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Armenian quest for lost orphans (Christians becoming Muslims)
bbc.co.uk ^ | Monday, 1 August 2005, 16:00 GMT 17:00 UK | Dorian Jones

Posted on 08/02/2005 7:26:32 AM PDT by Serpentor

Monday, 1 August 2005, 16:00 GMT 17:00 UK

Armenian quest for lost orphans

By Dorian Jones
Producer, Masterpiece, BBC World Service

Ninety years ago, hundreds of thousands of Armenians died in mass killings that still resonate through Turkey's social and political life.

Armenians say that up to 1.5m of their people were deported and died at the hands of the then Ottoman rulers of Turkey.

But it is believed that thousands of orphaned Armenian children were saved secretly by Turkish families.

Until now, the very existence of the children has remained largely an untold story, buried along with those who died between 1915 and 1916.

But the stories of those Armenian orphans are slowly being uncovered by their descendants. Turkish documentary maker Berke Bas is one of those people.

Family member Nahide Kaptan was saved in 1915 when she was nine years old. But uncovering the truth still remains a difficult and contentious issue.

What happened in 1915 still remains a hotly disputed subject. Armenia, along with the Armenian Diaspora, accuses the then Ottoman rulers of carrying out a "genocide". But Turkey disputes the charge, saying that a few hundred thousand died and that the deaths occurred in a civil war in which many Turks were also killed.

Kitchen hideout

Selim Deringil, a historian of the late Ottoman period at Istanbul's Bosphorus University, says "what you have is people talking at cross purposes and not really interested in what happened."

Professor Deringil himself fell victim to the controversy, being forced to postpone a conference on the subject earlier this year after intense government pressure.

The ongoing controversy can pose problems for those delving into the past.

Berke Bas, on returning to her birthplace - the Black Sea city of Ordu - admitted she had concerns.

"I am sure there will be people who will approach this with disdain, saying 'Why am I digging up this history?' So many families deny the fact they had Armenian family members."

According to Professor Deringil, such stories are not unusual. He says thousands of Armenian children were saved by Turkish families.

"We do know that it was on such a scale that the then rulers of the Ottoman Empire issued secret orders to punish families who saved Armenian children."

The first memory of Nahide for Berke was being told how she was hidden under the kitchen sink, when she first came to the family.

After speaking with relatives, Berke discovered that at least five Armenian children were taken in by both sides of her family.

But acknowledging Armenian ancestors within Turkish families still remains a taboo for many, according to the editor of the local newspaper.

"These children were brought up in Muslim families. This is the biggest issue, Christians becoming Muslims," he said.

"They don't see themselves as outsiders but they remain silent about their past, afraid. Now, as a Turk, a Muslim you say that your ancestors were Armenian then you are called a 'Gavur', you are without belief, without a soul, and you are an outcast."

'Stunning stories'

But despite the reluctance of many to talk about their Armenian ancestry, Berke discovered that Nahide had a brother who survived 1915 and eventually ended up in Istanbul. Although he has since died, it is believed his daughter is still alive.

Berke returned to Istanbul to try to find her. She visited Agos, a weekly Armenian newspaper.

Printing both in Turkish and Armenian, the paper seeks to be a bridge between the 60,000 Istanbul Armenians living in the city and wider Turkish society.

Agos editor Hrant Dink says he is inundated by requests from both Turkey and abroad to find Armenian relatives.

"The mails I receive, the e-mails, the phone enquiries! The people who knock on my door, they contact me every day," he said.

"There are so many people from here and from abroad. They learn that they have a past. They're looking for information, wanting history and references, looking for relatives. I am involved in it personally everyday. There are stunning examples, so many stories reaching me."

Masterpiece: The Little Girl Who Came In From The Cold can first be heard on BBC World Service at 0805GMT/0905BST on Tuesday 2 August 2005 or online at the Masterpiece website for the following 7 days.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armenia; armenians; genocide; turkey
There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of these "crypto-Christians" or "forced" Turks - non ethnic Turks who had to deny their ethnicity and Christianity to survive in the final years of the Ottoman empire and in Ataturk's new republic.
1 posted on 08/02/2005 7:26:33 AM PDT by Serpentor
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To: Serpentor
Wow. Thanks for the history lesson.


2 posted on 08/02/2005 7:30:47 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Serpentor
""There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of these "crypto-Christians" or "forced" Turks - non ethnic Turks who had to deny their ethnicity and Christianity to survive in the final years of the Ottoman empire and in Ataturk's new republic.""



