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The True Story Of Dracula (Interesting read)
Useless-knowledge.com ^ | October 18 , 2004 | Mark Gelbart

Posted on 08/05/2005 9:06:30 AM PDT by robowombat

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To: 7thson

thanks for not spoiling it, bc i am truly loving the book. i am on page 481 and i have found it gripping from page one. i am on vacation and have had a ton of time to read. i will definitely look for you to discuss it with when i am finished, bc i don't know anyone else who has read it : )


21 posted on 08/05/2005 10:07:37 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: PeterPrinciple

I am not sure where this information comes from, but I have never heard of that indcident. When he took the throne, he did invite all the royal administrators that were left over from the previous administration and kill them at a banquet to vanquish his enimies within the government.

Also, the name he was tagged with was Dracool, not exactly Draula, as we say it now.


22 posted on 08/05/2005 10:08:58 AM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: robowombat; All

Actually, Vlad ruled in Wallachia, not Transylvania, though I believe that he had held lands in Transylvania.


23 posted on 08/05/2005 10:17:47 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (Regan 3:16: He whooped Communism's ass!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
No - I am Spartacus!

CA....

24 posted on 08/05/2005 10:22:38 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: ZULU

Wasn't Vlad then succeeded in power by his brother Shishka Bob? LOL


25 posted on 08/05/2005 10:41:35 AM PDT by '61 Libertarian
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To: Jacob Kell

Right. He was from Wallachia. Wallachia and Transylvania are both in modern day Romania.


26 posted on 08/05/2005 10:52:44 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: '61 Libertarian

Funny.

I guess a lot of people would "get the point".


27 posted on 08/05/2005 10:53:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: robowombat
I read somewhere that Transylvania was at one time a center of powerful christianity (during the Reformation?).

Amazing that now it is known as a satanic center. I had a feeling the Muslims were involved somehow.

28 posted on 08/05/2005 11:13:42 AM PDT by July20
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To: July20

Just read the article. Now I know more.


29 posted on 08/05/2005 11:21:24 AM PDT by July20
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To: ZULU

For more, see also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad

"He was greatly disliked, but the bufferzone between Central Europe and the Ottoman Empire made Vlad a crucial player in the defense of Christendom.

At times, he and his army would pass over the frozen Danube and invade Ottoman territory (mainly in present-day Bulgaria) and cause great mayhem. In one of his invasions, he is supposedly to have killed more than 20,000 Turks. This, in turn, caught the attention of the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II, who himself laid siege on Targoviste. Vlad fled but left impaled corpses of Muslims and used the scorched earth policy. He ordered the burning of crops, the poisoning of wells, and the killing of all domestic animals. He freed convicted criminals and encouraged those who were afflicted with leprosy and the bubonic plague to mingle among the Turks.

Mahmud Pasha lamented that "for six leagues not a drop of water was to be found. The intensity of the heat caused by the scorching sun was so great that the armor seemed as if it would melt like a lighted candle."


30 posted on 08/05/2005 11:32:28 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: bwteim

"Another anecdote tells of a foreign merchant who was in Vlad's capital city. The merchant left his wagon out, knowing the strict punishment for breaking the law. When he came back to the wagon in the morning he found that 16 ducats were missing. He went to Dracula and told him of the stolen money. Vlad told him he would have his money by sundown. He then told the people that if they did not find the thief, then he (Vlad), would burn down the city. He then told one of his servants to place 17 ducats in the merchant's wagon. After the merchant discovered the ducats, he went to Dracula and told him that there was an extra ducat. At this point the thief was brought to Dracula who ordered him impaled, and Dracula also told the merchant that if he had not returned the extra ducat, he would have been impaled along with the thief."


"On a kinder note, another story tells that Vlad placed a golden cup at a well-travelled spring so travelers could drink. Not once during his entire reign was the cup ever stolen. The legend also says that the very day people saw the cup missing they knew that Vlad was gone."

I think Vlad was the kind of ruler the Wallachians needed and appreciated at the time.

He was a Christian warrior holding the gates of Europe against the Turks.

By the way, young Vlad probaly learned about impalements while kept hostage by the brutal Turks.

Using their own techniques against them was fair play.


31 posted on 08/05/2005 11:57:53 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: robowombat

Contrary to the popular conception that vampires are a real pain in the neck, Dracula was a real pain in the a$$.


32 posted on 08/05/2005 12:00:15 PM PDT by punster
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To: auntyfemenist

I'm with you,
I know about him killing the 'nobles' or administrators after a feast, but I've never heard this story before.

Vlad and the whole 'Dracula' legend is one on my favorite bits of history.


33 posted on 08/05/2005 12:05:14 PM PDT by najida (OK, now its Ice ICE BABY! Then I party.)
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To: ZULU

Exactly,
What the Turks did as common practice was very similar to what he did.

It was a brutal time (glad I wasn't there) but he was the right person for the era.


34 posted on 08/05/2005 12:06:56 PM PDT by najida (OK, now its Ice ICE BABY! Then I party.)
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To: ZULU

Thanks. You got me searching.

See

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3987/1.html
for extensive pages.


35 posted on 08/05/2005 12:18:45 PM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: robowombat
...he liked to impale small animals

bla
36 posted on 08/05/2005 12:25:54 PM PDT by evets (4,149)
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To: punster
Hehe. One story I recall is about some emissaries from somebody. They refused to remove their skull caps in
Vlad's presence, so he had the caps affixed with short nails so that they wouldn't get lost on the way back.
37 posted on 08/05/2005 12:27:46 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

they were Turkish envoys..


38 posted on 08/05/2005 12:30:42 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: robowombat

wasn't there a part of the story where at one point while treating with turks, he ordered them to remove their turbins, and when they refused he nailed their turbans to their heads?


39 posted on 08/05/2005 12:34:17 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: robowombat

Intersting background. Thanks.


40 posted on 08/05/2005 3:11:09 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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