Who's Killing Our Boys

Houston Home Journal (Warner Robins GA) ^ | 08/10/2005 | William John Hagan

[Gaffer]

Even the best of us get demoralized, particularly if one spends too much time listening/watching the MSM (even if it's just "seeing what the other side is up to"). My mother is the most conservative stalwart and she gets so damn pessimistic sometimes I just want to scream...doesn't mean she feels any differently, she's just been had by the MSM. I keep telling her, but she has to "see what the other side is up to."

[StarCMC]

the American Occupation of Iraq,

Hmmmm..... The sutor's slip is showing.

[StarCMC]

UGH!!

sutor = author

[WJHII]

Excuse me?

[alrea]

The msm is pushing the peace crowd but it hasn't worked. Nobody paid attention to the protests and nobody pays attention to the commie America haters. If you listen to the polls, we have lost the war and Americans don't support it, but if you talk to Americans they want to pull the troops back and use the heavy artillery.

plus airstrikes, apaches and predators

[StarCMC]

Sorry - typo - sutor=author.

I can't get past someone talking about the "American Occupation of Iraq." So far, in every article that I've read, that is a sign that the author is going to give me some left-wing mumbo jumbo which I can do without.

[StarCMC]

And if I've jumped to a conclusion I shouldn't have I apologize. I have a habit of seeing that phrase and stopping.

[StarCMC]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.


Sheesh!! Pull yourself together man!!!

[chgomac]

"We've never hit so many bumps before and this road has way too many curves!" =
Valley Forge
Manassas
Gettysburg
Verdun
Flanders
The Battle of the Buldge
Battaan
The Phillipines
The Beach at Normandy
A Bridge too Far

Discussing tactics and strategy and offering battle options is interesting as there are some very experienced and bright people here but sometimes the best laid plans......

grandma mac
(chewing her cud)

[Big Horn]

I am beginning to wonder if the majority has the guts to finish a war and to keep our freedom here in the U.S. I think to many people think freedom is to be able to choose between fishing and golfing. Fighting is how we got our freedom and fighting is how we keep it.

[chgomac]

"Look back in regret I mean."
No, Americans will not look back with regret at GWB over these hideous IEDs......

Should we "regret" George Washington, remembering only his freezing, starving army at the Battle of Valley Forge?

And how regretful should we be over Abraham Lincoln, our leader at the time of the bloodiest battle in US history, over 20,000 lost in one day at Manassas/Bull Run?

The cost in lives on D-Day was staggering, and "regretfully", we remember FDR in only that context?

Debate over each battle defeat. It matters only that we achieve Victory in the war.

[chgomac]

"Look back in regret I mean."
No, Americans will not look back with regret at GWB over these hideous IEDs......

Should we "regret" George Washington, remembering only his freezing, starving army at the Battle of Valley Forge?

And how regretful should we be over Abraham Lincoln, our leader at the time of the bloodiest battle in US history, over 20,000 lost in one day at Manassas/Bull Run?

The cost in lives on D-Day was staggering, and "regretfully", we remember FDR in only that context?

Debate over each battle defeat. It matters only that we achieve Victory in the war.

[chgomac]

sorry, didn't mean to post twice.

[kabar]

A lot of hand-wringing for a war that we are winning. Are we so casualty averse that we cannot tolerate the loss of less than 1500 personnel over a two year period in pursuit of our national interests? We live in a McInstant culture with a 24/7 news cycle. Inexorably, the infrastructure is being rebuilt, Iraqis trained to defend themselves, elections have been held with the participation of over 8 million Iraqis with a greater percentage than Americans vote in their national elections, and a constitution is being written. Slowly, but surely progress is being made. Any public self-doubt encourages our enemy and prolongs the conflict.

Now is not the time to go wobbly. Hopefully, Bush will continue to have the patience and resolve to stay the course. We cannot afford to lose this one.

[Sam Cree]

read later

[Jim Noble]

Take care of Iran through punishing airstrikes designed to show them

This was the central fallacy of Vietnam, and Korea to a degree: that a military demonstration, to "show them", in your words, could be substituted for victory.

This line of thinking, born out of the carnage of WWII and the increase in public acceptance of rationalism, has failed again and again and again.

We do not have to convince the world's radical muslims of anything. They are already convinced that the purpose of life and the means to salvation is our destruction.

We can achieve victory by the conquest, occupation, and reconstruction of their societies.

We can also achieve victory by building a wall around global Islam and making sure all believing muslims live inside the fence.

Attempts to "show them" by bombing, or by building schools and clinics, or by hooking up electricity, shows them, all right - it shows them we do not have the will or the valor to conquer and subdue them.

Like Vietnam, in order to win, the other side has to agree.

They never will do this.

They must be beaten, or we lose.

[Jim Noble]

If I was Bush Iran would have one hour to decide whether or not to cease and desists abetting the terrorists in Iraq.

And when the one hour was up, what would you do?

FINALLY issue a call for volunteers, mobilize the economy for war, and raise the 80-100 divisions necessary to conquer, occupy, and reconstruct Arabia, Persia, and Pakistan?

Or make a meaningless demonstration from the safety of the air, showing them again that we can talk the talk but won't walk the walk?

[Jim Noble]

but if you talk to Americans they want to pull the troops back and use the heavy artillery.

This is the history of our People's armed forces: We ALWAYS want to pull back the troops and use the artillery (this actually reflects well on our kindness and the value we place on human life).

Unfortunately, war is not kind, war does not value human life, and pulling back to let the big guns and big planes do the dirty work has failed again and again and again.

As it will in Arabia, and Pakistan.

God still favors the big battalions.

[mad_as_he$$]

I don't know about the polls being BS, but in my circle of friends we have become against the way the war is being fought. Note to all of you shriekers this doesn't mean we are against or do not support the troops - quite the opposite - we support the troops and are tied of them being killed by scumbags. This war needs to go hot or we need to declare victory and come home. Which means that we will ultimately have to go "special" within 20 years. They are outbreeding us and making scumbags as fast as we are killing them. Linear attrition doesn't work - they teach you that in any war college. Funny we can't learn that lesson.

[Just A Nobody]

My concern is that these polls are the only ones that an Iraqi may ever hear about.

I believe you not only underestimate the Iraqis, but you put FAR TOO MUCH weight on polls. How many times do the "polls" have to prove themselves wrong before people realize they are not really "polls" but opinions of some communist anti-American.

don't know how many cards GW has to play.

Our PRESIDENT doesn't play cards, he plays chess.

But he is taking a beating in the MSM.

PRESIDENT Bush takes a beating from the LameSM by virtue of the fact that he exists. It matters not what he says, what he does, how he acts, how he speaks, how he walks ... the morons in the "media" will still despise him.