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Shrinking Detroit has 12,000 abandoned homes
AFP ^ | 08/14/05 | AFP

Posted on 08/15/2005 9:59:30 AM PDT by Pikamax

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To: The Raven

It’s funny how the Democrats have run that cesspool for years. It continues to decline under their rule.

Yet the stupid citizens haven’t thought that maybe some new leadership is in order.

If Detroit could get a Mayor Giuliani...I bet you’d be surprised what could happen...and keep in mind, for President, I’m no Rudy fan. But he did clean up NYC, and bet a guy like him could do wonders for Detroit too.

Sure as hell couldn’t make it any worse, anyway.


151 posted on 07/03/2007 11:27:59 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

I actually saw a home in Detroit for sale for a hundred bucks.

Sh*t, I’d buy 10 of them and figure if I lost money, so what...but if Detroit ever did turn around, whooooa, Nelly!


152 posted on 07/03/2007 11:29:43 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Pikamax
What made Detroit's experience so stark was the lack of regional planning and the ease with which developments were able to incorporate into new cities in order to avoid sharing their tax revenue with the city, said Margaret Dewar, a professor of urban and regional planning at the University of Michigan.

Another ivory tower denizen weighs in. Central planning, so beloved by collectivists, is the answer! Did Margaret Dewar think about informing the Detroit municipal government of her bright ideas?

153 posted on 07/03/2007 11:29:57 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Pikamax

Well, at least their voting rate tops 100+% every four years.


154 posted on 07/03/2007 11:33:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Pikamax
There are more than 12,000 abandoned homes in the Detroit area,

Sometime in the past year I have read a figure of 40,000 abandoned buildings in Detroit.

155 posted on 07/03/2007 11:34:27 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Pikamax

The solution to dorothy’s problem is really pretty simple. Have her husband set out rat traps and make her kids wear gas masks to ward off the lead fumes.


156 posted on 07/03/2007 11:34:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: Youngman442002

Here’s an idea:

-Send all welfare recipients to Mexico.

Problem solved. Two, actually.


157 posted on 07/03/2007 11:34:52 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: deadeyedawg

You forgot New Orleans...


158 posted on 07/03/2007 11:35:45 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: KYGrandma

People talk of a revolution in America where we re-claim our Second Amendment rights.

Instead of that, why not do it to Detroit? Overthrow the city government, kick out the welfare queens to a faraway place (like Mexico) and start over?


159 posted on 07/03/2007 11:37:04 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: pepsionice

Youngstown, OH is a mini-Detroit in that aspect.


160 posted on 07/03/2007 11:37:53 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Black Tooth
The west coast cities, LA, Seattle and SF are paradise compared to Detroit, Chicago, DC. I've recently been to all of them, and there is just no comparison. The west coast cities are like shinning cities on the hill compared to the likes of Detroit.

Don't forget - "Detroit" means 2 things: the city of Detroit which is down to about 900,000 people, and Metropolitan Detroit, which has about 6 million people.

Most people in Detroit don't live in Detroit.

161 posted on 07/03/2007 11:39:10 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Sha in the D
I realize that this is an old blog. Most of the conversation seems to be about the inner city. What about downtown Detroit. What do you think caused its demise, my theory has been that the "White flight" and J.L Hudson's what do you all think.

Downtown Detroit has made an amazing turn around - Lofts are opening up in old commercial buildings and there is construction and a population boom going on in downtown. The casinos are expanding, the old Book Cadillac is being refurbished into condos and the new Riverwalk is attracting hundreds of thousands.

The rest of the city is another story.

162 posted on 07/03/2007 11:44:36 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: dfwgator
Must be “Resurrect Old Thread” day.

Yep.

But it doesn't hurt to remind folks of the joys of Democratic-
controlled urban areas.
And the bitter fruits of ceding personal responsibility to
corrupt politicians.

Especially on the eve of July 4th.

When I hear of Detroit, I remember what one sane African-American
journalist said:
"Early in my career, I did my tour of duty in Detroit."
163 posted on 07/03/2007 11:45:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

Detroit - Where the Weak are Killed and Eaten.

But still, Go Tigers!


