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We're All Global Warmers Now
Reason ^ | August 11, 2005 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 08/12/2005 5:14:24 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Wake me when the world ends....(snore)


21 posted on 08/12/2005 5:36:26 PM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: patton
Against what real-world event were these model results validated?

Melting and shrinking glaciers as well as various temperature records from the earth's surface, weather ballons and satellites, IIRC.

22 posted on 08/12/2005 5:38:18 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

And if the Yellowstone basin erupts, or there is an asteroid impact on the earth, or if there is a nuclear war, the warming rate will be –110 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

So what’s their point? If everything goes really, really well we will have only a 0.15-degree increase per decade??


23 posted on 08/12/2005 5:39:00 PM PDT by Herakles
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To: neverdem
Anyone still holding onto the idea that there is no global warming ought to hang it up.

Some should certainly hang it up, but not the ones identified.

No technically informed person I know has denied global warming; just the cause of it.

No one with an IQ over refrigerator temperature can conclude that this rise in unique and not natural.
A casual glance at the temperature record for the last 400,000 years clearly shows the futility of being able to separate the confounding effect of man-made activities on the hundreds of recorded naturally occuring wide temperature fluctuations.

End of non-story.

24 posted on 08/12/2005 5:39:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Jim_Curtis
Yup, adjustments always do the trick.

That's what global warming fanatics have always depended on. Remember though, 83% of all statistics are lies.

25 posted on 08/12/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by irv
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To: neverdem

> "The new warming trend is still well below ideas of
> dramatic or catastrophic warming."

And slow enough to allow ample time to take steps, if
any steps are indeed indicated - irrespective of the
cause of the warming.

So what is the correlation between Earth temps and
Solar insolation?

Do we want to loft a giant sunshade?


26 posted on 08/12/2005 5:40:30 PM PDT by Boundless (Imagine if Fox had a news channel)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Anyone and anything that farts is a global warmer.

I have this great idea! I'm going to put in a cork distributorship.

My new slogan: Corks to stop global warming!

Cow size corks extra. Hippopotamus size corks extra extra!

27 posted on 08/12/2005 5:41:05 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: neverdem

Predicting long time scale climatic trends using the data they cite is like extrapolating the entire contents of the Los Angeles Yellow Pages by the contents of the first page. Ice cores which still only record the geologically recent indicate that large climate swings both up and down are commonplace. Just another attempt to justify the removal of certain refrigerants from the market and the continued existence of the industry hampering nanny state.


29 posted on 08/12/2005 5:45:57 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem
Anyone still holding onto the idea that there is no global warming ought to hang it up.

Remember the global cooling scare in the mid 70's?

Just think how bad off we'd be if we reacted to those scientists warnings and had spent $Trillions over the last 30 years trying to warm the planet.

I still am waiting for the environmentalists to use the same computer models to "predict" the past. We know a lot more about the past and it would give us great insight into how accurate their predictions for the future are.

30 posted on 08/12/2005 5:50:03 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL; patton; Straight Vermonter; All
Global Warming on Mars?
31 posted on 08/12/2005 5:56:15 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Reconciling model trends by making adjustments in basic parameters is unimpressive. And it is surprising that the article would reference the IPCC original projections, given that the IPCC's data are known to have been cooked and have been decisively discredited years since. This whole area of "science" (loosely termed) has been compromised by political Lysenko-ization. I wouldn't trust a one of these so-called "researchers." Sadly we just know too much these days about how scientists will readily lie for money, prestige, tenure, what have you.


32 posted on 08/12/2005 5:57:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: RJL

Back in the 70s, the envirokooks here in Arizona said that "global cooling" was happening because the Saquaro cactii were moving further south towards Phoenix. Now that we have settled on "global warning," I haven't seen any indications that they have started moving north. They are still in the same place I've known them to be for the past 50 years. Go figure.


33 posted on 08/12/2005 5:57:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: neverdem

but since we're at "Peak Oil" (barf alert) http://www.peakoil.net/ , CO2 emissions should be reaching a maximum right about now. Then using the CO2 logic, we're going to sink into another ICE AGE!!! Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!


34 posted on 08/12/2005 6:00:28 PM PDT by theymakemesick
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To: MassRepublican

From 800 a.d to about 1200 a.d the climate of the earth had to be quite a bit warmer for Greenland to have been settled and crops grown by the Vikings. Why didn't this tremendous warming result in millions of deaths around the world from rising ocean levels? Surely some historian would have recorded changes in water levels. I guess the world didn't end from the effects of this warming (/sarcasm).


35 posted on 08/12/2005 6:00:53 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: patton

Oh my god, almost a whole degree increase per century. We're all gonna die!!!! (yuk,yuk)


36 posted on 08/12/2005 6:03:16 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: neverdem
OK OK, Lets say that this is a proven fact that it will warm 2.0c by 2100.

We still have not determined, "How much of this is human caused vs. nature?"

And even if we answer this question:

The next two are even more difficult to answer, maybe we should just leave it alone:
What can we do without causing another equally bad result??
        --    We could do more damage than what would have happened if we had left it alone.
        --    We are talking about trying to manliplate the climate on a global scale.

And secondly, what is the cost benefit analysis say?
        ---    Are we trying to buy pennies for dollars???
        ---    It it going to cost more lives to stop it vs. just dealing with it?
37 posted on 08/12/2005 6:06:27 PM PDT by dila813
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To: neverdem

It's all China's fault. And India's. And, of course, Bush's.


38 posted on 08/12/2005 6:09:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: neverdem

Guess we better start building those nuke plants.


39 posted on 08/12/2005 6:10:47 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: neverdem
I don't mean to attack you, but you recall something that never happened.

NO climate model has ever been validated.

40 posted on 08/12/2005 6:12:03 PM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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