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Trashing our history: troops in Iraq
townhall.com ^ | August 10, 2005 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 08/15/2005 9:19:15 AM PDT by hauerf

All the American deaths in Iraq since the war began are not even half of the deaths of U.S. Marines taking the one island of Iwo Jima in a couple of months of fighting. And Iwo Jima was just one battle in a war that was raging on other fronts around the world simultaneously and continuing for nearly four long years. - Thomas Sowell

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: thomassowell
This is not just an excerpt. It is a very tiny excerpt from a typical, excellent Thomas Sowell column. Check the whole article at the source URL.
1 posted on 08/15/2005 9:19:16 AM PDT by hauerf
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To: hauerf

In World War II, something like 400,000 US military personnel were killed or missing in action and presumed dead, in the some three years and eight months of that war.

Accidents and "friendly fire" managed to cause the deaths of vastly more US soldiers during that period, than have suffered death of all causes in Iraq and Afghanistan. But then, it was not at all the same kind of war, with massed armies sitting on opposite sides of a somewhat identifiable line of battle.


2 posted on 08/15/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: hauerf
I don't think we are required to excerpt Town Hall--

Back in June, this column pointed out that it is impossible to fight a war without heroism -- but that you would never know that from the mainstream media. Nothing heroic done by American troops in Iraq is likely to make headlines in the New York Times or be featured on the big three broadcast network news programs.

That fact has now been belatedly recognized in a New York Times opinion piece, but with a strange twist.

After briefly mentioning a few acts of bravery in Iraq -- including a Marine who smothered an enemy grenade with his own body, saving the lives of his fellow Marines at the cost of his own -- the Times' writer said, "the military, the White House and the culture at large have not publicized their actions with the zeal that was lavished on the heroes of World War I and World War II."

Think about that spin: The reason we don't hear about such things is because of the Pentagon, Bush and "the culture at large."

Neither the Pentagon, the White House or "the culture at large" can stop the newspapers or the televisions networks from publicizing whatever they want to publicize. They all have reporters on the scene but what they choose to feature in their reports are all the negative things they can find.

The very issue of the New York Times in which this essay appeared -- August 7th -- featured a front-page picture of a funeral for a Marine killed in Iraq. If you judged by the front page of this and many other newspapers, our troops in Iraq don't do anything except get killed.

The plain fact is that the mainstream media have been too busy depicting our troops as victims to have much time left to tell about the heroic things they have done, the far greater casualties which they have inflicted on their enemies, or their attempts to restore some basic services and basic decencies to this country that has been torn apart for years by internal and external wars -- even before the first American troops arrived on the scene.

The unrelenting quest for stories depicting American troops as victims -- including even front-page stories about the financial problems of some National Guardsmen called to active duty -- has created a virtual reality in the media that has no place for heroes.

Senator John Kerry has called the activation of reservists and National Guardsmen "a backdoor draft," as if joining the reserves or the National Guard is supposed to mean an exemption from ever having to fight. The theme of troops as victims has been a steady drumbeat in the media, because of the way the media have chosen to filter the news, filtering out heroes, among other things.

This virtual reality can become more important than any facts. Even a young lady interviewer on Fox News Channel -- of all places -- recently asked a guest how long the American people will be able to continue supporting the war in Iraq with all the casualties.

All the American deaths in Iraq since the war began are not even half of the deaths of U.S. Marines taking the one island of Iwo Jima in a couple of months of fighting. And Iwo Jima was just one battle in a war that was raging on other fronts around the world simultaneously and continuing for nearly four long years.

It is not the casualties which are unprecedented but the media filtering and the gullibility of those who accept the virtual reality created by the media.

This is a re-creation of the media's role in the Vietnam war, where American victories on the battlefield were turned into defeat on the home front by the filtering and spin of the media.

Even the current Communist rulers of Vietnam have admitted that they lost militarily in Vietnam but hung on because they expected to win politically in the United States -- as they did, with the help of the Jane Fondas, the Walter Cronkhites and a cast of thousands in the streets and on campuses across the country.

The very people who have been anti-military for years, who filter out American heroes in battle, are now proclaiming that they are "honoring" our troops by publicizing every death by name, day in and day out.

Has the dumbed-down education in our schools left us so ill-equipped that we cannot see through even the most blatant hypocrisy?

3 posted on 08/15/2005 9:51:59 AM PDT by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: hauerf
I've liked all the Sowell articles that I've read. He's succinct - He makes good points and wraps it up as to not dilute his argument with multiple tangents. A quick read with no fluff. (And he's got it in for the MSM big time!)
4 posted on 08/15/2005 9:58:39 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax

"Senator John Kerry has called the activation of reservists and National Guardsmen "a backdoor draft," as if joining the reserves or the National Guard is supposed to mean an exemption from ever having to fight. The theme of troops as victims has been a steady drumbeat in the media, because of the way the media have chosen to filter the news, filtering out heroes, among other things."

This was all setup during Clinton's Bottoms up review of the military back in 93'. It was decided then to CUT the active duty force levels and rely heavily on the reserves and Guard to augment the residual samller active force....The Peace Dividend.


Senator Kerry must be forgetting that around the same time he was pushing for the forced early retirement of 80,000 senior enlisted. Where would we be now had that insanity gained traction?


5 posted on 08/15/2005 10:05:03 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: hauerf

Of course, everyone had to go through a lot of pain on both the military and the home front. That's because war was declared and we had plans to get the war on Blitzkreig and Kamikaze over quickly [of course we did use 'terms']. Took less time than the WOT.


6 posted on 08/15/2005 10:30:45 AM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: Sax

In 36 days of fighting there were 25,851 US casualties (1 in 3 were killed or wounded). Of these, 6,825 American boys were killed. More US Marines earned the Medal of Honor on Iwo Jima than in any other battle in US History.


