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Breast-feeding mom demands apology for indecent exposure ticket
GJsentinel ^ | July 28, 2005 - 11:33 p.m

Posted on 07/30/2005 8:15:50 AM PDT by Asphalt

FORT COLLINS, Colo. — Never mind officials voiding a $50 ticket for indecent exposure, or an explanation from county officials that a ranger who issued the citation to the breast-feeding mother was inexperienced.

Dorian Ryan said she wants an apology for what she called a "humiliating and degrading" experience.

"This isn't right. Women shouldn't be harassed for breast-feeding their children," Dorian Ryan said.

Colorado lawmakers agree. A law passed last year gives women the right to breast feed anywhere she's allowed to be in public.

Ryan, 43, was ticketed for indecent exposure July 14 when she breast fed her son at the Carter Lake swim beach in Larimer County. She was shielded from view by two umbrellas and a towel.

An inexperienced park ranger mistakenly issued the ticket, said Dan Rieves, manager of the Blue Mountain District, which oversees the beach. Park officials have voided the ticket.

Rieves, who has been in contact with Ryan, said a written apology would be sent Friday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: apologizethis; blahblahblah; breastfeeding; co; donutwatch; dorianryan; mmmmtittymmm; shutupwhiner; who
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1 posted on 07/30/2005 8:15:51 AM PDT by Asphalt
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To: Asphalt

People who demand apologies have lost my respect.


2 posted on 07/30/2005 8:16:45 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Asphalt

3 posted on 07/30/2005 8:19:08 AM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Tax-chick

At least she isn't suing.


4 posted on 07/30/2005 8:20:17 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: Tax-chick

What is it with our culture that it has become so fixated on apologies?

A heavily coerced apology isn't worth much: an apology is more meaningful when voluntary (not browbeaten), when the person realizes they have done wrong, and when sincere.


5 posted on 07/30/2005 8:20:52 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Tax-chick

What should people do when they are falsely arrested or fined? An apology's cheaper than a civil suit.


6 posted on 07/30/2005 8:21:24 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: Politicalmom

Maybe she will, if the apology isn't florid enough. (I'm guessing the park ranger was a very young male :-)


7 posted on 07/30/2005 8:21:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: HitmanNY

Sincerety isn't the point. The goal is to humiliate the offender.


8 posted on 07/30/2005 8:22:07 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: Sloth

All the more reason to not apologize when browbeaten. ;-)


9 posted on 07/30/2005 8:23:10 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Tax-chick
People who demand apologies have lost my respect.

I would expect an apology rather than demand one.

The ranger who would ticketed the woman for breast feeding with a towel covering herself is either poorly trained or political correct zombie.

Zero tolerance negates the concept of common sense or he's simply a moronic jerk

10 posted on 07/30/2005 8:23:41 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Sloth
What should people do when they are falsely arrested or fined?

If one suffered economic damages, then a civil suit is appropriate, if necessary, to recover the loss.

In this case, the fine was cancelled; the adult response, in my opinion, is to just shrug and get on with life. Everyone's been involved in a nuisance situation of some kind ... why make a hugh ego demonstration over it?

11 posted on 07/30/2005 8:24:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Popman

Yes, I would expect an apology, too, but whether one arrives or not does not change anything that happened. As I said in #7, I expect the ranger was a boy :-).


12 posted on 07/30/2005 8:26:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: HitmanNY
This would be my sincere apology:


13 posted on 07/30/2005 8:26:40 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Crush! Kill! Destroy the heathen!)
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To: HitmanNY
What is it with our culture that it has become so fixated on apologies?

It's the whole "thought control" thing ... outcome-based education, "hate" crimes, etc. It's not enough for some people to address and (if necessary) punish wrong actions. They have to make sure everyone has the correct feelings.

14 posted on 07/30/2005 8:27:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

I agree. Still, it's so strange to me. I have never felt the need to get on someone's case for an apology.

I figure a person's words and actions tell me who they are, or at least an aspect of who they are. If they do wrong in my judgment, I note it.

If they realize they are wrong and apologize, very good.

To heavily solicit an apology from anybody tends to give them, and their opinion, way too much credit in my book.


15 posted on 07/30/2005 8:29:50 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: Asphalt
""This isn't right. Women shouldn't be harassed for breast-feeding their children," Dorian Ryan said."