Wait a second. Muslim families risk their own lives to save children of Armenians, take them into their homes, and raise them as their own- and your calling them "forced" Turks!

I'm not defending Islam in any way, but when you say "forced" them to become Muslim. What would you think of the young Jewish children saved and raised by Christian families during the Holoucaust. I wouldn't call it forced. They were adopted. They were saved.

I don't think that these Good people are part of the Islamic threat.
3 posted on 08/02/2005 7:53:24 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (I will never again read another thing by Christopher Hitchens !)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

The BBC is putting the best spin on it - the stories I have read is that the Turks practiced kidnapping of Christian children - see the historical account of the Janissaries.


4 posted on 08/02/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

It is a practice (Turkish or Islamic or both) that continues till this day when the Turks invaded Cyrpus. There are reports that children were taken and raised as Turks.


5 posted on 08/02/2005 8:13:04 AM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Serpentor

Thank you so much for this post.


6 posted on 08/02/2005 8:18:03 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: Serpentor
I wonder how many of the missing Armenian orphans were secretly placed with Armenian families. This happened with my sister's father-in-law.

His family was part of a group being driven out into the desert. They fell behind the main group and his family was killed when Turkish cavalry attacked the stragglers.

He and his brother were huddled together when a mounted soldier attacked with a sword. His brother was beheaded and he received a terrible neck wound and was knocked out by the blow. The volume of blood on the ground convinced the Turkish soldiers that both boys were dead.

He was discovered later that night by a Turkish woman. She sneaked him into her home and nursed him back to health. She then arranged to have him smuggled to Istanbul and then off to the US with an Armenian family.

I don't doubt that the majority of Armenian orphans stayed with their Turkish rescuers; however, if one could have been placed with Armenian parents in this way, then others could have too.
7 posted on 08/02/2005 8:46:54 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Redcloak

From some accounts I have read from the Greek Pontian genocide that happened around the same time as the Armenian one - Cherkessian Muslims (spelling?) - themselves recent converts to Islam as a population - saved many Christian lives. Cherkessian tribesmen lived side by side with Greeks and Armenians for hundreds of years so there was not the hostility and insecurity of being thrown out of their stolen land that the Turk - a recent invader - had.


8 posted on 08/02/2005 8:55:49 AM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Serpentor

Wonderful post. Thank you.


9 posted on 08/02/2005 9:01:51 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Serpentor

cicassian, i think.


10 posted on 08/02/2005 10:58:07 AM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog

Whatever the spelling - they are a fair Caucasian peoples much prized for their beuty by Muslim slavers in years past. I learned of them as a people when in the movie 'Lawrence of Arabia' Lawrence passed for a Circassian when he was selected from a line up to be sodomized by the Turkish pasha.


11 posted on 08/02/2005 11:02:14 AM PDT by Serpentor (go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Serpentor

Circassian - a member of a Caucasian people living in the Caucasus but not speaking an Indo-European language.

I first learned about these people from a Muslim in Jordan, and he told me that his grandfather, how was a Muslim, and was forced to leave the Caucasus region in 1890 in a railroad car, and they were deported to Jordan. He told me that the girls were very fair and prettty and that they got too much attention from the Jordanian men.


12 posted on 08/02/2005 12:16:58 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: tessalu
Circassians were the inspiration for the now disproved theory that "Caucasian" fair skinned people originated in Caucuses - but the designation of Caucasian remained.
13 posted on 08/02/2005 12:20:16 PM PDT by Serpentor (Go to www.jihadwatch.org for the truth!)
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To: Serpentor; Kolokotronis; kosta50

Ping!


14 posted on 08/02/2005 1:19:12 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Serpentor
Perhaps some Armenian children were raised by Kurds.

From Ambassador Morgenthau's Story, Chapter 24 (an account of the Armenian genocide):

"When the victims had travelled a few hours from their starting place, the Kurds would sweep down from their mountain homes. Rushing up to the young girls, they would lift their veils and carry the pretty ones off to the hills. They would steal such children as pleased their fancy and mercilessly rob all the rest of the throng. If the exiles had started with any money or food, their assailants would appropriate it, thus leaving them a hopeless prey to starvation. They would steal their clothing, and sometimes even leave both men and women in a state of complete nudity. All the time that they were committing these depradations the Kurds would freely massacre, and the screams of women and old men would add to the general horror. Such as escaped these attacks in the open would find new terrors awaiting them in the Moslem villages. ..."

15 posted on 08/02/2005 1:30:33 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Serpentor
link
16 posted on 08/02/2005 1:32:12 PM PDT by wideminded
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