164 posted on 07/03/2007 11:47:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: Blue Jays
it would be pretty cool to pony-up the money and subsequently hit a homerun.

Possible, but first it would be necessary to permanently get rid of the Detroit municipality and form a local government that won't kill the golden gosling like Detroit killed the golden goose. Detroit would simply wait for you to pony up, and then tax and regulate you to death like they did to the previous victims owners.

165 posted on 07/03/2007 11:58:24 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story, the envy of Venezuela)
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To: RockinRight

“I actually saw a home in Detroit for sale for a hundred bucks.”

And how many times was that home traded on “Minority” loans before it collapsed?


166 posted on 07/03/2007 12:07:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE Democrat! You don't those stinkin' Freedoms anyway!)
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To: tcrlaf

Here ya go - great investment opportunity:
http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=2959&ml=3&mxp=5&typ=1&sid=c17881c7d11d4f98988541e8b1fe5f29&lid=1083765232&lsn=4&srcnt=301#Detail


167 posted on 07/03/2007 12:12:53 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Pikamax
Liberal racists like to blame white flight for Detroit's decline. The truth is Detroit is mismanaged and stifled by bureaucracy, high taxes, and crime. Certainly not an invitation for would be new residents and people in the city want to get out if they can. And the city is still shedding people every year.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

168 posted on 07/03/2007 12:13:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: deadeyedawg
Liberals have the "dodo touch". Everything the touch turns to poop. Detroit, Chicago, DC, LA, SF, Seattle...

...Cleveland...

169 posted on 07/03/2007 12:13:55 PM PDT by martin gibson ("I care not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death")
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To: goldstategop

It’s unorthodox, immoral, and probably unconstitutional...but ya know what would turn Detroit around?

Enact a shoot-to-kill policy on ALL crimes. For one year, but don’t tell them that.


170 posted on 07/03/2007 12:20:45 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Detroit could revive to a smaller and more vibrant city with the right policies and by cleaning up crime. Since the city's leaders remain trapped in the past, the decline will continue.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

171 posted on 07/03/2007 12:22:47 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pikamax

On one hand its whites as absolute devils and the hate crimes fiasco not reaching its logical conclusion of open season on white people fast enough, and on the other hand white people not wanting to be around us pleasant peaceful people. Grow up people


172 posted on 07/03/2007 12:27:05 PM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: goldstategop

1. Giuliani-style crime control in city, but with one major change: allow business owners to carry guns at all times and remove all restrictions on gun ownership for non-criminals. Pass legislation stating that ANY gun death resulting from said “victim” trying to steal from or kill another person is NOT a crime.

2. Expel all citizens who have recieved welfare for more than 24 of the last 36 months.

3. Abandoned buildings must be torn down or fully remodeled within 18 months.

4. Reduce city income tax by 40%. Create business-friendly tax structure.

5. Call a spade a spade.


173 posted on 07/03/2007 12:29:22 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"Detroit was recently named the most liberal city in the country based on voting patterns. I guess voting Democrat has really paid off."

Worked like a charm for New Orleans -- Liberal Plantation Capitol of the USA -- the City of Envy. /sarc

174 posted on 07/03/2007 12:32:25 PM PDT by avacado
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To: RockinRight
6.

175 posted on 07/03/2007 12:34:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: pepsionice

What is bizarre, is it used to be one of the finer cities in the country, apparently. The houses are beautiful. My own hometown suffered a similar if much smaller condition. What started it were the riots in the 1960s, believe it or not, and we have never completely recovered. The downtown is virtually a ghost town, and huge pre-depression era houses sit empty, crumbling and decaying. It’s like visiting another abandoned planet, and you’re struck wondering “who were these people to make such wonderful edifice, and who were we to let it all slip away.”


176 posted on 07/03/2007 12:36:35 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: RockinRight

“Here ya go - great investment”

What the Democratic Party did for Detroit, it can do for YOU!!


177 posted on 07/03/2007 12:44:47 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE Democrat! You don't those stinkin' Freedoms anyway!)
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To: Pikamax
the farm idea is pretty dumb Im sure much of the land in Detroit has stuff in it I dont want to end up in food but there are some other good ideas floating around..