You're absolutely right about that honey, but women who breastfeed in public should be harrassed, because they use this as an excuse to bear their breasts in public.

Recently I was having coffee and a sandwich in an Au bon Pain restaurant. A young mother with infant exited her SUV with darkened windows and came into the place. She sat down with her drink and her baby, and proceeded to take out her dripping breast and feed the baby in front of all the patrons. This is just patently WRONG. She could have just as easily fed the baby in the privacy of her SUV.

16 posted on 07/30/2005 8:30:16 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Ubran II, 1097AD)
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To: Tax-chick
why make a hugh ego demonstration over it?

The cult of victimology is everywhere.

17 posted on 07/30/2005 8:32:02 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: TheCrusader

Which part of "She was shielded from view by a towel and two umbrellas" did you not comprehend?


18 posted on 07/30/2005 8:33:13 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: Tax-chick
In this case, the fine was cancelled; the adult response, in my opinion, is to just shrug and get on with life.

This encourages future abuses, IMO... sort of like letting your kids get away with disobeying, so long as they don't cause tangible damage.

19 posted on 07/30/2005 8:33:38 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: TheCrusader
You're absolutely right about that honey, but women who breastfeed in public should be harrassed, because they use this as an excuse to bear their breasts in public.

People who bare their lack of spelling ability should likewise be harassed in public.
20 posted on 07/30/2005 8:33:59 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: TheCrusader

I want to know what the age for breast feeding in public is (at 50 I sometimes feel the urge and dont want any trouble and can you get a double like in a bar)


21 posted on 07/30/2005 8:34:19 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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She was shielded from view by two umbrellas and a towel.

Ryan has since decided to forego the umbrellas and towel


Maria J. Avila © News

Dorian Ryan, of Berthoud, breast-feeds her 1-year-old son, Jimmie Tacy, during her usual Thursday visit to Carter Lake. Ryan was issued a $50 ticket for public indecency by a ranger for breast-feeding in public on July 14. The ticket has since been dismissed.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3962606,00.html

Breast-feeding mom ticketed
Citation dismissed; law passed last year guarantees her right

By Bianca Prieto, Rocky Mountain News
July 29, 2005

Since 1-year-old Jimmie Tacy was born, he has known one steady source of nutrition - his mother's breast.

Because he refuses to drink from a bottle, his mom, Dorian Ryan, breast-feeds him, even in public.

That was never a problem until July 14, when Ryan was issued a $50 summons and complaint at Carter Lake in Larimer County for "knowingly (exposing) one's genitals in a public place."

"I was horrified," said Ryan, 41. "It made me stop breast-feeding my kid."

But the law was on her side. Last year, legislators passed a bill that states "a mother may breast-feed in any place she has a right to be."

Ryan said that a week before she was ticketed, rangers approached her and asked her to stop breast-feeding or they would cite her for indecent exposure. They implied that she was violating a Larimer County Parks and Open Lands regulation for having her breast exposed.

"I had no intention of stopping," Ryan said. "I have the kind of kid who won't take a bottle. I don't have a choice."

The next week, the Berthoud woman made sure she was fully covered when she breast-fed.

"I made a cave for myself out of umbrellas," Ryan said.

She said she placed a 4-foot-wide beach umbrella behind her, and another one above her. Wearing a man's sleeveless shirt over her swimsuit, she sat down to feed her child. Other families sat along the beach, and she thought she went unnoticed.

But rangers with binoculars were stationed on a cliff about 100 yards away, she said, and she was ticketed that day.

"I could not have been more discreet than I was," Ryan said. "They were waiting for this to happen."

Ryan complied, but she was upset. She called park officials and asked that the charges be thrown out and that an apology be issued.

On July 16, Dan Rieves, park manager at Carter Lake, agreed and told Ryan and her husband, Mitch Tacy, that the complaint would be dismissed and that they would receive a letter of apology.

By Thursday, the couple had received neither, but they did get a phone call from Rieves, saying that the documents were being reviewed by the county's legal department and would be sent soon, Tacy said.

Rieves said that "poor judgment was used in issuing the ticket."

"I had no problem in dismissing the ticket," he said. "We agree the ticket was groundless and it should have never been written."

The employee who issued it has been with the department since May and is a temporary summer employee, Rieves said. The female employee was reminded of what actions merit citations, Rieves said.

