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"The evolution wars" in Time [Time Magazine's cover story]
National Center for Science Education ^ | 11 August 2005 | Staff

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

The cover story of the August 15, 2005, issue of Time magazine is Claudia Wallis's "The evolution wars" -- the first cover story on the creationism/evolution controversy in a major national newsweekly in recent memory.

With "When Bush joined the fray last week, the question grew hotter: Is 'intelligent design' a real science? And should it be taught in schools?" as its subhead, the article, in the space of over 3000 words, reviews the current situation in detail. Highlights of the article include:

While Wallis's article is inevitably not as scientifically detailed as, for example, H. Allen Orr's recent article in The New Yorker, or as politically astute as, for example, Chris Mooney's recent article in The American Prospect, overall it accomplishes the important goal of informing the general reader that antievolutionism -- whether it takes the form of creation science, "intelligent design," or calls to "teach the controversy" -- is scientifically unwarranted, pedagogically irresponsible, and constitutionally problematic.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinschmarwin; headinsand; scienceeducation; timemag; timemagazine
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To: RightWingAtheist
I was interested until I got until the part where it called an American Prospect article "politically astute". Blech.

Nevertheless, I thought it was good enough that I've just added it to The List-O-Links:

NEW Inferior Design. Revealing info on ID and the Discovery Institute.

221 posted on 08/14/2005 6:19:54 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
That's a nice link, but--sorry to disappoint you--this is the way it REALLY was (I have it on good authority, Old Man Coyote told me):


Creation of the Earth

The world was once nothing but water. The only land above the water was Black Mountain. All the people lived up there when the flood came, and their fireplaces can still be seen.

Fish-eater and Hawk lived there. Fish-eater was Hawk's uncle. One day they were singing and shaking a rattle. As they sang, Hawk shook this rattle and dirt began to fall out of it. They sang all night, shaking the rattle the whole time. Soon there was so much dirt on the water that the water started to go down. When it had gone all the way down, they put up the Sierra Nevada to hold the ocean back. Soon they saw a river running down through the valley.

When they finished making the earth, Hawk said, "Well, we have finished. Here is a rabbit for me. I will live on rabbits in my lifetime." Fish-eater was over a swampy place, and he said, "I will live on fish in my lifetime." They had plenty to eat for themselves. It was finished.

Owens Valley Paiute creation story, eastern California


222 posted on 08/14/2005 6:35:58 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: js1138

It is Fester.


223 posted on 08/14/2005 6:36:53 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"Frankly, astrology has been around a lot longer and makes more sense. At least it deals with a certain amount of direct observation in real time."

Astrology has direct observation? Could you explain further?

224 posted on 08/14/2005 6:45:17 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry
...and the Dover school-board member who drove the policy in question made his conservative Christian motivations clear in widely reported public statements (which he now disputes having made)...

And who is surprised at this.

225 posted on 08/14/2005 6:46:50 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: b_sharp
Astrology has direct observation? Could you explain further?

It's called "looking at the stars."

226 posted on 08/14/2005 6:50:10 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138
And who is surprised at this.

I'm shocked that a creationist would tell a lie. Shocked!

227 posted on 08/14/2005 6:53:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

The guys in Alabama denied having religious motives also, but they had committed themselves in writing.


228 posted on 08/14/2005 6:55:34 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"It's called "looking at the stars."


Looking at the stars will do nothing to substantiate or disprove ANY theory of astrology. I think you are thinking of the science of ASTRONOMY. Not surprising for one who discounts most science of the past 200 years.
229 posted on 08/14/2005 6:57:24 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: js1138
Re: your tagline: Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...


Some scientists have found a way to have: fun playing in the dirt, paying attention, writing down numbers...

The best of all possible worlds.

230 posted on 08/14/2005 6:59:23 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Looking at the stars will do nothing to substantiate or disprove ANY theory of astrology.

Of course not. But at least astrology engages in direct observation, which is more than I can say for evolutionism.

231 posted on 08/14/2005 7:00:32 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RobbyS
Guilt by association alert.
232 posted on 08/14/2005 7:01:07 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Of course not. But at least astrology engages in direct observation, which is more than I can say for evolutionism."

Direct observation of what? The stars? No different than navel staring. Just like creationism.


233 posted on 08/14/2005 7:06:03 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Direct observation of what? The stars? No different than navel staring.

I reckon there might be a handful of astronomers who would beg to differ, but that's just me.

234 posted on 08/14/2005 7:19:08 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Counting pebbles on the beach. Now that's real science. None of this anti-God speculation.


235 posted on 08/14/2005 7:21:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I can look at the stars all night. That doesn't mean I am practicing astrology. The stars are hardly evidence of the ability to predict the future. Astrology has more to do with where the Earth is in its orbit about the sun.


236 posted on 08/14/2005 7:26:36 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"I reckon there might be a handful of astronomers who would beg to differ, but that's just me."

You are correct. That WOULD just be you. Direct observation of the stars will not substantiate or disprove ANY theory of astrology. Any astronomer worth his salt will agree. Keep chugging those beers!


237 posted on 08/14/2005 7:27:53 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: b_sharp

The stars are not evidence for anything unless you have the imagination to make a testable hypothesis.

You can count beans all day but until you speculate on sme aspect of the beans you are just counting beans.\

When ID makes a hypothesis that can be tested, it will be engaging in science. If we count the hypothesis that the bacterial flagellum is irrducible, then it is already falsified.

If ID wants to be taught as science, it will have to say something that suggests a line of research.

Fester, of course, is not arguing for ID. He is a young earth creationist. Somehow he is only willing to criticise natural selection, but his position rejects nearly all of science.


238 posted on 08/14/2005 7:33:08 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Direct observation of the stars will not substantiate or disprove ANY theory of astrology.

And to think the better part of evolutionism doesn't entail the least bit of direct observation, yet you consider it to be "science." Keep drinking that kool-aid!

239 posted on 08/14/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: b_sharp
Astrology has more to do with where the Earth is in its orbit about the sun.

You know more about it than I do. Apparently you take it more seriously, too. I would expect as much from one who subscribes to the evolutionist notions that all life is derived from a common ancestor and matter is able to organize itself apart from an intelligent agent.

240 posted on 08/14/2005 7:38:43 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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