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Study shows circumcision may reduce AIDS risk
Reuters ^ | Jul 26 | Andrei Khalip

Posted on 07/26/2005 3:33:57 PM PDT by Selkie

Circumcising men can help protect them from the AIDS virus, researchers said on Tuesday after finishing the first study that tried using the procedure specifically to prevent infection.

But United Nations health officials cautioned that more trials were necessary before they would recommend this as a method to protect against AIDS.

The circumcised men were 65 percent less likely to become infected with the deadly and incurable virus, the researchers told the International AIDS Society Conference in Rio de Janeiro.

Several studies have suggested that men who are circumcised have a lower rate of HIV infection. This has been especially noticeable in some parts of Africa, where some groups are routinely circumcised while neighboring groups are not.

Researchers believe circumcision helps to cut infection risk because the foreskin is covered in cells that the virus seems able to easily infect. The virus may also survive better in a warm, wet environment like that found beneath a foreskin.

Bertran Auvert of the French National Research Agency INSERM and colleagues tested more than 3,000 uninfected men aged 18-24 South Africa's Guateng province, where 32 percent of adults are infected.

Some of the men were circumcised at the start of the trial while others had the procedure after 21 months. At the end of the trial, researchers registered 69 HIV cases, and only 18 of them were in the men who were circumcised at the start.

"It shows that the intervention (circumcision) prevented between six and seven out of 10 possible infections," said Auvert, noting that although the protection rate was high it was only partial.

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KEYWORDS: aids; circumcision; goodcut; hiv; safesex
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1 posted on 07/26/2005 3:34:01 PM PDT by Selkie
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To: Selkie

Thats kinda like saying that since you are going to drive your car into a bridge abuttment at 80mph anyway grow your hair longer and you'll have a better chance of surviving a serious head injury
thanks to the extra padding.


2 posted on 07/26/2005 3:38:22 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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To: Selkie
Wow. Look anywhere except at personal responsibility.
3 posted on 07/26/2005 3:39:00 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Selkie

It makes sense that there would be less disease transmission without the, er, holding area for germs. However, the obvious prevention would be not having sex with infected men!


4 posted on 07/26/2005 3:40:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Selkie
It stands to reason. The foreskin of an uncircumcised dolphin makes a great home for all sorts of bad things. This is especially true when it's used to do "perfectly normal and socially acceptable things", such as prodding around in feces.
5 posted on 07/26/2005 3:41:25 PM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats are motivated mainly and perhaps almost wholly on envy.)
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To: Selkie

"Study shows circumcision may reduce AIDS risk"

So does abstinence, but that's too complicated, I guess.


6 posted on 07/26/2005 3:44:01 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Selkie

"Adult circumcision can be performed under local or regional anesthesia. Medical indications for this procedure include phimosis, paraphimosis, recurrent balanitis and posthitis (inflammation of the prepuce). Nonmedical reasons may be social, cultural, personal or religious.

The procedure is commonly performed using either the dorsal slit or the sleeve technique. The dorsal slit is especially useful in patients who have phimosis.

The sleeve technique may provide better control of bleeding in patients with large subcutaneous veins. A dorsal penile nerve block, with or without a circumferential penile block, provides adequate anesthesia.

Informed consent must be obtained. Possible complications of adult circumcision include infection, bleeding, poor cosmetic results and a change in sensation during intercourse.



It is important to provide the patient with adequate information about the procedure ahead of time. Specifically, the patient should be told about the risks of bleeding, hematoma formation, infection, inadvertent damage to the glans, removal of too much or too little skin, aesthetically unpleasing results and a change of sensation during intercourse.

The patient should also be informed that, during the postoperative period, erections can cause pain and disruption of the suture line that may require replacement of the sutures. Full recovery following circumcision generally requires four to six weeks of abstinence from all genital stimulation and sexual activity.



http://www.aafp.org/afp/990315ap/1514.html


(Seems to me, just the threat of adult circumcision would cut back on the activity which causes AIDS.)


7 posted on 07/26/2005 3:44:38 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@But I'm Not A Guy.com)
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To: Tax-chick
It makes sense that there would be less disease transmission without the, er, holding area for germs. However, the obvious prevention would be not having sex with infected men! >>>>>>

Yes that would be nice, but hey you could even marry a guy and only have sex with him, but if he's having an affair on the side you could still get HIVif he picked up from his affair.

I know two kids who were church going virgins until marriage and then he slept around on his wife.

Im a control freak so Im all about lowering odds of bad stuff happening.

For me this just proves my attitude that uncut men are turn off due to their "holding area" as you put it. ROFL

8 posted on 07/26/2005 3:46:09 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Selkie
I would venture a guess that, and I'm speaking in VERY general terms here, a circumcised male is that way due to the conservative, traditional Judeo-Christian values of his parents or at least his community, and would have a tendency to be raised with those values and even if having sex outside a traditional marriage, would be more prone to do so in a more monogamistic or longer term relationship.

