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WMD Message Failure Damaging Bush
NewsMax.com ^ | Aug. 6, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 08/06/2005 11:04:31 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

President Bush's decision to concede the argument that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction has hurt his credibility badly, with a majority of Americans now saying he lied when he took the country to war based on a threat that didn't exist.

A Gallup survey last week found that a majority of Americans - 51 percent - now believe that Bush "deliberately misled the people when he asserted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."

On Friday, an Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that 50 percent no longer think he's an honest leader - with 48 percent disagreeing.

If, on the other hand, weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, there's no question those numbers would be dramatically different.

Bush's war rationale would have been completely vindicated - and families of hero GI's wouldn't be wrestling with gut wrenching questions about whether their sacrifices were worth it.

That's why it's so abominably tragic - and downright irresponsible - for the Bush White House to continue to ignore the evidence that Saddam Hussein did, in fact, pose a WMD threat.

Here's a few questions media pollsters never ask - featuring undisputed facts the White House needs to begin spotlighting:

• If you knew that Saddam Hussein was sitting on a stockpile of 500 tons of yellowcake uranium - and storing it at his nuclear weapons development plant - would you still think the Iraqi dictator posed no WMD threat?

• If you learned that Saddam had ordered his top nuclear physicist to hide centrifuge parts from U.N. weapons inspectors and keep them available for future use - would it have been a good idea to leave Saddam in power?

• And if you knew that Saddam had begun to enrich that uranium to the point where weapons inspectors feared it could be turned into a terrorist dirty bomb - would you still think it was a mistake to launch a preemptive invasion?

Unfortunately - at least for those who recognize that the Iraq war is an indispensable part of the war on terror - the White House seldom if ever mentions any of the above.

But that's not because it isn't true.

Just last year, the New York Times - along with several other mainstream news organizations - offered new details about Saddam's 500 ton uranium stockpile - in a story prompted by the U.S. Energy Department's decision to remove 1.8 tons of the nuclear fuel that the Iraqi dictator had partially enriched.

Some highlights from the Times report:

The United States has informed an international agency that oversees nuclear materials that it intends to move hundreds of tons of uranium from a sealed repository south of Baghdad to a more secure place outside Iraq, Western diplomats close to the agency say. . . .

The repository, at Tuwaitha, a centerpiece of Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program until it was largely shut down after the first Persian Gulf war in 1991, holds more than 500 tons of uranium, none of it enriched enough to be used directly in a nuclear weapon. . . .

Nuclear experts had mixed reactions to the possibility of moving the uranium. The president of the Institute for Science and International Security, David Albright, said officials had long privately discussed plans to take the uranium out of Iraq.

"I would say it's a wise thing to do," Mr. Albright said. "The idea of theft isn't crazy." . . .

Of the uranium, 500 tons is naturally occurring ore or yellowcake, a slightly processed concentrate that cannot be directly used in a bomb. Some 1.8 tons is classified as low-enriched uranium, a more potent form but still not sufficient for a weapon.

Still, said Thomas B. Cochran, director of the nuclear program at the Natural Resources Defense Council, the low-enriched version could be useful to a nation with nuclear ambitions.

"A country like Iran," Mr. Cochran said, "could convert that into weapons-grade material with a lot fewer centrifuges than would be required with natural uranium."

The centrifuges are used to purify the material. . . .

Whatever its actual health risks, the uranium could sow terror over wide areas if dispersed by a conventional explosive. Such a "dirty bomb" remains a prime concern for counterterrorism experts in the United States and abroad. [END OF TIMES EXCERPT - May 22, 2004]

As for the above mentioned centrifuges, it turns out Saddam had made the necessary provisions, according to his top nuclear physicist, Dr. Mahdi Obeidi.

"Saddam kept funding the IAEC [Iraq Atomic Energy Commission] from 1991 ... until the war in 2003," Dr. Obedi revealed in his 2004 book, "The Bomb in My Garden."

"I was developing the centrifuge for the weapons" right through 1997, he explained.

And after that, Dr. Obeidi said, Saddam ordered him under penalty of death to keep the technology available to resume Iraq's nuke program at a moment's notice.

