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To: MamaTexan
I'm saying State Citizens exist. "United State citizen" is NOWHERE to be found in the Federalist Papers, the Constitution, or anything else I've read.

How about the 14th Amendment???

Article XIV.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

93 posted on 08/01/2005 4:58:36 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar
How about the 14th Amendment??? Article XIV. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Good question!

It's not the citizen aspect of the 14th that is crucial, it's the use of the word *person*, as well as:

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

The jurisdiction of the United States government is enumerated in the Constitution itself:

Article 1, Section 8 paragraph 17-
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

So Congress has jurisdiction (authority) in Washington D.C., ports, military bases, and any property a State has given the federal government.

A Citizen of the united States is a citizen of a state....totally different that a 'United States citizen"

This has been affirmed by these decisions:

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"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
(Kitchens v. Steele 112 F.Supp 383).

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"... a construction is to be avoided, if possible, that would render the law unconstitutional, or raise grave doubts thereabout. In view of these rules it is held that `citizen' means `citizen of the United States,' and not a person generally, nor citizen of a State ..."
U.S. Supreme Court in US v. Cruikshank, 92 US 542:

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In 1887 the Supreme Court in Baldwin v. Franks 7 SCt 656, 662; 120 US 678, 690 found that:
"In the constitution and laws of the United States the word `citizen' is generally, if not always, used in a political sense ... It is so used in section 1 of article 14 of the amendments of the constitution ..."

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The US Supreme Court in Logan v. US, 12 SCt 617, 626:
"In Baldwin v. Franks ... it was decided that the word `citizen' .... was used in its political sense, and not as synonymous with `resident', `inhabitant', or `person' ..."

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14 CJS section 4 quotes State v. Manuel 20 NC 122:
"... the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."

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125 Fed 322, 325:
"The thirteenth amendment is a great extension of the powers of the national government."

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U.S. v. Rhodes, 27 Federal Cases 785, 794:
"The amendment [fourteenth] reversed and annulled the original policy of the constitution"

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Believe me, I am NOT happy living with the knowledge that my own government has stolen the birthright of freedom from generations of Americans, but it is the ONLY reasonable and logical explanation there is.

95 posted on 08/01/2005 5:36:21 PM PDT by MamaTexan ( I am not a *legal entity*, nor am I a ~person~ as created by law.)
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