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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 13
Various News Outlets | 8/7/05

Posted on 08/07/2005 5:22:31 PM PDT by TexKat

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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

it may have been the abandoned hotel...i was just surfing in and out of news related sites and caught it somewhere on the wave...well, someone there certainly must have checked what i saw...it was in the open and the witness on the landfill observation had mentioned a similar station wagon


2,041 posted on 08/11/2005 9:41:31 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: Pepper777; nuntukamen

here's the vicinity of the posts.....nite of Aug 4th....go back to no earlier than 10pm eastern time, when Gretas show started

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1455354/posts?page=1422#1405


2,042 posted on 08/11/2005 9:47:39 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Pepper777

FNC Deepak Kalpoe and his lawyer leaving Aruban courthouse

Deepak in his lawyer's car


2,043 posted on 08/11/2005 9:49:34 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

here is my original post about my "revelation", immediately adter Greta's show.....going forward, someone said they TIVO'd it, and someone else contributed the info about the abandoned hotel......the latter may well be the bext morning IIRC

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1455354/posts?page=1384#1384


2,044 posted on 08/11/2005 9:52:06 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

it may have been the abandoned hotel...i was just surfing in and out of news related sites and caught it somewhere on the wave...well, someone there certainly must have checked what i saw...it was in the open and the witness on the landfill observation had mentioned a similar station wagon


2,045 posted on 08/11/2005 10:17:46 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

the jury may adjourn: i stand corrected...it was a video ...but i still distinctly recall the car--the color of the fender stood out easily...probably a video on her site or maybe even a link i picked up somewhere


2,046 posted on 08/11/2005 10:30:00 PM PDT by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)
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To: Abigail Adams

Melody is only 14

Riehl said she is 19 in a post at RWV a couple of days ago.

2,047 posted on 08/11/2005 10:34:12 PM PDT by elli1
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To: TexKat
....This bears repeating..he is locked into that statement by HT's friends and maybe the police..I think this is what was missing from the declarations...WHY? ....

Charles Croes was available with the Twittys that morning at the VDSs. I do not recall him stating that Joran admitted or stated that he sexually assaulted Natalee.

No he did not state that but he did say it had big implications or such...

If Joran admitted at that particular time that he sexually assualted Natalee he must be pretty brazen. And do you really think that he would have been left at his home unarrested that night, let alone Jug and/or some of his friends kicking Joran's ass on the spot?

I wondered about that -but remember the police asked them to leave when they became unruly..that may have triggered their having to leave...but what bothers me is I believe it was DH saying they became aware of this only a month ago..(maybe he didnt know till a month ago?)did their friends keep it to themselves? It could be Joran said she was passed out or intoxicated when he had sex with her, and they might not have realized at the time that is illegal(in the US) as you can't give consent when incapacitated...I sure would like to have more info as to exactly what was heard by whom...in any case it must be pure havoc for the family to live this nightmare. I actually can see Joran admitting it like so what (bragging) but couching it a little..

2,048 posted on 08/11/2005 10:35:54 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: maggief

I am SO glad to see some follow up on that piece of fabric! It was uncanny how it resembled Natalee's shirt! Come on, Tito!


2,049 posted on 08/11/2005 10:37:18 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: truthluva
Even if there was a sexual assault they could always claim it was consensual sex.

But what if there is DNA on her from 3 or many more men?

2,050 posted on 08/11/2005 10:41:10 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: maggief

Tito's in love!!!


2,051 posted on 08/11/2005 10:48:30 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: johnb838

Anyone seen Ted Williams and Jiminy Cricket in the same room? Hmmm?

2,052 posted on 08/11/2005 10:55:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: rolling_stone
VAN SUSTEREN: Was there any sexual discussion at all?

C. CROES: Yes, there was.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was your observation of his demeanor at the time he was telling you these things?

C. CROES: Very uncomfortable young guy, very, very nervous, very uncomfortable.

I wondered about that -but remember the police asked them to leave when they became unruly..that may have triggered their having to leave...

I don't remember that part. Was that stated by Jug or someone else?

Paul van der Sloot's Changing Story

2,053 posted on 08/11/2005 10:57:11 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

.....I don't remember that part. Was that stated by Jug or someone else?

I dont recall who reported it but I am very sure it was reported they were asked to leave by the Polis...


2,054 posted on 08/11/2005 11:00:26 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: TexKat
If Joran admitted at that particular time that he sexually assualted Natalee he must be pretty brazen. And do you really think that he would have been left at his home unarrested that night, let alone Jug and/or some of his friends kicking Joran's ass on the spot?

IIRC, they were sitting in the car or standing there and people were talking all around them in either Dutch or the local patois, and they weren't understanding what was said. But maybe some of the people they had with them (including Charles?) DID understand and told them later.

And maybe Joran didn't actually admit to sexual assault, maybe he was tricked into admitting to sex with her and also separately for saying she was out of it, hence, he had his way with her when she was unable to consent, say. He may have been tricked into admitting those two facts because to him they might have sounded 200% more innocent than what really DID happen and he may have actually felt some guilt (confess to a smaller deed, feel better about yourself?). And it could have been around there when Paulus yells at him to not say a word.

2,055 posted on 08/11/2005 11:28:55 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: rolling_stone

We think alike. See my post 2055.


2,056 posted on 08/11/2005 11:30:49 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: rolling_stone

It might have been Beth who said they were asked to leave the VDS home. I remember an interview where Beth said she couldn't believe it when they drove away from the VDS home that first night. She said more about that moment, but I can't recall it exactly. It seems like it was a sudden departure that took Beth by surprise and upset her a great deal. She wanted more answers and knew the answers were there with the three suspects. She felt like she was leaving Natalee behind. That's my best recall of what Beth said.


2,057 posted on 08/11/2005 11:39:58 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Yaelle

I think you might be real close to the truth of what went down. Recall Beth saying how Joran pounded his chest saying something along the lines of 'so what do you want me to do about it?' He was full of mocking pride. He very well could have admitted to more than he realized.


2,058 posted on 08/11/2005 11:49:05 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: Pepper777

True, Charles Croes words are chilling. Thanks for pointing out the date he said these words. I notice he is firm in his statements. Not like he is speculating. He's almost Shango-like, only more clearly spoken.


2,059 posted on 08/12/2005 12:06:16 AM PDT by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

Greta is on Jay Leno tonight. Talking about Natalee (she's so little, her feet are dangling, and not touching the floor)


2,060 posted on 08/12/2005 12:21:37 AM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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