Granted the study indicates that circumcised males are less likely to be infected when exposed, but it would be my surmise that on the whole, in this day and age, the circumcised male is less likely to be exposed in the first place.

9 posted on 07/26/2005 3:47:53 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Selkie
if he's having an affair on the side you could still get HIV if he picked up from his affair

Good point. And I agree with your aesthetic evaluation, too. ICK!

10 posted on 07/26/2005 3:48:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: YaYa123
A friend's dad has bad diabetes and he was circumisized at 60 years old as a heath precaution.

The joke is is that he and his wife are actually happy wiht the end result(s)

Tee hee

11 posted on 07/26/2005 3:49:08 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: YaYa123
"Adult circumcision can be performed under local or regional anesthesia

I predict a bunch of gay guys showing up in the emergency rooms with blody shorts when this gets well known.

12 posted on 07/26/2005 3:49:49 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Selkie

bump!


13 posted on 07/26/2005 3:51:06 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Tax-chick

You're just intolerant to men who want to sleep around with other males!


14 posted on 07/26/2005 3:51:29 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| Since 10/10/04)
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To: Selkie
Why stop there?

I'M JUST KIDDING!!!

It was just so obvious that I had to bite.

;-)

15 posted on 07/26/2005 3:53:03 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
All of my parents hippie friends were circumicised, all my younger wild friends were circumcised.

That doesn't make a difference in my social sphere to be honest.

The only guys I've ever known of who weren't circumcised were ALL europeans.

their attitude was that we Americans are barbaric to cut anyone.

Id loved to throw this new research in their faces

In fact Im faxing this story to my cousins in Ireland, Wales and France.

16 posted on 07/26/2005 3:55:30 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Selkie

Are they dishing it out, or taking it?


17 posted on 07/26/2005 3:57:51 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Selkie

You haven't known many Catholic Americans, have you?


18 posted on 07/26/2005 3:59:40 PM PDT by tiamat ("Drink your drink, Laddie, and never mind the Klingon!")
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To: Selkie
"All of my parents hippie friends were circumicised, all my younger wild friends were circumcised. That doesn't make a difference in my social sphere to be honest. "

Which is why I prefaced my remarks by stating that I was speaking in very general terms. I was clipped at birth, but other than that have spent little time studying the practice or the demographics. I do know that amongst parents in my age group (mid 30's) the vast majority of those who continue to advocate it do so for religious or at least traditional reasons, and tend to be more stable couples. Do I have numbers or stats? Nope...which is also why I tried to articulate that this was my guess and only that...

19 posted on 07/26/2005 4:02:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: tiamat
What does that have to do with anything ? ROFL

Actually Im Catholic, my BF is Catholic and I went to Catholic school thank you very much.

20 posted on 07/26/2005 4:04:02 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Selkie

What a crock.

Abstinence is a pretty good way to reduce AIDS.


21 posted on 07/26/2005 4:06:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

See post #4


22 posted on 07/26/2005 4:08:07 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Selkie

WITHOUT being indelicate, most Catholic boys in this country did not USED to be circumciesed.

I had several male cousins, and none of them were.


23 posted on 07/26/2005 4:08:57 PM PDT by tiamat ("Drink your drink, Laddie, and never mind the Klingon!")
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To: Selkie

So does a "semi-circ" semi-reduce the effectiveness of the word "may"...

note "may"..same was said for spermacide...


24 posted on 07/26/2005 4:12:44 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: tiamat
I wonder where the demarcation point is
25 posted on 07/26/2005 4:17:43 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Asphalt

That's me ... intolerant!


26 posted on 07/26/2005 4:21:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Selkie

I have NO idea.

:-)

Most of my cousins are close to my age, 35 or older.... ( I'm 45 come September) Just Not the sort of thing you ask about over Thanksgiving or Easter dinner!


27 posted on 07/26/2005 4:23:08 PM PDT by tiamat ("Drink your drink, Laddie, and never mind the Klingon!")
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To: tiamat
WITHOUT being indelicate, most Catholic boys in this country did not USED to be circumciesed.

Say what? I'm 62 years old, Catholic all those years and been circumcised all those years (well almost all :). Catholic boys have been getting circumcised at least that long I would say.

28 posted on 07/26/2005 4:23:49 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: mc5cents

Well, apparently in my family, they did NOT.



Possibly regional difference?

Also, there was a REAL PUSH in the 60's to circumsize little boys for "health reasons", and there was nothing religieous about it. Just something the doctors and hospitals pushed for.



29 posted on 07/26/2005 4:26:32 PM PDT by tiamat ("Drink your drink, Laddie, and never mind the Klingon!")
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To: Selkie

A circumcised male that has his exposed head constantly rubbing against his clothing looses a significant ammount of it's sensation. Since naturally it came encased in the protective foreskin, once circumcised away the skin of glandular head toughens up to keep itself protected loosing sensitivity.