Dr. Obeidi said he buried "the full set of blueprints, designs - everything to restart the centrifuge program - along with some critical components of the centrifuge" under the garden of his Baghdad home.

"I had to maintain the program to the bitter end," he explained.

Despite the compelling nature of Dr. Obedi's revelations and the facts about al Tuwaitha - Bush officials almost never discuss this information.

That's probably because Saddam's uranium stockpile was actually not considered illegal according to officials at the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency, who assured the world they were monitoring the nuclear fuel and had the situation well in hand.

Of course, the IAEA had no idea about Dr. Obedi's centrifuge stash, since he revealed his story to U.S. interrogators only after Saddam had been toppled. Then there's the dubious proposition of trusting IAEA assurances about rogue countries and their inability to develop nukes, especially since the bang-up job the agency did keeping an eye on North Korea.

Still, in hundreds of hours of interviews spent defending the Iraq war, Condi, Rummy, Cheney or even the President himself never mention Saddam's al Tuwaitha uranium stockpile - or the order he gave to Dr. Obeidi to keep Iraq's centrifuge program ready.

No wonder the American people are beginning to wonder if President Bush lied to them about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.


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To: Carl/NewsMax

The AP-Ipsos poll is another bogus poll. It had twice as many reposndents aged 18-34 as those over 65:

"However, a closer look at the poll reveals that 49% of respondents described themselves as Democrats and 39% said they were Republicans. Click here for a breakdown of the poll (pdf file). (via The Buzz)

Can anyone say with a straight face that this is an accurate party breakdown of the American voting public? In what universe?

I mean outside of the mainstream media...

Update: Additionally, 31% of the poll's respondents were between the ages of 18-34. This significantly overstates the percentage of people in the age group that voted in 2004 -- and, if you remember, it was the only age demographic in which John Kerry prevailed in the 2004 presidential election.

Update II: 14% of the respondents said they were unemployed; the country's unemployment rate is around 5%-6%."

http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/475-Fun-With-Numbers.html


21 posted on 08/06/2005 11:28:32 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Republicans are absolutely terrible at the PR battle. It seems that most of the time they don't even bother to counter the MSM and democrat spin. I don't know what the answer is, certainly Rush does his best everyday, but someone in the Repulican party needs to get a 'pair' and start fighting back.


22 posted on 08/06/2005 11:28:36 AM PDT by sydbas
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To: ex-snook
While GWB postures as a conservative, look who he is constantly trying to please....

I have long felt that GWB is never going to be politically loved. His Base is alienated...constantly having any enthusiasm for him snuffed out by his own actions and words...belying the campaign rhetoric written by more sincere conservatives for him.

And the Left will always vote RAT. GWB is constantly betraying our principles and positions to curry favor with the MSM. He is clearly reading the Washington Post, instead of Human Events. And not least, but GWB is running a disengenuous shell game over sovereignty, going in almost lock-step with Xlinton's path, accepting continuance in the unconstitutional Fast Track Authority, GATT, WTO, CAFTA, FTAA and the LOST (Law of the Sea Treaty) marxist-bloc ideas...and now the justifying pretext is...of all things... security!

Roooooooigghtt.

There are a couple of significant deviations from the RATs foreign policy, i.e., he opposed the Kyoto Treaty (which would have tanked the economy when he needed it to go up for the war and re-election) and the International Criminal Court (which would try our own military soldiers hauled into its baliwick by the usual suspects). That would have interfered with his War On Terror (WOT--prounounced "WHAT?").

I commend the following to you as the legitimate conservative agenda:

Phyllis Schlafly: Conservative Agenda for 2005
Eagle Forum ^ | January 2005 | Phyllis Schlafly

Conservative voters gave Republican politicians their best Christmas in at least half a century, conferring majorities at nearly all levels of government. Now, what will the politicians give the voters in return? Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), the new chairman of the House Republican Study Committee (a conservative caucus that has grown from 40 Members in the 1990s to 100 in the new Congress), said: "The election was a mandate for conservative leadership in Washington. It's a new day and a new Congress."