1) Give the land an abandoned house is on to the homeowner next door if they are willing to tear down the other house. This will reduce the number of blighted homes and increase the value of the homes which are remaining.

2) Make Detroit a city of parks, if 1/4th of your land is unoccupied see if you cant get some key owners to shuffle around and build open space, low maintenance parks.

3) just give away the land, and petition the state for grants and low interest loans for people willing to dvelop it..

None of this will work if your city is not being governed well and they need a mayor like Rudy to come along and make sure no more windows get broken..

178 posted on 07/03/2007 12:53:49 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Pikamax
It's not "white flight" - for the past 10 years it has been black flight to the suburbs which are becoming increasingly integrated.

Minorities with the cash to get out, have.

The main reasons for the flight are poor schools and very high property taxes. Just like any other business, minorities want the best government services for their (tax) dollar.

179 posted on 07/03/2007 12:54:43 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: N3WBI3

Re #1 - are most abandoned homes still owned by someone, or have they been seized by the city? If they’re bankowned ain’t a-gonna be much happening there.

However, I saw a slew of bank-owned homes for under $10k in Detroit. Perhaps offering the homeowner next door that if they buy the bank-owned sh*thole next to them they’ll get a break on their taxes a couple years.


180 posted on 07/03/2007 1:05:09 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: N3WBI3

There are entire blocks in Youngstown, Ohio’s south side where there is one home surrounded by 20 vacant lots where old abandoned homes once were.


181 posted on 07/03/2007 1:06:52 PM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Riverman94610
Two things killed Detroit.

One thing killed Detroit - Coleman Young!

The effect of the riots could have been mitigated with a mayor who was not a communist race baiter. As for the auto industry, it has affected all of Michigan, but the suburbs are doing great with good schools, all services and very good housing.

Today, there are only 3 reasons to even go to Detroit. They are the Detroit Tigers, Red Wings and Lions and the Lions aren't much of a reason.

182 posted on 07/03/2007 1:08:33 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts

I disagree...it ain’t the schools, it ain’t the taxes.

It is the barriers to entry, in any business.

In other words, excessive regulation. Minimum living wage, single business tax, etc.


183 posted on 07/03/2007 1:10:14 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: goldstategop

No, not neccessarily... you see cities don’t shrink.. their populations do.

The demand for services do not shrink proportionally with people drain.

Look at an arial photo of neighborhoods in detroit. There are blocks now, with only 3 houses left, on all 4 streets of the block... at one point that block would have 5 or 10 houses per side. Now all are gone but 3... but those same 4 streets need maintained, cleaned, plowed, etc etc etc... just as if that block still had 20-40 houses.

The problem with a declining city is, while the population declines, the geographical area doesn’t. Yes, less garbage needs picked up, but the same number of miles need to be driven to do so... etc etc etc.. You lose the economies of scale when you have a population decline....

I am not defending the liberal policies of Detroit and Michigan in general...they have helped contribute to the state and cities decline... however changing those alone will not bring back Detroit.

JOBS, and only JOBS will make Detroit a destination, and there is NO incentive to make the Detroit or even Michigan a destination for them.

Right to work status, lower taxes and better overall business climate will help, but thanks to “free trade” and the exportation of manufacturing that continues unabated, Detroit will never EVER be able to be remotely what it was.

Policy changes can help the state and the city, but I am not sure if the city will EVER be able to be self sufficient again without literally kicking out geographical sections of itself, and physically shrinking the city limits.


184 posted on 07/03/2007 1:11:00 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: snoringbear
That ain’t the half of it. Lemme tell you that I’ve worked to help restore neighborhoods in New Orleans this past summer, and I currently work at a Church inside Detroit. There is no difference between the city hit by a that hurricane, and the one that has been ravaged by the inhumanity of the last 30 years of racist politics.
185 posted on 07/03/2007 1:25:13 PM PDT by WritableSpace
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To: Pikamax

pueblo, colorado is the same.

democrap, union.


186 posted on 07/03/2007 1:26:35 PM PDT by ken21
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To: paul51

Detroit has no way to offer homes to perspective buyers. We here in NYC would love to own a home. Greed has prevented this.
Enter the gov with its stick regulations on home buying.