30 posted on 07/26/2005 4:35:46 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: Tax-chick

Transmission of HPV is also greatly reduced by circumcision. And since it's endemic, at least in the U.S. (with various studies showing between 60% and 75% of all women having had it at some point), and I think everywhere else too, this is not a small consideration. While most HPV strains are harmless, a few of them are responsible for over 99% of cervical cancer cases. And plenty of those cases are in women who never slept with anyone but their husband.


31 posted on 07/26/2005 4:38:42 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Joe 6-pack

Circumcision has been pretty routine in the U.S. for several decades until very recently. And combined with the fact that circumcision has also been shown to reduce HPV transmission, I doubt the "less likely to be exposed" theory holds water.


32 posted on 07/26/2005 4:42:56 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Tax-chick
However, the obvious prevention would be not having sex with infected men!

The risk of transmission from a female to a male in the US seems to be very low. However, it appears in Africa, there are a lot of men who get the virus through heterosexual sex. Some countries have up to 40% of the adult population with HIV, and it's hard to see how that would happen without plenty of heterosexual transmission. I have read claims that there is a lot of homosexual activity in Africa; but studies show that the fraction of the male population that is homosexual is something like 2%, at least in Europe and the US. So I think it is wise to conclude that heterosexual transmission of HIV in Africa is very real, Michael Fumento (The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS) not withstanding.

33 posted on 07/26/2005 4:46:01 PM PDT by megatherium
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To: Jaysun
when it's used to do "perfectly normal and socially acceptable things", such as prodding around in feces.

Oooo...never heard it put quite that way. LOL

34 posted on 07/26/2005 4:47:58 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Caipirabob
Look anywhere except at personal responsibility.

Not everybody has a one dimensional mindset.

The article confirms that there are many more factors involved in contracting or transmitting AIDS than simply personal responsibility.

35 posted on 07/26/2005 4:48:03 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: diverteach

Well theyve still got their frenulum to have fun with.


36 posted on 07/26/2005 4:49:01 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: Selkie
preemptive breast removal may prevent breast cancer in those having the procedure.
37 posted on 07/26/2005 4:50:21 PM PDT by disclaimer
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To: Selkie
During my last trip to Perth, West Australia, I learned the code in Australianese...

If you've been 'done', you're a "Roundhead"....if you're au naturel, you're a "Cavalier".

Note: source of this knowledge not to be considered suspect! Chit-chat with several couples around a few bottles of W.A. white wine.

38 posted on 07/26/2005 4:53:17 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: diverteach
"A circumcised male that has his exposed head constantly rubbing against his clothing looses a significant ammount of it's sensation. Since naturally it came encased in the protective foreskin, once circumcised away the skin of glandular head toughens up to keep itself protected loosing sensitivity."

Precisely why many of us have opted for more form-fitting attire...


39 posted on 07/26/2005 4:53:17 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: ErnBatavia
""Roundhead"...."Cavalier"

LOL...I've always heard the difference referred to as "Turtlenecks" and "Ant Eaters."

40 posted on 07/26/2005 4:55:01 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: disclaimer

WHAT ???????????

Are you actually comparing circumcision to cancer ?

41 posted on 07/26/2005 4:55:53 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: disclaimer

WHAT ???????????

42 posted on 07/26/2005 4:55:59 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: megatherium
Africa has some ingrained cultural practices that would send any civilized women running screaming from the room when she heard of them.

Female circumcision is only the start.

Any study in Africa is only applicable to Africa. You don't see lubrication inhibitors for sale in American drug stores (not labeled as such anyhow).

43 posted on 07/26/2005 4:57:38 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Joe 6-pack

Aren't most Aussie guys uncut ?


44 posted on 07/26/2005 4:57:47 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: megatherium

Interesting points. There's a lot of conflicting information regarding AIDS in Africa, and I think all of it has be considered with some doubt, given the state of medical care and statistics-gathering in most countries.


45 posted on 07/26/2005 4:57:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Selkie

No he's comparing AIDs to cancer and circumcision to mastectomy.


46 posted on 07/26/2005 4:59:59 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Selkie

I have no way, reason or desire to know....


47 posted on 07/26/2005 5:00:38 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Yep - the collar "about covers it"...


48 posted on 07/26/2005 5:00:57 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: ErnBatavia

ROFL


49 posted on 07/26/2005 5:06:39 PM PDT by Selkie ("It is indeed a desirable thing to be well-descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors." -- P)
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To: diverteach

There seem to be a lot of "studies" that claim to indicate that circumcision has positive heath benefits. The truth is as long as you teach your kids to keep things clean and have responsible sex there is no difference (health wise).


50 posted on 07/26/2005 5:09:35 PM PDT by Oniolover
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