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To: Reborn
You do realize, of course, that Ur, Iraq, is where Abraham's roots are while Moses lead the Hebrews to their "Promised Land" which, I know this makes you uncomfortable, was *already* occupied.

In earthly matters we *cannot* accept some religious tradition or superstition to resolve who has a "right" to a piece of dirt. Besides, if Jesus is the Messiah, the Jews are all religiously out of step not unlike the Pharisees and Sadducees as depicted and described in the Bible or the Greek and Roman pagan worshipers.

This is one reason I get queasy over those who pursue politics from their Faith's tenets rather than acknowledging a different calling as an American, a calling that involves equality, free and fair debate. Setting aside your articles of Faith in matters of political will does not mean you are supporting or endorsing evil but that you are well grounded enough in the humanist philosophical foundations behind many of your Faith's values to rationally argue for your view to hold sway.

You don't have to be a Christian to be pro-life and take up that argument. Nor do you have to be pro-abortion to understand you can only argue, debate, educate and attempt to persuade women to "choose life" since each American is a sovereign citizen subject to no one's absolute control. It's like Bush says about the need to *change hearts* to make progress on this issue while "reasonable people can disagree." I have to disagree with him on the "reasonable" part. I don't see how any "reasonable" person can not see partial-birth abortion as infanticide.

306 posted on 08/14/2005 6:30:54 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Choose LIFE. Circumcision = Barbarism. It's HIS body; what about HIS right to choose?)
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To: newzjunkey
You do realize, of course, that Ur, Iraq, is where Abraham's roots are while Moses lead the Hebrews to their "Promised Land" which, I know this makes you uncomfortable, was *already* occupied.

Um......I would've considered having an interesting discussion on this, but you blew it big time with your LOADED AND ASININE STATEMENT in the very FIRST sentence. So, you KNOW "this" makes me uncomfortable do you? And do you KNOW my hairstyle as well? Do tell? Or are you just "all-knowing"? In that case, how about the winning numbers for the next lottery tickets I buy, SHEESH! I'm sorry, but this type of LOADED BS is typical in today's MSM, and I have to get my "BS Detector" out everytime I read any of it, but I'm sure not going to put up with it when posting with others on a discussion board. Oh, and for your information, NO, it wouldn't have made me uncomfortable at all. [enter rolling eyes icon here]

308 posted on 08/14/2005 6:43:14 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: newzjunkey

"You do realize, of course, that Ur, Iraq, is where Abraham's roots are while Moses lead the Hebrews to their "Promised Land" which, I know this makes you uncomfortable, was *already* occupied."

Not by Arabs, who are relative latecomers.

For example, the Philistines were Hellenic and had come from elsewhere as well.

"I don't see how any "reasonable" person can not see partial-birth abortion as infanticide"

On this, I agree.


323 posted on 08/14/2005 7:34:22 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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