Here are leading conservative priorities for 2005.

Curb Supremacist Judges
Congress should restore self-government by limiting the jurisdiction of the out-of-control judges. As the U.S. Constitution says, laws must be made by our elected representatives - not by judges. Candidate George W. Bush campaigned against activist judges who legislate from the bench and try to remake our culture, and we expect him and the 55-44 Republican majority in the Senate to deliver on those promises.

We expect Bush to use the Supreme Court litmus test he announced in his St. Louis debate: "I wouldn't pick a judge who said that the Pledge of Allegiance couldn't be said in a school because it had the words 'under God' in it." He should nominate and the Senate should confirm only judges who meet the standards of the Republican Platform: "judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life." Bush's constituency will not accept another mistake like Justice David Souter, whose lack of a paper trail made him vulnerable to capture by judicial activists.

The President and the Senate should require nominees to make clear whether they believe in the Constitution as written or believe that the Constitution can evolve into whatever Supreme Court Justices say it is — a heresy first enunciated by the Warren Court in the 1958 case of Cooper v. Aaron. All candidates should be rejected who admit to the latter view.

Congress should pass a law providing that federal judges have no power to hear a challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act, or to hear a federal challenge to state marriage amendments, or to change the definition of marriage to something other than one man and one woman, or to give unmarried persons the legal benefits of husbands and wives. The House of Representatives passed John Hostettler's (R-IN) bill in the fall of 2004, but the Senate took no action, so it must be reintroduced and passed again in 2005.

The November 2nd election proved that defense of marriage is more popular than George W. Bush. In ten of the eleven states (all except the very pro-Bush Utah) that passed marriage amendments, the marriage amendment received more votes than President Bush. It's not only right, it is good politics to push ahead on protection of traditional marriage at every level and with all possible legislation.

Congress should pass a law providing that federal judges have no power to ban the Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments, and other public acknowledgments of God by public officials or on public property. Rep. Todd Akin's (R-MO) bill to protect the Pledge of Allegiance passed the House in the fall of 2004, but the Senate took no action, so it must be reintroduced and passed again in 2005. We also support Rep. Robert Aderholt's (R-AL) bill to protect the Ten Commandments from federal judges.

Congress should amend a Watergate-era law, the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act, to prevent the ACLU and others from collecting attorney's fees for lawsuits claiming that the public acknowledgment of God is an "establishment of religion" prohibited by the First Amendment. Congress should cut off this taxpayer subsidy for ACLU lawsuits.

The Senate and House Judiciary Committees should hold weekly hearings on various proposals to reform the judiciary, to review and debate court decisions that declare laws or traditional practices unconstitutional, to limit the jurisdiction of federal judges on matters where we don't trust them, to take away the power of a single federal judge to use an injunction to block enforcement of a referendum during the years that a case winds its way through the court system, to limit consent decrees to one or two years, and to impeach judges who base decisions on foreign law instead of on the U.S. Constitution. Phyllis Schlafly's book The Supremacists should be used as the citizen's handbook for action.

Protect American Sovereignty
The biggest threat to U.S. sovereignty at the present time is the Bush Administration's attempt to lock the United States into a 34-nation Western Hemisphere economic union called the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA). This plan is to be implemented by first rushing CAFTA (U.S.-Central American Free Trade Agreement) through Congress early in 2005.

FTAA and CAFTA would subject U.S. sovereignty and commerce to panels and tribunals dominated by other Western Hemisphere countries. President George W. Bush approved this goal when he signed the Declaration of Quebec City on April 22, 2001, which is a "commitment to hemispheric integration" larded with favorite UN doubletalk such as "interdependent," "greater economic integration," and "sustainable development."

The United States is an oasis of freedom and prosperity in the Western Hemisphere — that's why people from other countries are risking their lives to come here, legally or illegally. Americans have everything to lose if we subject ourselves to tribunals dominated by the socialist pro-gay country to our north and the corrupt and Communist governments to our south. The real purpose behind FTAA and CAFTA is to integrate low-wage workers in other Western Hemisphere countries into the U.S. economy. This will make U.S. citizens compete with millions of workers willing to work for pennies a day.

