Only these guys...
...would think we come from these guys!
Posted on 08/13/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
The cover story of the August 15, 2005, issue of Time magazine is Claudia Wallis's "The evolution wars" -- the first cover story on the creationism/evolution controversy in a major national newsweekly in recent memory.
With "When Bush joined the fray last week, the question grew hotter: Is 'intelligent design' a real science? And should it be taught in schools?" as its subhead, the article, in the space of over 3000 words, reviews the current situation in detail. Highlights of the article include:
While Wallis's article is inevitably not as scientifically detailed as, for example, H. Allen Orr's recent article in The New Yorker, or as politically astute as, for example, Chris Mooney's recent article in The American Prospect, overall it accomplishes the important goal of informing the general reader that antievolutionism -- whether it takes the form of creation science, "intelligent design," or calls to "teach the controversy" -- is scientifically unwarranted, pedagogically irresponsible, and constitutionally problematic.
Theory: When an interbreeding population splits into two separate groups, both groups will gradually change over multiple generations in different ways until they are no longer the same.
First, your observation is correct. However, is contradicted by your "theory", as the populations in your "observation", seem to be able to interbreed(at least there is no mention of them not interbreeding). Also, you will need to define "natural selection" as this seems to be the basis for the "change". This "natural selection" seems like more of a candidate for a "theory" than your theory.
Second, your "theory" does not match/explain your "observation" but is in essence a completely separate observation (and quite possibly hard to prove has been observed). Therefore this fails the Scientific Method and is not a theory at all.
W.K.
In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again.
When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.
found at: http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/ariel.htm
I will return to my meditations (which in Daoist practice are "sitting and forgetting") at which I am most skilled.
"So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words."
Sure sounds like a religion to me, all that shaking going on.
Sorry, even late on a Saturday night science is not a religion, as much as some would have it so.
I was away from the computer for a while and was thinking, of course, he is thinking of astrology, the oldest science. It is believed in and followed by far more people than have ever taken high school biology.
It is also far older than any organized religion. Faith does trump materialistic science, after all.
Well, Yes. Creating the possibility of Evil removes Him from being All-Good unless you are willing to assert that the Existence of Evil is somehow Good.
Actually you need to study Christian Apologetics because your position isn't particularly orthodox or mainstream.
he knows that what might happen to you, does not change the fact that you create your own destiny, that you make your own choices, he gave us freewill.
The assertion that He is both Omniscient and Omnipotent means that the Universe cannot unfold in any manner inconsistent with His Omniscience. Thus all my choices were Foreseen and I cannot choose anything that was not pre-ordained. This is not freewill, it is pre-destination. This has always been obvious to me, even before I studied logic. It is a "mutually exclusive" condition.
Let's examine the question. Can God be "surprised?" If you say "Yes" then that means that there was something that could happen that He didn't have knowledge of, since to be "surprised" means one doesn't know what is going to happen. If you say no He can't be surprised then human beings, who are surprised from time to time, know something that God cannot know. Then He is not Omniscient, which violates one of the definitions of His Divinity. In other words, it is a self contained contradiction. Where did He learn the concept of "surprise" if He already knows everything in advance? How can there be freewill if everything that everyone does and is to do is already seen in the mind of an Omnipotent God? The only way there could be freewill is if someone did something that "surpised" Him.
The fact you can't see this is evidence of the level of your brainwashing. You simply can't think for yourself.
I know I am going to die, its unavoidable. So since its etched in stone and unavoidable, I should say go ahead and shoot myself no, or better yet how about quit my job sell my car by a gun and kill many people, maybe thats what I should do, I mean since there is no greater intelligence out there I will just cease to be and since I am going to die anyways whats the harm in a few people cut short by me.
You conflated several ideas, which are logically opposed. It kind of reveals the level of your thought processes.
I know I am going to die, its unavoidable. So since its etched in stone and unavoidable
Well, that is true, no matter what you believe.
I should say go ahead and shoot myself no, or better yet how about quit my job sell my car by a gun and kill many people, maybe thats what I should do
That presupposes you have lived your life in such a poor manner that you have nothing further to live for. Some do and some don't.
I mean since there is no greater intelligence out there I will just cease to be and since I am going to die anyways whats the harm in a few people cut short by me.
This is where you went off the deep end because if "there is no greater intelligence out there" then you DO have freewill choice because there is nothing to predetermine it. If there IS (an Omniscient and Omnipotent Being) and it is foreseen that you will do a Columbine, then you will do a Columbine. You are making an argument that I am not making, in an attempt to refute what I am not saying. This whole line of argumentation is a non-sequitur, it makes no sense. You are arguing from both sides of the fence. Witness:
And if I followed your argument on this that means I only did what I was meant to do.
But you contradicted yourself, "there is no greater intelligence" verses the idea that all your actions are pre-ordained by that "greater intelligence." Actions can only "freewill" if they aren't predetermined, and if there is no "greater intelligence" to predetermine them, then, and only then, is there freewill.
You guys are good, I could never have made sense of this as well as this quote.
In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.
I just want your "theory of evolution". I took the time to read through the post and couldn't find even one theory in it. If there is, my apologies and I know you will point it out to me.
It took some typing to bring you this link. If you come back with something simple like "How much space does the actual Theory take up? and will you post that also?" you go on my fester list.
Well, I wouldn't want to be on your fester list, but as you seem to indicate you didn't post the ToE and as I have read your post and couldn't find it, would you please post it.
It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms.
This is not a proven fact and as even evolutionists must agree, the first life form could not have come from a previous life form, unless of course you believe in ID, which I do not.
W.K.
"Sorry, even late on a Saturday night science is not a religion, as much as some would have it so."
I agree science is not a religion, however evolution is. This man's own words exposes what it means to him, question his own existence????
How dare you suggest direct observation and testability in real time be necessary to science. Don't you understand we have a 150-year-old philosophy to prop up?
If you replace the term evolution, with the word change, it almost becomes comical...considering that they are talking about serious science.
Perhaps you should explain your definition of what a theory is.
How dare you suggest direct observation and testability in real time be necessary to science. Don't you understand we have a 150-year-old philosophy to prop up?
I know, how could I possibly bring the Scientific Method in and question the almighty God of Evolution? I must be a heretic wanting science to be scientific.
W.K.
Religion? You want religion. Well, here it is. I want this taught in all the schools. This is real creation science!
[Night all]
This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.
He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle, indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.
He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.
That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....
The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;
And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal abode of the waters.
From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of self-consciousness and is lordly.
Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive the objects of sensation.
But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.
chicken or egg?
Then move to India.
Only these guys...
...would think we come from these guys!
Stronger than evolutionism, to be sure, but still weak science.
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I give up. We are arguing with idiots!
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Demonstrate how evolution is a religion.
Hire the lawyers and knock yourself out.
Of course evolution is based on empirical evidence and the scientific method, but if you really believe what you write, sue.
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