Dang it I was going to quit arguing but you had to drag me back into it. :)
So GOD creating a neutral balance, which means good along with evil, love along with hate. Automatically removes him from worthy of being worshipped?
heres the good one you came up with, its excellent:
Actually this is impossible. He knew my name before I was born and knew all my choices before I was born. I could not act in a manner that contradicted His foreknowledge so He decided long before I was born whether I would be evil, which you admit He created, or whether I would be saved. There is no free will there.>>
WOW, just wow. Because GOD may know all, be all the alpha and the omega. And he knows that what might happen to you, does not change the fact that you create your own destiny, that you make your own choices, he gave us freewill.
I know I am going to die, its unavoidable. So since its etched in stone and unavoidable, I should say go ahead and shoot myself no, or better yet how about quit my job sell my car by a gun and kill many people, maybe thats what I should do, I mean since there is no greater intelligence out there I will just cease to be and since I am going to die anyways whats the harm in a few people cut short by me. And if I followed your argument on this that means I only did what I was meant to do.
No more arguing for me, supper time.
Well, Yes. Creating the possibility of Evil removes Him from being All-Good unless you are willing to assert that the Existence of Evil is somehow Good.
Actually you need to study Christian Apologetics because your position isn't particularly orthodox or mainstream.
he knows that what might happen to you, does not change the fact that you create your own destiny, that you make your own choices, he gave us freewill.
The assertion that He is both Omniscient and Omnipotent means that the Universe cannot unfold in any manner inconsistent with His Omniscience. Thus all my choices were Foreseen and I cannot choose anything that was not pre-ordained. This is not freewill, it is pre-destination. This has always been obvious to me, even before I studied logic. It is a "mutually exclusive" condition.
Let's examine the question. Can God be "surprised?" If you say "Yes" then that means that there was something that could happen that He didn't have knowledge of, since to be "surprised" means one doesn't know what is going to happen. If you say no He can't be surprised then human beings, who are surprised from time to time, know something that God cannot know. Then He is not Omniscient, which violates one of the definitions of His Divinity. In other words, it is a self contained contradiction. Where did He learn the concept of "surprise" if He already knows everything in advance? How can there be freewill if everything that everyone does and is to do is already seen in the mind of an Omnipotent God? The only way there could be freewill is if someone did something that "surpised" Him.
The fact you can't see this is evidence of the level of your brainwashing. You simply can't think for yourself.
I know I am going to die, its unavoidable. So since its etched in stone and unavoidable, I should say go ahead and shoot myself no, or better yet how about quit my job sell my car by a gun and kill many people, maybe thats what I should do, I mean since there is no greater intelligence out there I will just cease to be and since I am going to die anyways whats the harm in a few people cut short by me.
You conflated several ideas, which are logically opposed. It kind of reveals the level of your thought processes.
I know I am going to die, its unavoidable. So since its etched in stone and unavoidable
Well, that is true, no matter what you believe.
I should say go ahead and shoot myself no, or better yet how about quit my job sell my car by a gun and kill many people, maybe thats what I should do
That presupposes you have lived your life in such a poor manner that you have nothing further to live for. Some do and some don't.
I mean since there is no greater intelligence out there I will just cease to be and since I am going to die anyways whats the harm in a few people cut short by me.
This is where you went off the deep end because if "there is no greater intelligence out there" then you DO have freewill choice because there is nothing to predetermine it. If there IS (an Omniscient and Omnipotent Being) and it is foreseen that you will do a Columbine, then you will do a Columbine. You are making an argument that I am not making, in an attempt to refute what I am not saying. This whole line of argumentation is a non-sequitur, it makes no sense. You are arguing from both sides of the fence. Witness:
And if I followed your argument on this that means I only did what I was meant to do.
But you contradicted yourself, "there is no greater intelligence" verses the idea that all your actions are pre-ordained by that "greater intelligence." Actions can only "freewill" if they aren't predetermined, and if there is no "greater intelligence" to predetermine them, then, and only then, is there freewill.