Tell your Members of Congress that you consider a vote for CAFTA or FTAA to be a vote against America, against our sovereignty and independence, and against jobs for U.S. citizens.

Stop Entry of Illegal Aliens
The U.S. Constitution makes it the duty of the Federal Government to "protect each of [the states] against invasion," so it's the duty of Congress and the President to close all our borders to illegal entry by using increased personnel, technology, aerial surveillance, and military troops. At least 4,000 illegal aliens enter daily across the Arizona border alone, and the government has no way of separating out Middle Easterners; persons who committed crimes in the United States, returned to Mexico, and then are reentering our country; and persons with communicable diseases.

The border patrol estimates that over the last year it apprehended 55,890 people who are OTMs (Other Than Mexicans), that 190,000 have melted into the U.S. population, including aliens from Afghanistan, Bulgaria, Russia, China, Egypt, Iran and Iraq. Let's have an accounting of who is responsible and what Homeland Security is doing about this.

The overwhelming success of Proposition 200 in Arizona, which requires a valid I.D. in order to vote or to receive benefits paid by state taxpayers, shows that the grassroots are demanding that our government enforce our laws against illegal aliens. It passed by 56% to 44% even though it was opposed by Big Government (all public officials of both parties), Big Business (the Chamber of Commerce), Big Labor (the Service Employees International Union), and Big Church (the Catholic Bishops). Even 47% of Arizona Hispanics voted in favor of Prop 200. The immigrants who had stood in long lines to come here legally see no reason to allow their tax dollars to go to people who come here illegally.

A major national security issue is driver's licenses granted to illegal aliens by eleven states. Congress should pass a law to cut off highway funds to states that grant driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Surely it is a more important use of the federal spending power than cutting off highway funds from states that don't nag drivers about wearing seat belts. It is a disgrace that the big Intelligence Act passed by Congress just before adjournment failed to plug this hole in our security, and we thank Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) for his valiant effort to remedy this mistake.

Congress should prohibit the Bush Administration from going forward with a Social Security "totalization" agreement with Mexico. Totalization would enable the illegal aliens to join our Social Security system with credit for time spent working illegally and/or under a stolen Social Security number. President Bush is planning a media blitz to convince Americans that Social Security should be reformed by creating private accounts. It's ridiculous to talk about saving Social Security while going forward with a secret plan to include illegal aliens.

Disease is one of the most important reasons to stop the traffic of illegal aliens. They put an enormous burden on our health care system at the same time that so many Americans lack health insurance. Legal immigrants are required to be free from disease, but no one examines the 4,000 illegals who enter our country every day and disappear into our population. They are bringing diseases that we never had before in the United States or which we eradicated decades ago.

Tuberculosis had virtually disappeared from the United States, but is now expanding rapidly, particularly a drug-resistant variety until recently endemic only to Mexico. Chagas, for which there is no effective cure, infects 18 million people in Latin America, causes 500,000 deaths annually, and was unknown in the United States until recently, has now infected our blood supply. Suddenly, 7,000 cases of Leprosy have appeared brought in by illegal aliens from India, Brazil, the Caribbean, and Mexico. West Nile Virus, which comes from Africa, was unheard of in the United States prior to 1998 and now infects tens of thousands of people in 21 states. Malaria had been obliterated from the U.S., but is now reemerging. Since 1991, the U.S. hasn't had a case of a native-born American getting polio (except from the oral polio vaccine) but aliens are bringing back polio, too.

Congress should stiffen its backbone against the Bush Administration plan to grant amnesty to illegal aliens under the euphemism of giving "the millions of undocumented men and women now employed in the United States . . . a new temporary-worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs." Billions of foreigners are "willing" to work for a few dollars a day (the average wage in China is 64 cents an hour) and Americans are not willing to work for Third World wages.

Two dozen Congressmen wrote a letter to the President opposing his plan, primarily for national security reasons, but Bush brushed them off with elitist disdain. "I get letters all the time from people who are trying to steer me one way or the other," he said; "I'm going to move forward."