Tacy, an attorney, called the ranger's actions "degrading" but said that he and his wife were particularly angry because the ranger's supervisor was present when she wrote the ticket.

Instead of intervening, the supervisor, also a woman, warned Ryan that she would be booted from the beach if she was caught breast-feeding again, Tacy said.

Rieves could not be reached late Thursday for comment on the supervisor's role.

A co-sponsor of the 2004 bill to allow breast-feeding in public said she is glad the law is in place.

"It was clearly needed; this just proves it," said former Rep. Pam Rhodes, R-Thornton.

Ryan feels the incident happened for a reason. She wants to help educate the public about breast-feeding laws.

"It would have been much more stressful if I didn't know I had the law on my side," Ryan said. "People should know that it is OK to breast-feed in public."

Mother's milk

COLORADO'S LAW

• "A mother may breast-feed in any place she has a right to be."

BY THE NUMBERS

• More than 83 percent of Colorado infants are breast-fed at least once.

• More than 45 percent of them are breast-fed at 6 months, and more than 21 percent are breast-fed at 12 months.

• Colorado is one of eight states where from 41 to 50 percent of children are breast-fed at 6 months. Source: The Center For Disease Control And Prevention, 2003

prietob@RockyMountainNews.com 303-892-5219

22 posted on 07/30/2005 8:34:45 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: drjimmy

All I know is that I always bear my breasts in public. : )


23 posted on 07/30/2005 8:34:56 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: TheCrusader

Sounds like somebody's on a crusade against breastfeeding.


24 posted on 07/30/2005 8:35:17 AM PDT by Augie76 (My vote sent Daschle back to Aberdeen)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
This would be my sincere apology:

Does your mommy know you are playing here?

25 posted on 07/30/2005 8:35:54 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Andy from Beaverton

LOL


26 posted on 07/30/2005 8:38:59 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (America is gradually becoming the Godless,out-of-control golden-calf scene,in "The Ten Commandments")
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To: Politicalmom
All I know is that I always bear my breasts in public. : )

I hope it's not too much of a burden.....or maybe I do.....I'd better just stop now.
27 posted on 07/30/2005 8:39:29 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: A.A. Cunningham
This is beyond amazing. She was ticketed for breastfeeding at beach where virtually every women is exposing what they have to world by wearing a bikini???????
28 posted on 07/30/2005 8:40:23 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: Asphalt

Obnoxo wimmin -- probably did deserve her ticket.


29 posted on 07/30/2005 8:41:41 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Sloth
What should people do when they are falsely arrested or fined?

This attitude and obnoxiousness indicates she was probabloy properly fined and it was well deserved.

30 posted on 07/30/2005 8:42:43 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: TheCrusader
With breast-pumps available, there is no need for anyone to bare their breasts in public.

As for demanding an apology, I am sick and tired of these apology tirades.

31 posted on 07/30/2005 8:43:50 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Politicalmom
All I know is that I always bear my breasts in public

You shouldn't repress these feelings, you need to express yourself and let it all out.

My luck to be so far from Georgia. {sigh}

32 posted on 07/30/2005 8:44:09 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Asphalt
Who are the morons who passed the law allowing breast feeding in public?

How would you like to be sitting in a restaurant and some woman at a nearby table whips out a boob to nurse her youngun?

Somebody was not thinking, here.

33 posted on 07/30/2005 8:46:40 AM PDT by Houmatt (Where can I get a T-shirt with Karla Homolka and a superimposed bullseye on it?)
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To: Politicalmom
At least she isn't suing

That will be step two on her road to justice

34 posted on 07/30/2005 8:47:31 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tax-chick

Actually the ranger was a female who was somewhat new on the job.

I think the story on the news here also stated that the woman was first given a warning, and came back the following week "determined to breast feed her child on the beach." Almost sounded like she was itching for a confrontation.


35 posted on 07/30/2005 8:48:01 AM PDT by Hischild
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To: HitmanNY

I don't understand why one would want an apology in such a case but I do believe that if people were to take more responsibility for their mistakes and simply apologize there would be less lawsuits. Instead they get a lawyer and then the lawyer tells them to not admit any fault and then the person who was insulted or harmed by accident gets further upset and gets another lawyer and the cycle escalates and who benefits the most from the resulting animus, the lawyers.


