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President Confuses Science and Belief, Puts Schoolchildren at Risk
American Geophysical Union ^ | 2 August 2005 | American Geophysical Union

Posted on 08/04/2005 10:31:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

WASHINGTON - "President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk," says Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union. "Americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world. It is essential that students on every level learn what science is and how scientific knowledge progresses."

In comments to journalists on August 1, the President said that "both sides ought to be properly taught." "If he meant that intelligent design should be given equal standing with the theory of evolution in the nation's science classrooms, then he is undermining efforts to increase the understanding of science," Spilhaus said in a statement. "'Intelligent design' is not a scientific theory." Advocates of intelligent design believe that life on Earth is too complex to have evolved on its own and must therefore be the work of a designer. That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

"Scientific theories, like evolution, relativity and plate tectonics, are based on hypotheses that have survived extensive testing and repeated verification," Spilhaus says. "The President has unfortunately confused the difference between science and belief. It is essential that students understand that a scientific theory is not a belief, hunch, or untested hypothesis."

"Ideas that are based on faith, including 'intelligent design,' operate in a different sphere and should not be confused with science. Outside the sphere of their laboratories and science classrooms, scientists and students alike may believe what they choose about the origins of life, but inside that sphere, they are bound by the scientific method," Spilhaus said.

AGU is a scientific society, comprising 43,000 Earth and space scientists. It publishes a dozen peer reviewed journal series and holds meetings at which current research is presented to the scientific community and the public.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; intelligentdesign; scienceeducation
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An important comment from an important mainstream scientific society.
1 posted on 08/04/2005 10:31:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping!


2 posted on 08/04/2005 10:32:05 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
"President Bush, in advocating that the concept of 'intelligent design' be taught alongside the theory of evolution, puts America's schoolchildren at risk,"

Like hell it does. By telling students there are different views about evolution it can only add to their education.

3 posted on 08/04/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Yeah, schoolchildren are at risk if they learn evolution may not be true. All children left behind - lol.


4 posted on 08/04/2005 10:34:09 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Right Wing Professor
The NEA puts Schoolchildren at Risk


5 posted on 08/04/2005 10:34:21 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Right Wing Professor

It's a very good article and cuts straight to the heart of the matter, in my opinion.

There's no need to encroach on the rights of parents to teach their children whatever religious beliefs they desire by forcing children to hear one particular religious belief being taught as science in the classroom. Especially when, as the article correctly indicates, the particular religious belief has no basis in science at all anyway.


6 posted on 08/04/2005 10:35:19 AM PDT by saFeather
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To: Right Wing Professor

Only 43,000? Come back when you have some real numbers.


7 posted on 08/04/2005 10:35:27 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: biblewonk

Ping. Get a load o' this.


8 posted on 08/04/2005 10:36:05 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Hey, I think Science is terrific. All for it.

Trouble is, if you don't believe in Intelligent Design, or at least acknowledge it's as valid as say, Relativity, then you've bought into the notion that the universe was created through CHANCE.

Natural selection, Evolution, Big Bang, whatever - you can't possibly be thinking clearly if you believe the universe was created and that we've arrived where we're at purely through random collisions of subatomic particles.

9 posted on 08/04/2005 10:36:09 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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"That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

I have a theory: all land animals are descended from animals that lived in the sea millions of years ago. Let's test my theory! Ohhhhhhh, wait. We can't really test that can we? All we can do is theorize based on accumulated evidence. But we can't test it.

I guess Evolution can't qualify as a scientific theory. But some folks have a lot of faith in evolution. I guess people believe what they want, and if someone's Faith is centered on Evolution, I won't begrudge it.

10 posted on 08/04/2005 10:36:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Puppage

There are different views about almost everything. Should we teach students in history class that some people don't think Napoleon Bonaparte ever existed, and others think Jesus Christ lived in the 11th century?


11 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."

Darwin's theories are testable?

Really, I thought this was going to be a NY Times headline.

12 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:17 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Federalist Society?)
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To: newgeezer

"Are you a scientist"


13 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:50 AM PDT by biblewonk (They are not gods which are made with hands.)
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To: Puppage

I think the real problem is the confusion between the "real" science of plate tectonics and the very choppy, and much debated human evolution chain.
More the ideas presented better the decision- what needs to be taught is moral judgement.


14 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:54 AM PDT by dimeadozen
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To: Right Wing Professor

I don't think the President of the United States, or any agency of the Federal Government, has any business commenting on classroom content.

We don't allow the government to dictate the content of our newspapers, so why do we allow it to dictate the content in our classrooms?

I am unable to lay my finger on that section of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government any role whatsoever in influencing or attempting to determine education curricula.


15 posted on 08/04/2005 10:37:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Pro Se Defendant from Hell)
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***"Americans will need basic understanding of science in order to participate effectively in the 21st century world. It is essential that students on every level learn what science is and how scientific knowledge progresses."***

So "scientific knowledge" require the belief that the universe is the product of random chance and has no intelligent designer behind it?



***That is an untestable belief and, therefore, cannot qualify as a scientific theory."***

Conversely, is it no also an "untestable belief" that there is NO intelligent designer???
16 posted on 08/04/2005 10:38:00 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ClearCase_guy
I have a theory: all land animals are descended from animals that lived in the sea millions of years ago. Let's test my theory! Ohhhhhhh, wait. We can't really test that can we?

Sure we can. We can compare the genomes of modern land and sea creatures. We can look for common ancestors, and then ask, from their morphology, whether they lived in the sea.

17 posted on 08/04/2005 10:38:56 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: PetroniusMaximus
So "scientific knowledge" require the belief that the universe is the product of random chance and has no intelligent designer behind it?

No, it doesn't require that.

18 posted on 08/04/2005 10:39:42 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Evolution and Relativity are hardly "proven", just commonly accepted and for the most part resistant to being disproven.

Any scientific theory is subject to revision as technology and understanding progress.

19 posted on 08/04/2005 10:40:04 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Right Wing Professor
There are different views about almost everything. Should we teach students in history class that some people don't think Napoleon Bonaparte ever existed, and others think Jesus Christ lived in the 11th century?

Is there that much controversy about Napoleon as there is about evolution? Are the people so fervently divided and outspoken about Napoleon, hmmm?

20 posted on 08/04/2005 10:40:12 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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