Congress should terminate H1-B visas. It was a betrayal of American workers when Congress in 2004 increased the number of allowable H1-B visas to import 20,000 more foreign workers at the same time that the U.S. has more than a hundred thousand unemployed American engineers and computer specialists.

Congress should take many other actions to protect Americans, such as: abolish the Diversity Visa Lottery Immigrant Program; pass the CLEAR Act, which empowers local police to enforce immigration laws and share information with Homeland Security; and enforce the law that forbids states to grant the subsidy of in-state college tuition to illegal aliens.

Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL), said, "If the President wants to maintain credibility with House Republicans, he has to be engaged and willing to pass immigration reform that conservatives want. If he's missing in action on that issue, he's going to have big problems." The cover story in the December 31 issue of National Review warns that President Bush's guest-worker proposal "threatens to do irreparable damage" to the Republican coalition because there is a storm of grassroots anger on this issue and "there's no issue where the beliefs and interests of the party rank-and-file diverge more radically from the beliefs and interests of the party leaders."

Tell your Member of Congress to join the Immigration Caucus led by Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO). It would be a political blunder of the first magnitude if President Bush remains silent while Senator Hillary Clinton sounds off daily against illegal aliens and makes herself the national champion on this popular issue.

The Federal Spending Power
Of course, conservatives expect Congress to stop the runaway federal spending that plagued George W. Bush's first administration. It's the job of the House of Representatives to reduce the bloated federal budget and to stop funding institutions that spend our money to oppose American values.

U.S. colleges and universities are some of the biggest enemies of the values of red-state Americans. Congress can't order colleges what to teach or to fire theirÿtenured Marxist professors, but since universities are among the largest recipients of federal handouts, Congress should use its power of the purse to teach them a lesson. Judicial supremacists recently nullified the Solomon Amendment, which requires universities that take taxpayers' money to allow access on their campuses to military recruiters. The congressional response in 2005 should be to eliminate from the federal budget those universities that exclude the military.

Bush's Feminist Mischief
Women in combat? The Bush Administration is moving fast to force female soldiers, including mothers, into ground-combat units for the first time in U.S. history. A November 29 briefing to senior Army officers at the Pentagon presented a plan to scrap the military's ban on collocation (the deployment of mixed-sex noncombat units alongside all-male combat-units). This radical change is being done without public announcement and despite the law which requires that Congress receive formal notice 30 legislative days in advance when both Houses are in session.

The Army claims it needs women including mothers in battle because of a shortage of male combat troops. If there is a shortage, the reason is the sex-based recruiting quotas which produce about a 15% quota of female recruits. For years, the military has been concealing these quotas, as well as the different standards in training which disguise the physical differences between men and women.

We have a volunteer army, but the women who volunteered did so in the belief that our government would obey regulations and the law and not put women in land-combat. Surveys of military women show that about 90% of them oppose putting women in land-combat positions because they know they are not the physical equal of men.

Putting women in all combat positions has been a longtime goal of the radical feminist movement, including advocates of the Equal Rights Amendment, the tax-funded feminist lobby called DACOWITS, and feminist spokespersons such as (now Supreme Court Justices) Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Of course, the feminists who are pushing this uncivilized goal are not the ones who will be on the ground in Iraq.

After all our years of fighting against irrational feminist "equality," will George W. Bush — the conservative we just elected — be the one who sends women and mothers out to fight his war? Governor Schwarzenegger invented the best label for men like this: girlie men.

Title IX. The Bush Administration and Congress should fix the injustices caused by the feminist-enforced Title IX quotas, which specify that the proportion of men to women who participate in competitive sports cannot exceed their proportional enrollment in college. This quota system (not created by the law, but by Carter and Clinton feminists) has caused the senseless elimination of hundreds of men's college teams (such as 171 wrestling teams), and unless Bush or Congress takes action to stop this nonsense, high school sports are next on the feminists' hit list.

