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The Last Laff? The era of big tax cuts may be over.
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Posted on 08/16/2005 6:07:01 AM PDT by Uncledave

The Last Laff? The era of big tax cuts may be over.

BY BRENDAN MINITER Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

It was bound to happen eventually, but Republicans may now be concluding that there is no longer any political benefit to pushing for deep tax cuts. This may come as a shock to those long convinced that tax cuts are not only good politics but also good economic policy because they spur growth. But the national tax-reform movement--kicked off by California's Proposition 13 in 1978, which froze property taxes, and propelled forward by Ronald Reagan winning the White House in 1980 with promises to roll back big government by rolling back taxes--now appears to be running out of steam. The reason is that the Laffer Curve applies to politics too. There's a point at which further tax cuts won't spur any more economic growth, and there's also a point after which they won't win any more elections.

No one knows where either point really is, of course, and some of us are for continually cutting taxes so we can find out for sure...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: taxcuts
Interesting analysis. Good reminder we must continue to press for more tax reform.
1 posted on 08/16/2005 6:07:01 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Uncledave
The reason is that the Laffer Curve applies to politics too. There's a point at which further tax cuts won't spur any more economic growth, and there's also a point after which they won't win any more elections.

More importantly, politicians of both parties, including the president, have decided that expanding government spending is good politics.

2 posted on 08/16/2005 6:16:21 AM PDT by va4me
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To: Uncledave
Interesting analysis. Good reminder we must continue to press for more tax reform.
Tax reform alone is not enough, IMO. If you cut taxes and don't cut spending you still have a big government but now you have a big government going rapidly into debt

Any further tax cuts need to come in the context of offsetting spending cuts. And honestly we can't afford to increase the deficit any more.

On the other hand, those blame President Bush for the deficit often overlook the effects of 9/11 and two wars - situations for which deficit spending was appropriate but we don't need to do anything to increase the deficit further.

4 posted on 08/16/2005 6:18:39 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Uncledave
He's right of course. Once the Fair Tax gets passed, AFTER we badger and FORCE the greedy politicians to pass it, we won't have to worry about tax cuts anymore. The IRS and the money-grubbing politicos won't have their hands in our pockets!


5 posted on 08/16/2005 6:19:00 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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To: Uncledave
I, for one, am convinced that the Republicans are going to hold the line on spending from today forward, starting...now!

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... Lather, rinse, and repeat ad infinitum...

6 posted on 08/16/2005 6:19:25 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Uncledave
What tax cuts? Federal income tax goes down, State, Local and school taxes soared. It was a total wash.

It was the low interest rates that helped me. I refinanced the mortgage, and bought a truck @ 0% (nothing like free money), basically I've save a small fortune. Great timing played a big part also.

7 posted on 08/16/2005 6:26:20 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Uncledave
No one knows where either point really is, of course, and some of us are for continually cutting taxes so we can find out for sure...


Ok then, let us try the OTHER side of Regan's equation. Let's have big SPENDING cuts.
8 posted on 08/16/2005 6:28:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Brick by brick, stone by stone, the Revolution grows)
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To: Baynative

wonder if there has ever been an analysis of what percentage of tax money collected is just pissed away on useless pork, nonproductive government programs and unnecessary union expansion

Problem is it is all good spending to someone. For example, we have a lot of anti-Govt "conservatives" who would literally explode if you suggested spending less on Immigration and Naturalization. Right now they are busy dreaming up ways to spend hundreds of billions MORE "Sealing the borders".


9 posted on 08/16/2005 6:30:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Brick by brick, stone by stone, the Revolution grows)
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To: Uncledave

A very interesting revelation came out of the hearing on the Fair Tax or National Sales Tax.

During this hearing there was a discussion of the level of national sales tax to replace federal tax including the income tax and to support continued government operations in their current and projected form.

A percentage of 23% was proposed by proponents of the Fair Tax.

Senator Breaux announced that his analysts had rejected the 23% estimate. They claimed that a 58% National Sales Tax would be needed to replace all other Federal taxes.

58 percent.

That's a tax rate higher than any Western socialist democracy including France or Sweden. But in France they get 35 hour work weeks, 30 days vacation each year and free medical.

Conclusion: In my America, there's a whole lot of bullsh*t going on.


10 posted on 08/16/2005 6:35:04 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: va4me
More importantly, politicians of both parties, including the president, have decided that expanding government spending is good politics.

Seems to me the Republicans are steering a course that is the worst of both worlds. They still take shots from the Left about being heartless and cruel to "our most vulnerable citizens", but they are spending the big money, anyway. This profligate spending isn't buying one bit of goodwill from the Left's constituents (and damn little from "moderates") but it is enraging and alienating a large part of the Republican base.

Republicans need to pick a side and stick with it. If they are determined to be a governing majority party and believe that the only way they can regularly steal 20% of the Democrat voters is through continuously high Federal spending, then just say so. Conservatives will leave the party in good conscience, just as hard left liberals have left the Democrats behind for the Green Party. Republicans can be the squashy middle ground majority party that so many in the leadership seem to feel most comfortable with.

11 posted on 08/16/2005 6:38:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Feelings are not a tool of cognition, therefore they are not a criterion of morality." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: deadeyedawg
Once the Fair Tax gets passed

Dream on.

12 posted on 08/16/2005 6:39:55 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: gondramB

"Tax reform alone is not enough, IMO. If you cut taxes and don't cut spending you still have a big government but now you have a big government going rapidly into debt"

Bingo.


13 posted on 08/16/2005 6:42:51 AM PDT by quantfive
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To: Hostage
58% National Sales Tax

Plus State and Local sales tax? Thats not a dream, thats a nightmare.

14 posted on 08/16/2005 6:44:06 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: quantfive

>blockquote>"Tax reform alone is not enough, IMO. If you cut taxes and don't cut spending you still have a big government but now you have a big government going rapidly into debt"

Bingo.</blockquote>

It's just staggering to me that only one President since WW2 has submitted a balanced budget and he did it largely by raising taxes.


15 posted on 08/16/2005 1:07:19 PM PDT by gondramB
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