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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Dimensio
I pinged you on Dimensio’s message because I didn’t want to say so much twice (and then wound up saying it twice anyway LOL!)

Actually, you missed my point entirely. I was talking about the people who use the article to promote the false claim that the scientists had linked abiogenesis with evolution. I would not have used the term shyster though; I think the term I used was liar.

No, I took your point. But, I was talking about what was actually in the article, whether you like it or not; whether you agree or not (I don’t - you don’t, I would guess).

It was either an ignorant claim, or a calculated claim. What it also was positively was an unfounded claim.

Unfounded and calculated, in my opinion. Like the article or not, there it is, like an elephant in the room. You can grumble about liars, fools and ignorami all you wish, but the fact is sometimes people use you for their own ends and then are perfectly content to leave you holding the bag. As I mentioned in my message to Dimensio, this is one of those times, IMO.

The Boston Globe article, what I could read of it online without paying, said the same things as the AP article.

The Globe article is much more extensive and elaborates considerably more than does the AP article. But then, AP gets bored easily. Check your private box after a bit. It looks like maybe we can call it the Allston Project.

They are trying to find a natural process that could have led to life. The fact they are not going to use supernatural causes as *evidence* only means they are doing what EVERY other field of science does.

But then professor Liu mentions ‘Devine Intervention.’ Why would he do that? According to you, and even me, supernatural causes have no relevance; zip, zero, nada. Not worthy of the least mention. And still, he mentions it. The million/yr Harvard is kicking in won’t be sufficient to fund this project. My guess is that there will be fund raising activities. What puts a zip in fund raising? CONTROVERSY!

Just a thought.

769 posted on 08/19/2005 8:52:53 PM PDT by YHAOS (Western morons are more dangerous than Islamic lunatics)
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To: YHAOS
"But, I was talking about what was actually in the article, whether you like it or not; whether you agree or not"

Except... no where do the Harvard scientists say what they are doing has anything to do with evolution. That's all added by the journalist to fill out the story and make it more salable.

" The Globe article is much more extensive and elaborates considerably more than does the AP article"

Except... the added material doesn't have any of the scientists say that their study will support evolution either. It talks in more detail about origin of life studies, not about evolution.

" But then professor Liu mentions ‘Devine Intervention.’ Why would he do that?"

Because it was true? Because the reporter asked him about ID? Or because the previous hypotheses about life's origins invoked divine intervention and their theory was going to be scientific and only use natural, material causes? I wasn't there and don't have the transcripts of the interview. Neither were you.

"My guess is that there will be fund raising activities. What puts a zip in fund raising? CONTROVERSY!"

What also can put a freeze on funding....?

Controversy!
770 posted on 08/19/2005 9:24:15 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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