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'Pulsa denura' invoked against Sharon
Jerusalem Post ^ | July 26, 2005 | Yaakov Katz

Posted on 07/26/2005 9:33:31 AM PDT by Alouette

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21 posted on 07/26/2005 10:52:54 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Sabramerican

Does Sharon think he can lock everbody up? If so, start with the terrorist palesimians!


22 posted on 07/26/2005 10:53:17 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Alouette

Twenty thousand plus protesting the withdrawl the other day, and now they'll be defined as terrorist equivalents by the press and some Freepers by the actions of twenty.


23 posted on 07/26/2005 11:03:19 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: sgtbono2002

"It sounds more like VooDoo."

African animism and human sacrifice, all rolled into a peculiar symbolism derived from Catholic belief? Hardly.


24 posted on 07/26/2005 11:11:35 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Alouette

I don't think he deserves to drop dead, I think he deserves for his government to fall. Same with Blair and every other government that sucks up to terrorists. Same with Bush, but I'm afraid we're stuck with him. We can marginalize and make him a lame duck though.


25 posted on 07/26/2005 11:14:34 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: SJackson

The press defines the entire Nation of Israel as Terrorist Equivalents.

I support the resistors. THEN I support Israel. I support the falling of the government of the disgraced traitor Sharon and his replacement with someone who is willing to stand up to the United States and fight the Palestinian garbage who would destroy the Homeland. This is ridiculous.


26 posted on 07/26/2005 11:19:05 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: johnb838
I support the falling of the government of the disgraced traitor Sharon and his replacement with someone who is willing to stand up to the United States and fight the Palestinian garbage who would destroy the Homeland. This is ridiculous.

That takes a simple majority vote in the Knesset. Thus far it's not there.

27 posted on 07/26/2005 11:20:17 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: johnb838

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon

I don't know what Sharon is up to, but I do know that the man has been a patriot and has spent virtually his entire life fighting, sometimes ruthlessly, for Israel. He began at age 14.

Whatever his plan, I am convinced it is for the good of Israel, perhaps just an opportunity to concentrate a bunch of terrorists and nuke them out of existence.

He is neither a coward nor an appeaser.

This is one tough old coot, and his people should unite behind him.


28 posted on 07/26/2005 11:24:52 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: verity
Wing nuts are forever wing nuts.

You seem to be an expert on wingnuts.

Let me ask you this: If you were an Israeli, just how would you feel about your president forking over land to the very people that have vowed to kill you?

I'm one disgusted Catholic commenting on this abomination.

29 posted on 07/26/2005 11:41:41 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (UR 0wN3D: USSC-2005)
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To: Jedidah
This is one tough old coot, and his people should unite behind him.

Absolutely. I think that a casino in Gaza would make him and his cronies a lot of big money. That'll bring some unity; especially in his bank account.

30 posted on 07/26/2005 11:52:25 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: SJackson
For those who are interested.
31 posted on 07/26/2005 11:53:00 AM PDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Jedidah

Obviously he has a little more time. Benedict Arnold was the greatest hero of the American Revolution. He is only remembered for being a traitor. But he was a HUGE hero, bigger than Washington.

I go back and forth on Arik. Sometimes I think he's going to pull off a huge coup here. Other times I think that if he thinks he's going to acheive anything by giving up territory that Jews have bought with their blood he is mad.

Today I am tending toward mad.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 11:54:11 AM PDT by johnb838 (Turn The Tables, Terrorize The Terrorists.)
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To: E Rocc
Shin Bet doesn't have to discredit the ultra-nationalists. They do a pretty good job on their own.

Precisely. This is way outside the mainstream of Israeli thinking and even of Orthodox Jewish thinking. To wish Sharon dead... I don't even wish ill on Yossi Beilin or Yossi Sarid. I just wish them an early and enjoyable retirement outside of Israeli political life. I feel the same way about Benny Elon and Avigdor Lieberman. A nice, peaceful retirement.

33 posted on 07/26/2005 12:00:03 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
If you were an Israeli, just how would you feel about your president forking over land to the very people that have vowed to kill you?

I am an Israeli so I will answer this. It's their land, not ours. Over a million hostile Arabs live there. Prior to 1948 there was almost no Jewish population there at all. There had never been a significant Jewish population there through much of history. Yes, it is part of the promised land and we will have it when moshiach comes. For now, though, to keep 6,000 Jews isolated in the midst of so many Arabs simply does not make sense. We need secure borders.

34 posted on 07/26/2005 12:02:52 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: Jedidah

Thank you. I wish more people knew what the Prime Minister has done for Israel over the years. He is doing what makes sense in strategic terms. He is ever the old General.


35 posted on 07/26/2005 12:06:41 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: SJackson

I read the PDF, thanks for the link. So, either there actually is someone who received oral instruction on how to perform this Pulsa D'Nora, or there is not, according to the author. This makes the following, from the original post, more interesting:

"All 20, including Yosef Dayan - who instigated the same curse several months prior to the assassination of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin - assembled at the gravesite, which is located near Safed.'

Dayan - any connection to Moishe Dayan? If this claim, that Yosef Dayan "instigated" this Pulsa D'Nora months prior to the death of Yitzhak Rabin, is accurate, then accordingly he has been judged as righteous, else he would have brought death upon himself. Or, he could be lying. Or, the religion is false. One of the three. I'll reject the latter out of hand, and will say that if he is lying, he has deceived some very devout and outspoken people.


36 posted on 07/26/2005 12:08:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Sabramerican
1Samuel 7:8 And the children of Israel said to Samuel, Cease NOT to cry unto the LORD our God for us, that HE WILL SAVE US out of the hand of the Philistines.

2Samuel 22:7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and HE DID HEAR MY VOICE out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.
37 posted on 07/26/2005 12:19:58 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel. 1Kings6:13)
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To: anotherview
Shin Bet doesn't have to discredit the ultra-nationalists. They do a pretty good job on their own.

Precisely. This is way outside the mainstream of Israeli thinking and even of Orthodox Jewish thinking. To wish Sharon dead... I don't even wish ill on Yossi Beilin or Yossi Sarid. I just wish them an early and enjoyable retirement outside of Israeli political life. I feel the same way about Benny Elon and Avigdor Lieberman. A nice, peaceful retirement.

. I'm not certain, but I'm about 99% sure that if you do something like this in the US towards the President, you get to have a chat with the Secret Service. I am certain that if this was Muslims, we'd be hearing all sorts of comments about the "religion of peace".

-Eric

38 posted on 07/26/2005 12:22:36 PM PDT by E Rocc (Nuking Mecca in response to Al Qaeda is like nuking Karl Marx's grave in response to communists)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I have sufficient expertise to suspect you are a wingnut.


39 posted on 07/26/2005 12:23:17 PM PDT by verity (Big Dick Durbin is still a POS)
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To: E Rocc
"To wish Sharon dead"

If the description in the PDF link is correct, to call this a death wish is simplistic. It's actually more of a plea for immediate judgment upon an individual viewed as a threat, a traitor. The consequence, if the individual doing the entreating is wrong, i e divine judgment finds the subject of Pulsa D'Nora to be righteous, then judgment befalls the plaintiff (for lack of a better word). Assuming one actually believes this, it is no minor undertaking, because if you're wrong, you yourself are dead.
40 posted on 07/26/2005 12:29:32 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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