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Army rations rehydrated by urine
newscientist.com ^ | July 2004 | Duncan Graham-Rowe

Posted on 08/15/2005 2:05:08 PM PDT by steel_resolve

Would you eat food cooked in your own urine? Food scientists working for the US military have developed a dried food ration that troops can hydrate by adding the filthiest of muddy swamp water or even peeing on it.

The ration comes in a pouch containing a filter that removes 99.9 per cent of bacteria and most toxic chemicals from the water used to rehydrate it, according to the Combat Feeding Directorate, part of the US Army Soldier Systems Center in Natick, Massachusetts. This is the same organisation that created the "indestructible sandwich" that will stay fresh for three years (New Scientist print edition, 10 April 2002).

The aim is to reduce the amount of water soldiers need to carry. One day's food supply of three meals, weighs 3.5 kilograms but that can be reduced to about 0.4 kilograms with the dehydrated pouches, says spokeswoman Diane Wood.

The pouch - containing chicken and rice initially - relies on osmosis to filter the water or urine. When two solutions of different concentrations are separated by a semipermeable membrane, with gaps that allow only water molecules to pass through, the water is drawn to the more concentrated side.

Hungry soldier

The membranes are made of thin sheets of a cellulose-based plastic, with gaps between the fibres that are just 0.5 nanometres across, too small for bacteria to pass through.

A hungry soldier pours dirty water into one end of a foil sachet containing two inner pouches separated by the membrane. The water seeps through the membrane into the dehydrated food on the other side. As it dissolves large molecules in the food, it creates a very high concentration solution. The osmotic pressure created then draws more water through the membrane.

Hydration Technology of Albany, Oregon, which makes the membrane, says soldiers should only use urine in an absolute emergency because the membrane is too coarse to filter out urea.

The body will not find this toxic over the short term, says Ed Beaudry, an engineer with HTI, but rehydrating food this way in the long term would cause kidney damage.


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: army; barf; cary; ewww; pee; rations
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To: numberonepal
Luckily urine contains none of this.

No bacteria, but some chemicals do get excreted in the urine.

61 posted on 08/15/2005 2:51:07 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Lx

I never served, I use them when I hike and camp.

The best thing about them is you can stick them in your shorts or underarms while hiking and have a hot meal when you arrive at your destination. You can also carry a weeks worth of food in a small volume.

I recommend the armpit, as you can get some pretty sore spots if you put them in your shorts; And because your wife will never believe you when you try to explain where those marks came from when you get home. I learned that one the hard way.

I wonder if peeing in the dehydrated fruit is a good idea...? No, I think I'll just crunch them down.


62 posted on 08/15/2005 2:54:15 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Sarajevo
Trying to find a way to lessen the water load of a soldier is a big mistake. The body requires a certain amount of water per day to maintain homeostasis, and lessening that amount will result in dehydration.

But this doesn't lesson the amount of water the soldier takes in, or eliminates, so it can't cause dehydration. It just uses "recycling" to lower the load of water he has to carry, and/or has to be ferried to him. Or put another way, it helps to keep him from getting dehydrated with a fixed or unavoidably reduced ration of water.

63 posted on 08/15/2005 2:56:30 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: steel_resolve

"The ration comes in a pouch containing a filter that removes 99.9 per cent of bacteria and most toxic chemicals from the water used to rehydrate it,.."

Its not exactly urine once it goes through the filter.

And don`t they use this same technology in the space station, "whizzing" around the earth up there ?


64 posted on 08/15/2005 3:05:33 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: steel_resolve

One of my favorite "war-stories" involved a can of freeze-dried shrimp and a couple cans of beer.Needless to say the shrimp were flavorfully rehydrated and zestfully consumed.


65 posted on 08/15/2005 3:10:10 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Do they have dehydrated Ham and Limas now?
I always wondered where they got those GIANT lima beans
there would be a little chunk of ham and 6 HUGE limas.
Ick.
Pork steak, ham steak, I could take, ham and eggs no.
the cinnimon roll/cake thing wasn't bad, and the crackers
and peanut butter/jelly was always a stand by, thank god
for tobasco sauce too.

I smoked at the time so the Luckies and Pall Malls from
wwII came in handy.

This was in Nam so they were getting a little long in the
tooth.


66 posted on 08/15/2005 3:16:21 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SunnySide

I see you must have missed the "Meat without Animals" threads this afternoon.


67 posted on 08/15/2005 3:21:21 PM PDT by green pastures
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To: SZonian

I have fond memories of the dehydrated pork patty.


68 posted on 08/15/2005 3:26:04 PM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: steel_resolve

I think I'm gonna be sick.


69 posted on 08/15/2005 3:31:08 PM PDT by pobodys nerfect
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To: steel_resolve

I don't see where this is going to help recruiting.


70 posted on 08/15/2005 3:32:58 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (Gives "sh!t on a shingle" a new meaning. Maybe.)
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To: Enterprise
I thought we already had canned peas.

Confucius say: Soldier who cooks carrots and peas in same pot very unsanitary!

71 posted on 08/15/2005 3:38:28 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Sax

I wouldn't want to have your stomach when that stuff swelled up...


72 posted on 08/15/2005 3:42:44 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: steel_resolve

Oh, you FILTER it.

I was wondering why it tasted "funny."

Now they tell me.


73 posted on 08/15/2005 3:44:44 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: steel_resolve
Meal Ready to Eat... Three lies for the price of one.

They're actually pretty good and they sure beat the hell out of the old C-RATS.

74 posted on 08/15/2005 3:45:53 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: El Gato

An average man loses over two quarts of water per day in perspiration and urination; the more you perspire the less you urinate and eventually you will dehydrate.


75 posted on 08/15/2005 3:49:07 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
This just might make the bottled water manufacturers a tad bit nervous.


76 posted on 08/15/2005 3:52:10 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: steel_resolve
The pouch - containing chicken and rice initially - relies on osmosis

I often used that technique to study in college...

77 posted on 08/15/2005 3:53:03 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: steel_resolve

Well back (WayBack) in the "C-Ration" days I don't think pissing into a can of Beef-Peas-&-Gravy would have helped the taste. But it wouldn't have hurt it either.

Used to fight over the Cornbeef Hash and the Fruit Cocktail.


78 posted on 08/15/2005 3:59:28 PM PDT by Pompah
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To: Sax

"Sarge, I'm kinda dried out. Would you mind pissing on my sandwich"?


79 posted on 08/15/2005 4:03:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: steel_resolve

I KNEW there was a reason I didn't like MRE's as well as I did C-rats!


80 posted on 08/15/2005 4:04:39 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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