"Uncommon valor was a common virtue"

These numbers are in no way intended to denigrate or minimize the sacrifices being made on our behalf in the war against islamic fascists in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other unreported locales. They are intended to make the point that America made major, hideous sacrifices for freedom in the past. Now, our country and our military are being knowingly undermined and stabbed in the back by an unholy confluence that includes the democrat party, hollywood, academe, the "mainstream" media, the unions, and other anti-American seditious organizations. We at FreeRepublic must fight back through all available means, or we could indeed lose to the islamists.


7 posted on 08/15/2005 10:41:01 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: ex-snook

Don't forget FDR's unforgettable speech denounncing the Day of Infamy and declaring war on sneak attacks.


8 posted on 08/15/2005 10:42:53 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: hauerf

It's quite correct that US casualties in Iraq are minuscule low compared with, say, road fatalities, domestic accidents or food poisoning cases, let alone with WW2 or Vietnam. So why do all you Americans start wailing when a bunch of GI's get unlucky? It sounds callous, but the adequate responses would be: "Oh, very sad. Now let's hear some important news, like about basketball results." or even "Is that the best they can do? Bring 'em on!" After all, during WW2 nobody bothered too much about casualties.
Seriously, you can take losses on this scale indefinitely; recruiting is only slightly down. If you don't want the casualties affecting morale, just ignore them, show the enemy that casualties don't faze you. After all, the troops volunteered and they're doing their job.
As Roosevelt (?) said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".
If you really think this is WW3, count yourselves lucky you've lost so few men.


9 posted on 08/15/2005 10:46:39 AM PDT by ukman
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To: Defiant

"I don't think we are required to excerpt Town Hall--"

Yeah, I know. I excerpted as I did to highlight that one stark fact. I figure that with the US engaged in a world war with an enemy that hopes to destroy us, if the American people allow our internal quislings to "Vietnam-ize" this war, we stand to lose all we hold dear.


10 posted on 08/15/2005 5:17:05 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: hauerf

>I figure that with the US engaged in a world war with an enemy that hopes to destroy us, if the American people allow our internal quislings to "Vietnam-ize" this war, we stand to lose all we hold dear.<

If you really believe you are engaged in a world war, you should "world-war-ize" it, i.e. put a bit more effort into it. That means a lot more troops, a lot more industry devoted to war material production, higher taxes to fund it all and rationing (for example of gasoline). Plus the readiness to accept a far higher casualties than the few you've had so far. You also have to be prepared for defeats and be able to take them in your stride. If you lose in Iraq, the global war on terror won't be lost.


11 posted on 08/15/2005 11:56:58 PM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman

I'll tell you why, as you so "quaintly" state "...why do all you Americans start wailing when a bunch of GI's get unlucky?"

The reason is, as opposed to our enemies, we value each and every one of our troops. They are our children, our brothers and sisters, our parents, our coworkers, our friends and neighbors. They are our BLOOD.

Our troops are the best America has to give, and IMO each drop of their blood is worth more than the lives of all the scum WE now fight to the death.

Let me try to make it simple for you, Americans are humans, NOT frikkin animals.

Rodger that?


12 posted on 08/16/2005 12:19:56 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (I wish we could meet face to face to "discuss" this, I could "clarify" our LOVE for our troops)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

Yes, I roger that. It's very good and fitting that you value them, and I'm acutely aware that Americans are humans, like the rest of us. However, you didn't seriously think you could wage WW3 and not lose any soldiers?
You should get used to casualties, and shrug them off as inevitable. Sad, but no sadder than all those Iraqi soldiers and policemen who are getting killed in even greater numbers (and arguably are more important for the future stability of Iraq than GIs are).
Of course, my personal POV is that one foreign soldier is worth no more or less than any other foreign soldier.
Don't get too excited. In a war,you have to get a grip.


13 posted on 08/16/2005 12:51:40 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman

I see that you, like many non-Americans, confuse kindness with weakness.

I don't need you to explain the realities of WAR to me chica, I've been there. So was my father, and his father, and his father before him... all the way back to where we kicked the Redcoats off of this land.

If you listen to our lamestream media and think that's what Americans really think, or feel, you are a fool.

This is WW3, and it's going to last for generations, lots of folks are going to die. We haven't even really started yet.

Wait until America decides to get angry, then you and the rest of the world will hide beneath your beds and whimper in girlish terror.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 1:21:46 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("FTW" Rodger that chica?)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

If you want to call me Chica, can I call you Porky?

I never read American media, why on earth should I?

>Wait until America decides to get angry, then you and the rest of the world will hide beneath your beds and whimper in girlish terror.<

Ooh, I'm whimpering already. And I really should hoover up under the bed.

Thanks for your amusing post.


15 posted on 08/16/2005 1:29:30 AM PDT by ukman
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

P.S.

It's should read "roger".


16 posted on 08/16/2005 1:34:27 AM PDT by ukman
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To: ukman

Yawn.

Why on earth would I care what you call me?

You, and your ilk, are nothing.

FTW


17 posted on 08/16/2005 1:35:04 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (FTW)
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To: ukman

PS: "Rodger" works jes fine chica.


18 posted on 08/16/2005 1:37:29 AM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (FTW)
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To: porkchops 4 mahound

Hi Porky,

Does FTW mean "Fuck the World"? How very enlightened of you.

I know "rodger" works, it's just wrong. But whatever.

Look, I'd LOVE to banter with you, but I haven't really got the time. So run along now, I'm busy.

And by the way, it was the French who kicked us out of America, not the likes of you.


19 posted on 08/16/2005 1:53:44 AM PDT by ukman
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