36 posted on 07/30/2005 8:48:32 AM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Nationalize legal representation then everyone gets the same or worse legal care.)
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To: Politicalmom
Which part of "She was shielded from view by a towel and two umbrellas" did you not comprehend?

That's not the point. There is a time and place for it, and right out in front of everybody is not it.

37 posted on 07/30/2005 8:49:04 AM PDT by Houmatt (Where can I get a T-shirt with Karla Homolka and a superimposed bullseye on it?)
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To: Popman
The ranger who ticketed the woman for breast feeding with a towel covering herself is either poorly trained or political correct zombie.

Unless she was a trouble-making hippy type who dropped her blouse exposing both breasts in plain view, just daring someone to object. I've seen it before. There are two sides to every story, I'd like to hear the ranger's side of this.

38 posted on 07/30/2005 8:49:59 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: Asphalt

A breast is a breast: not for public display, whether you're using it for feeding, salacious ends, or cleaning a windshield.

If she didn't expose it, she should not have been ticketed, and an apology is minimal and appropriate. If she did, and there was a law against it, she should have been ticketed, no apology.

OMO, YMMV

Dan


39 posted on 07/30/2005 8:50:40 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: drjimmy; TheCrusader; Tax-chick; Politicalmom

COLORADO'S LAW

• "A mother may breast-feed in any place she has a right to be."

Why are we so obsessed with breast, to the point where a woman is made to feel guilty about feeding a hungry baby in public? She was shielded from view, and all women I know use something to nurse discretely. What, would you rather see all babies bottle-fed, so the breast becomes sexual-only in nature, instead of nurturing? I nursed my daughter, and will nurse subsequent children. I had to nurse in public a few times, always stayed discreet, however there was once where my daughter decided to play peek a boo with the blanket...

Oh, and even in an SUV or minivan, it is hard to nurse because of limited space. and don't dare suggest a woman should nurse in a filthy bathroom to stay out of public view, unless you were willing to eat your meal there...


40 posted on 07/30/2005 8:51:15 AM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: Tax-chick

If more people who made mistakes and caused anguish for someone would take the time to sincerely apologise, there would be fewer lawsuits, IMO.


41 posted on 07/30/2005 8:51:39 AM PDT by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Is that kid a little big for a one-year old? Plus she has man hands.


42 posted on 07/30/2005 8:51:40 AM PDT by steveo (Member: Fathers Against Rude Television)
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To: Hischild

Oops - now that I've read the other article, I see she was trying to be discreet. Please disregard my comment about itching for a confrontation. :)


43 posted on 07/30/2005 8:52:30 AM PDT by Hischild
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To: Houmatt

Look away.


44 posted on 07/30/2005 8:53:13 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: A.A. Cunningham

That's a good size for a one year old!


45 posted on 07/30/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: steveo

That kid looks closer to 2 than 1.


46 posted on 07/30/2005 8:55:14 AM PDT by Hischild
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To: Dante3

I was a breastfeeding mom, and have you ever used a breast-pump??? they hurt, and they take forever. To get the effect, place a vacuum on your penis. Now leave it there for a half hour.

Why do some people have such a problem with nursing in public? AS LONG AS IT IS DONE DISCRETELY. I, and everyone I know, always nurse with covering, or in a nursing top so nothing is exposed. What is so wrong with that?


47 posted on 07/30/2005 8:55:49 AM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"I had no intention of stopping," Ryan said. "I have the kind of kid who won't take a bottle. I don't have a choice."

At one year the kid can eat real food. Time for solids and a sippy cup. I don't care if mom lays bare breasted on the beach and sprays milk into the air, the kid needs to learn to eat.

48 posted on 07/30/2005 8:56:52 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Asphalt
...that a ranger who issued the citation to the breast-feeding mother was inexperienced.

That should be the last "experience" that person has as a law enforcement officer.

49 posted on 07/30/2005 8:58:03 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Hischild

I don't blame the mother. Breast feeding is natural and should be accepted as long as a reasonable amount of modesty is practiced. I think it is ironic that a beach which is probably the most immodest place on earth outside of a strip club would become the site of a breastfeeding contraversy. I personally believe that the move away from breast feeding and towards a non-parent culture was one of the first steps towards the increasingly the increasingly vain and selfish generations we see today.


50 posted on 07/30/2005 8:58:38 AM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Nationalize legal representation then everyone gets the same or worse legal care.)
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