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Peace group wants barriers out - "He called my brother a terrorist ... and a Nazi"
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 10, 2005 | ALEX LEARY

Posted on 08/10/2005 2:20:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

ST. PETERSBURG - Marshaling forces in response to the arrest of six protesters, the antiwar group St. Pete for Peace on Tuesday demanded the removal of barricades at BayWalk and may sue the city or the entertainment hub's owner on free speech grounds.

"Who does the St. Petersburg Police Department work for, the Sembler Co. or the citizens of St. Petersburg?" local attorney Mark Kamleiter said as more than 40 demonstrators looked on Tuesday evening.

Standing at Second Ave N and Second Street, the group portrayed Saturday night's arrests as part of a broader effort to stifle dissent in favor of business interests and a squeaky clean downtown image.

"We will not give up the public sidewalks that are paid for by all of the citizens of St. Petersburg," Winnie Foster said, fanning herself with a copy of the Constitution.

A few motorists were not impressed. "Losers," one man called out. On the balcony of Dish, a BayWalk restaurant, several children stood with an adult and called out, "George Bush. George Bush."

"Right on people, yell out," responded St. Pete for Peace organizer Chris Ernesto. "Let your voices be heard." All free speech deserves support, he said, even if he disagrees.

The arrests came about 8:30 p.m. Saturday when police say a 13-year-old boy obstructed the sidewalk. Then a man was arrested. When police put the two in a van, demonstrators locked hands to prevent it from leaving. Four more people were arrested, including two 16-year-olds and Ernesto, 41.

St. Pete for Peace, which has come to BayWalk for more than two years, said the trouble began when the city put up barricades last month. Officials said they were for pedestrian safety and to accommodate the group. But protesters Tuesday challenged the city or Sembler Co. to come up with an example of someone who had been hurt.

Kamleiter, who is affiliated with the ACLU, called the police action intimidation and said he was researching legal action. "Our initial feelings were this was an effort by the St. Petersburg Police Department, the Sembler Co. in combination with the mayor's office to limit free speech," he said.

Sembler Co. president Craig Sher said he discussed the situation with city leaders, who recommended the barriers stay in place. "It's a good balance between free speech and letting our customers get in," Sher said Tuesday.

"We're just going to stay the course," he said.

St. Pete for Peace said it would do the same, pledging to return this Saturday and every Saturday until the war is over.

But some say the group, for all its talk about free speech, has been antagonistic toward those with other views.

Guy Cote, a middle school teacher in Tampa who was at BayWalk July 30 to watch Wedding Crashers, said a man asked him if he'd been to Iraq after noticing the Operation Iraqi Freedom T-shirt he wore. Cote said no, but that his brother had just returned from a yearlong tour.

"He called my brother a terrorist ... and a Nazi," Cote said. "He said they're killing innocent people over there and he wished my brother came home in a body bag." Cote, 36, said he told an officer he wanted to press charges of harassment against the protester.

The officer, Cote said, replied that he should complain to the mayor's office. He did.

"I fully understand the freedom of speech and support the freedom of speech," he said Tuesday. "But that does not give people the right to harass others."

Ernesto said he hadn't heard of the incident, but added, "We don't want any Americans killed or any Iraqis killed."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antibush; antiwar; freespeech; lefties; peace; protestors

1 posted on 08/10/2005 2:20:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Are there no police dogs? Are there no water cannon?


2 posted on 08/10/2005 2:28:02 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Free" speech, is a red herring of an issue that the anti-America crowd uses to further and promote it's agenda for the defeat of freedom.

Is anything free? Nothing worthwhile is in my experience.

I'm also real tired of knee jerk demon-strators and so called protestors too.


3 posted on 08/10/2005 2:35:49 AM PDT by garyhope (Islamofascism wants the death of Western civilization. Simple as that.)
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To: garyhope; BigCinBigD
Jane Fonda to tour in opposition to war in Iraq - bus to run on vegetable oil

Cindy Sheehan Says Reporters in Crawford Support Her Anti-Bush Protest

4 posted on 08/10/2005 2:55:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They sound sort of like the people at abortion clinics, don't they? Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot, the liberals don't like having a "buffer zone".


5 posted on 08/10/2005 3:25:07 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: I still care

And the MSM obliges them.


6 posted on 08/10/2005 3:26:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well they weren't arrested for protesting, they were arrested for blocking the sidewalk, so it's not a free speech issue.

They should be allowed to protest though on city sidewalks, as long as they don't obstruct the flow of pediestrians.

Just from reading the examples in this article, it's obvious that they turn off people rather than convert them to their way of thinking.


7 posted on 08/10/2005 3:31:50 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Like most LIBERALS do.

They're in your face.


8 posted on 08/10/2005 4:27:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BigCinBigD

What of paint ball guns with the balls full of skunk urine (scented of course)???


9 posted on 08/10/2005 4:46:33 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: I still care
They sound sort of like the people at abortion clinics, don't they?

GMTA? Those were my first thoughts also. Legal precedent has been set, and we all know that liberals LOVE precedent...

10 posted on 08/10/2005 5:44:59 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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"They sound sort of like the people at abortion clinics, don't they?

GMTA? Those were my first thoughts also. Legal precedent has been set, and we all know that liberals LOVE precedent..."

Exactly! The ACLU set precedent by restricting(!) the free speech of prolifers outside abortion clinics.

The abortion enthusiasts, anarchists, socialists, America haters, and anti war freaks have to abide by the same laws. Naturally, as liberals, they thing the law only applies to conservatives.

The laws of unintended consequences apply once again!! LOL!


11 posted on 08/10/2005 6:25:00 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (The ACLU empowers terrorists and criminals, weakens America, and degrades our society.)
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To: SampleMan
What of paint ball guns with the balls full of skunk urine (scented of course)???

LOL

Sounds good, but, ummm, who is going to get the job of filling up the skunk urine paint balls?

12 posted on 08/10/2005 6:27:20 AM PDT by Col Freeper (Hacking and slashing at the tentacles of Islamofascism!)
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To: SampleMan

"What of paint ball guns with the balls full of skunk urine (scented of course)???"

Can you buy those? I think making them goes above and beyond the call of duty!

What about the more classic manifestations of free speech, the rotten egg and tomato throwing?


13 posted on 08/10/2005 6:27:43 AM PDT by SpinyNorman (The ACLU empowers terrorists and criminals, weakens America, and degrades our society.)
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