?


41 posted on 07/26/2005 3:36:04 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: highlander_UW

The pressure on them is growing.

It isn't just the U.S. anymore.

Spain rolled over so easily, no one even considers them worth talking about.


42 posted on 07/26/2005 3:40:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: stocksthatgoup

Maybe there's been a change in management.


43 posted on 07/26/2005 3:41:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DoughtyOne

The biggest dams still start breaking with the formation of a tiny crack. The fact that some few are starting to speak out publicly is good, but there's a heck of a lot of water behind Islam's dam.


44 posted on 07/26/2005 3:56:14 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: DoughtyOne
...it serves those who would seek to destroy Islam, far more than those who profess the disire to protect it.

Well, there is an excuse I'm done with, too: the "Terrorism is an abomination of Islam" one.

It is not. Terrorism, misogyny and other pleasures are the direct and natural consequences of Islam, an evil ideology that must be destroyed.

What a ridiculous idea would it be to "protect" and "reform" Nazism! It was destroyed as it should be... and what the heck is the difference when we speak of Islam?!

45 posted on 07/26/2005 4:00:01 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: highlander_UW
It's not racist or bigoted to think muslims are incapable of accepting responsibility...

Agree with you... 99%. The only addition I'd like to make is the following: race has nothing to do with the matter of Islam whatsoever.

There are Mohammedans belonging to every race (Negroes, Mongoloids, Caucasians etc.) and nation on earth, as well followers of other ideologies, good or evil.

Using of race card in this regard is indeed bigotry par excellence. It's a fashionable liberal curse, nothing more.

46 posted on 07/26/2005 4:12:04 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: driftless
Are the... apologists saying that westerners should stay in their own countries and never travel to Muslim-dominated lands?

I'm not an apologist for Mohammedans and am certainly no appeaser... I just wonder why one would like to visit the stinky, sticky hot, dusty cesspools - the so called "Muslim-dominated lands"?

Especially in our post-colonial times, when the destruction of the sewage system as the most hated inheritance from the West is the best symbol of the decolonisation process....

47 posted on 07/26/2005 4:31:21 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I fine piece of writing by someone who finally gets it.
48 posted on 07/26/2005 5:30:34 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

Bump!


49 posted on 07/26/2005 5:32:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Neophyte

I'm not keen on going there (would like to see the pyramids however), but I know others who have, and enjoyed it. In fact I have in-laws who live in Dubai and think that it's ok. I just believe that wherever one goes in the world, he or she should not have to worry about extremists killing them because they're foreigners or not members of the same religion.


50 posted on 07/26/2005 7:23:37 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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