History: When the post civil war Europeans first started buying land in America they did not care about location or utilities. They would build the home by hand. First living in a tent, Shanty, Once the basement was complete they’d move in.
Next: Hand labor with lots of help from neighbors to erect the walls. (1st fl)
Second, Editions to second floor, Dormers etc.
The whole process was not time related. The new land owners proceeded as money allowed.
After finishing the home they had something to live in. Later came the “grid” (electric, water, sewer, etc).
All this occurred prior to Ford Motors
Michigan was great for hunting/fishing.

Reason for people leaving Detroit: See every one’s examples.
What is needed is reasons to bring people back.
State and city laws forbid people to live in the abandoned houses until proper renovations are made.
Once the houses have been stripped of metal and electric they are in need of everything. $25,000 is not a bad estimate to make a abandoned house livable.
Idea! Allow individuals to live in the homes while fixing them up.
Keep out the investor/speculators, they do more harm than good.
Institute laws that make the buyer obligated to live in the home.
Detroit needs to open it’s eyes. It’s no longer a black/white thing that people have been implying.

Fact: Everyone wants a safe environment for kids.
Fact: Urban decay is in every great northern city.
Fact: The poor seem to have no access to foreclosures
Fact: Religious organizations have no funds to help.
Fact: Crime is a direct result of “having nothing to eat”
Fact: Whites will live anywhere they feel safe.
Fact: Failed cities can no longer depend on the Government for help.
Fact: So tied up are the courts that trying to get info on an abandoned house is impossible.
Fact: Loss of jobs is the “American Way Of Life” Without going into detail the Gov actually makes money off your loss.

Retro: Allow people to buy the homes and fix them up as they live in them. Place ad’s in high rent area’s like NYC. Lines of people will be waiting to move to Detroit.

Me: New Yorker sick and tired of high rents. Would love a fixer-upper in Detroit. I’ve contacted the local Gov and have hit one brick wall after another.

The future: It may take time but if Detroit reinvents itself properly it can re-attain greatness.
I have some answers but but no one to talk to.


187 posted on 06/01/2008 9:21:14 AM PDT by edgey
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To: Pikamax
so are taxes.

Detroit's property tax rates are over twice the rates of Grosse Pointe and four times the rate of my area.

As far as the foundations and buildings comment at the end of this article, that's the saddest part of this article. Most of those old buildings are a lot better than those built today. Unfortunately, thanks to blight, disrepair, and everything else, it's gone down the crapper.

188 posted on 06/01/2008 12:47:24 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: Sha in the D
Downtown, as well as bricktown and Greektown isn't bad. I feel perfectly safe there, and have been there at night. There's still some good neighborhoods there, but they are high money areas. Rosedale Park, Indian Village, Palmer Park, and those areas always have been rich areas.

The big problems are jobs, schools, corruption in government, property taxes, and crime. The jobs is a regional problem here too. As far as schools go, Cass Tech and Renasannce should be the norm, not the exception. The corruption there between Wayne County and Detroit City governments makes me blush, and I've seen a lot. The taxes and regulations are so bad that it is cheaper for me to live in Grosse Pointe than the city of Detroit. As far as crime, it isn't as bad as it was, but still bad. My cousin was almost carjacked while working in Brightmoor (he floored his car). That area's been bad for 50 years, but my aunt and uncle's house were broken into in the Parkland area, and that's supposedly a good part of the city.

I hope your right, but I can't see Detroit making a comeback if they keep electing the same bums and their familes to office. I do have some hope for Ken Cockrel however. From what I can see out here, he seems to have a good head on his shoulder.

189 posted on 06/01/2008 1:11:16 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: edgey
Fact: Whites will live anywhere they feel safe.

Correction - Middle Class (regardless of race) will live anywhere they feel safe.

Me: New Yorker sick and tired of high rents. Would love a fixer-upper in Detroit.

If you enjoyed "Escape from New York" or "The Road Warrior" you'll LOVE Detroit! There are nice areas but you pay dearly in those areas.

190 posted on 06/01/2008 1:19:26 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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