In his first Administration, President Bush appointed a commission to deal with the Title IX injustices, but he foolishly put feminists on it, and that mistake prevented any action to remedy the problem. Now, the Bush Justice Department is before the Supreme Court trying to get activist judges to expand the mischief of Title IX by creating a new cause of action to allow lawsuits to be filed against high schools.

Federal Education Problems
Mental Health. A radical plan to subject all children to mental health screening originated in the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health (NFCMH) created by President George W. Bush in 2002. The NFCMH recommends "routine and comprehensive" testing and mental health screening for every child in America, including preschoolers. President Bush has instructed 25 federal agencies to develop a plan to implement the Commission's recommendations.

The NFCMH recommends "linkage" of these mental examinations with "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions." This means prescribing more expensive, ineffective and dangerous patented anti-depressants and anti-psychotic drugs. Will parents face coercion and threats of excluding their child from school, or child-neglect charges, if they refuse privacy-invading interrogations or unproven medications? How will a child remove a stigmatizing label from his records?

In 2004, Congress voted $20 million to fund the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health's recommendations. Parental consent language was deleted by the Senate. Eagle Forum supports Rep. Ron Paul's (R-TX) "Let Parents Raise Their Kids Act," which would forbid federal funds from being used for any universal or mandatory mental-health screening of students without the express, written, voluntary, informed consent of their parents.

Most parents will do anything to avoid having their child labeled as mentally unfit. But liberal educrats control the new mental screening tests, and conservative views about religion, marriage, homeschooling, drug medication, government, guns, and immigration will eventually be considered signs of mental problems. Unless we act now, parents will be compelled to steer their children away from conservative values just to pass the mental screening exams and avoid a hurtful label.

Drug Coercion. The overprescription of drugs for children, and the coercive way that parents of public school students have been induced to put their children on drugs, is a national scandal. Eagle Forum has worked for years to prevent such coercion. Eagle Forum members have supported state school boards and state legislatures in adopting policies to prevent such coercion.

In 2004, Congress's reauthorization of the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) included language sponsored by Rep. Max Burns (R-GA) that forbids drug coercion of children in order to attend public schools. However, this law only protects special-needs children under IDEA, and it only covers psycho-stimulants (Ritalin-type drugs), not anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs. Eagle Forum supports a federal law to forbid coerced drugging with psychotropic medicine of children in all schools that receive federal money (which is nearly all public schools).

Federal Curriculum. Despite Eagle Forum's vigorous opposition, Congress in 2004 passed the American History and Civics Education Act, which sets up student and teacher academies to teach students key elements of history, such as events, ideas, people, and documents, and to instruct teachers how to teach it. Grant money from U.S. taxpayers will flow to university history professors, most of whom are trying to rewrite history according to their leftwing, anti-American, multiculturalism, diversity, race- and gender-obsessed biases.

Eagle Forum seeks congressional hearings on this project and on the activities of the Center for Civic Education, including its book We the People: The Citizen and the Constitution, which federal law has designated the standard for civics education in public schools, but whose bias has been eloquently exposed in Fed Ed: The New Federal Curriculum by Allen Quist.

National Science Tests. Eagle Forum supports repealing the language of the No Child Left Behind Act which mandates science standards beginning in 2005-2006, and science testing beginning in 2007-2008 for grades 3 through 5, grades 6 through 9, and grades 10 through 12. The science testing requirement, which was inserted into the law at the very end of conference negotiations without debate, opens the door for national test standards to enforce the teaching of evolution. The version that passed the House did not include this requirement, and most Congressmen believed that the law would require testing only for reading and math. The Daschle-Kennedy Senate inserted the harmful science testing provision, which could compel new evolution indoctrination for eight-year-olds nationwide.

23 posted on 08/06/2005 11:30:24 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Strict Constructionist Definition=Someone who doesn't hallucinate when reading the Constitution)
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To: txflake
Bush has a lot of 'splainin' to do in a number of areas.

When polls are worded "properly" both sides can agree that Bush needs to be doing something different from what he has or hasn't been doing.

24 posted on 08/06/2005 11:30:54 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

The best way for GWB to handle this inconvenient situation of the WMDs is to change the topic. I said that about a year and a half ago, but did anyone listen to me?? Oh well. Better late than never..


