[GarySpFc]

You are just denying it because it does not fit your conclusions.

I am denying it because it does not fit the psychological profile of a young lady with high moral standards. My wife came to the same conclusion. Furthermore, we both long ago came to the conclusion Joran is a sociopath.

[justche]

I think you just have to narrow down which poster you're in all probability talking to...kind of sounds like the one who kept comparing her son to Joran. While putting down her other two (apparently) less attractive children.