25 posted on 08/06/2005 11:31:23 AM PDT by AntiGuv (reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away)
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To: Paladin2
?...Tell us why the borders don't need to be controlled. ...?

Trolling.....?

26 posted on 08/06/2005 11:31:28 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro

I prefer casting.


27 posted on 08/06/2005 11:34:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: CBart95
Et Tu Brutus?

On the contrary. I fear that if the Bushies don't start defending themselves on the WMD question, it could lead to dire consequences.

If support for the war continues to erode from now till 2006, that will enhance Democrat chances to retake the House.

That may be unimiagniable right now, but another 500 to 1,000 GI deaths in a war the American people increasingly believe was based on a lie, and I wouldn't bet the farm on continued GOP dominance in Congress.

If the Dems win the House, they won't waste a nanosecond before filing impeachment charges.

At that point, the entire war on terror will be discredited, much like what happened to Vietnam in 1974.

Only this time, when the enemy returns, it won't be to Saigon - but instead, New York, Washington and Los Angeles.

28 posted on 08/06/2005 11:35:54 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
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To: Carl/NewsMax

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source



NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WMD'S AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES??? Right!!!


29 posted on 08/06/2005 11:36:44 AM PDT by HighWheeler (Difference between a democRAT and a battery: At least a battery has a positive side.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Or he was lied to - by US intel, foreign intel, previous admins and congresses who believed it but GWB is supposed to be the only one criticized for believing it - oh, right, no "D" after his name.


30 posted on 08/06/2005 11:38:11 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Paladin2

LOL


31 posted on 08/06/2005 11:39:01 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Carl/NewsMax

WMD Message Failure Damaging Bush

OK. If you say so. (He's not running for re-election....)

32 posted on 08/06/2005 11:39:18 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: HighWheeler
Just the continuation of the 'Rat/MSM Jihad on Bush.

It's impossible for Bush to engage them in "debate" as they are "feelers", not "thinkers". Only continued pressure and the truth from the blogosphere will be effective. If Bush continues to sell the base on domestic issues, the efforts of his supporters to fight the Jihad for him will diminish.

33 posted on 08/06/2005 11:43:08 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

"If, on the other hand, weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, there's no question those numbers would be dramatically different."

I just wonder what these bogus "polls" will show when a suitcase bomb goes off on Wall Street? ;)


34 posted on 08/06/2005 11:43:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Zogby and Gallup ~ Perfect Together

The sickening part is that supposedly objective media types run with the agenda driven numbers as tho they're meaningful.

These polls are all about the 2006 elections.

35 posted on 08/06/2005 11:43:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Great post. Even the White House has dropped the ball on this. WMD was NOT the primary reason we went to Iraq. If it were...then who's to say France, Germany and China would be next. The reason we went to into Iraq was the Saddam/Terrorist connection. The possibility that Saddam may have WMD sometime in the future was the reason we went sooner rather than wait until he had them.


36 posted on 08/06/2005 11:43:55 AM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Paladin2

He (Bush) hasn't done anything about our open borders. On the contrary, the borders are more open than ever to be crossed over by whoever wishes to. Not only that, he and his elitist friends are intent on giving amnesty to illegal aliens.

We're fast slipping and sliding into a third world country.


37 posted on 08/06/2005 11:45:22 AM PDT by TheBrotherhood
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To: Paladin2

sell ---> sell out


38 posted on 08/06/2005 11:45:46 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: Paladin2
... It's impossible for Bush to engage them in "debate" as they are "feelers", not "thinkers". Only continued pressure and the truth from the blogosphere will be effective. If Bush continues to sell the base on domestic issues, the efforts of his supporters to fight the Jihad for him will diminish. ...

Exactly!!!

39 posted on 08/06/2005 11:46:08 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Carl/NewsMax

MSM: "Look into my eyes. You are getting sleepy....sleepy....sleeeeepy"

Later:

MSM: "Poll reveals many Americans feel sleepy"


40 posted on 08/06/2005 11:48:19 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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