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"Grizzly Man" Movie Spurs New Looks at a Grisly Death
National Geographis ^ | August 12, 2005 | James Owen

Posted on 08/16/2005 12:04:38 PM PDT by ZULU

Opening today, the documentary Grizzly Man revisits the life and violent death of Timothy Treadwell, a controversial wildlife activist who spent 13 summers living among bears in the Alaskan wilderness.

Treadwell was discovered dead and partially eaten by one of his beloved grizzlies at his campsite in Katmai National Park in the fall of 2003. His girlfriend, Amie Huguenard, was also killed.

Using Treadwell's own dramatic video footage, the film tells the story of a controversial figure who put a history of drug and alcohol abuse behind him to devote his life to grizzlies. It was an obsession that cost Treadwell his life.

In the Werner Herzog-directed documentary, Treadwell is shown singing and reading poetry to grizzlies, calling them names like Mr. Chocolate, and even petting one on the nose.

Experts say Treadwell was an example of how not to behave around these animals.

Chuck Bartlebaugh, executive director of the Center for Wildlife Information, based in Missoula, Montana, describes Treadwell, a self-styled "kind warrior," as "irresponsible." Though he had a "great heart" and a "loving personality," Bartlebaugh said, Treadwell never should have done what he did.

Bartlebaugh, who advised Treadwell on his conduct around wild bears, said, "Tim agreed with us and the superintendent of Katmai National Park to no longer approach, stress, or harass the bears. But he misled [us]."

Bartlebaugh says Treadwell's decision to ignore this advice was influenced by his aim to become known as a "bear whisperer."

Treadwell clearly believed he had a special bond with the animals. In a letter to one of his sponsors in 2003 he wrote: "My transformation complete—a fully accepted wild animal—brother to these bears."

Killer Bear

Weeks later he was killed, and by one of the bears he so adored. "The Park Service knew and had monitored the bear, and Tim knew it too," Bartlebaugh said.

Treadwell claimed to have identified 21 vocalizations and body languages in grizzlies. If that's the case, says Bartlebaugh, the one he didn't recognize was the most important: "It was the one that says, Leave me alone."

Katmai park rangers shot the thousand-pound (450-kilogram) male responsible for Treadwell and Huguenard's deaths after their bodies were found. A second, younger bear was also killed when it became aggressive.

Bear biologist Lance Craighead says the deaths of Treadwell and his girlfriend created a lot of bad publicity for bears. But, he says, the New York-born Treadwell also inspired people with his message that grizzly bears should be protected and preserved.

"Treadwell did more good than harm," said Craighead, director of the Craighead Environmental Research Institute in Bozeman, Montana. "He sure reached a lot of schoolchildren—he spent most of his winters talking to schoolkids about bears."

Treadwell "pushed the envelope" when it came to taking risks, Craighead said, which may have encouraged others to do the same.

"I think he was trying to make the bears habituated to him so that they knew him personally," the biologist added. "People have done that with a lot of animals, such as gorillas and chimpanzees. It works, up to a point. But there's always likely to be a 'bad bear' that you might just run into."

Treadwell "must have had thousands of bear encounters. Finally he had one which went wrong," he said.

Craighead says he has managed to avoid hairy moments of his own during fieldwork in grizzly country.

"I don't get close enough to touch them, for one thing," he said. "I also carry bear spray [generally a pepper-based repellent] with me. I think it would have been a good thing if [Treadwell] had had it in his tent, even if he didn't want to carry it around."

Bear Maulings

Treadwell isn't alone in getting too close to grizzlies.

The Center for Wildlife Information reports increased incidences of grizzly bear maulings due to human misadventure. U.S and Canadian national parks such as Yellowstone, Glacier, Jasper, and Banff have been forced to hire extra rangers to keep bear-friendly visitors back.

In Yellowstone National Park visitors are asked to stay at least a hundred yards (90 meters) from bears.

Parkgoers are warned that if they get within a bear's "individual distance," the bear might charge. And the animals are powerful enough to kill with a single blow.

"Two years ago we counted 200 people standing within five feet [one and a half meters] of grizzly bears in Yellowstone," Bartlebaugh, of the Center for Wildlife Information, said. "Those bears are now dead."

Some had to be culled because they became too aggressive after having been habituated to humans, some of whom fed the bears, he said. Others were hit by cars or shot by hunters who found themselves threatened.

"If people had not habituated those bears, they would still be around, helping the recovery of the population," Bartlebaugh added.

"We as humans have to be diligent about being around these beautiful animals. You don't move away because the bear is going to kill you. You move away because you want the bear to be wild."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bear; bears; documentary; grizzlyman; treadwell; treehuggers
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"..Yellowstone, Glacier, Jasper, and Banff have been forced to hire extra rangers to keep bear-friendly visitors back. "

Too bad. They're interfering with natural selection and the awarding of more Darwin Awards. Grizzly bears CAN improve the gene pool by eliminating stupid genes and liberal genes.

Me, I wouldn't get closer than 100 yeards to a grizz. That's when my rifle is dead on.

1 posted on 08/16/2005 12:04:39 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU

This former idiot...now a piece of bear $hi+ somewhere...deserved what he got. As Bugs Bunny would say, whatta maroon!!!


2 posted on 08/16/2005 12:06:18 PM PDT by StrangerInParadise (This tagline has been reported stolen. If you see it, call BR-549..........)
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To: ZULU

A tiger is a tiger.

A bear is a bear.

A liberal is an idiot.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 12:06:43 PM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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To: StrangerInParadise

The guy was a freakin' idiot. People like that get the idea in their heads that they can really commune with wild animals. He died for that mistake.

That doesn't mean that he deserved it.


4 posted on 08/16/2005 12:08:15 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: StrangerInParadise

I feel about the same about him as I do when I read about a guy who died when their parachute didn't open and he splashed himself in a cornfield. Why anyone would have sympathy for this moron is beyond me.


5 posted on 08/16/2005 12:08:59 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: ZULU
Doh!


6 posted on 08/16/2005 12:08:59 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: ZULU
Darwin Award
Click the Pic

7 posted on 08/16/2005 12:10:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ZULU

Well, I guess ending up as some bear's dinner is better than a bad trip? Or is it?


8 posted on 08/16/2005 12:10:48 PM PDT by RexBeach (Pardon me, but is that a malaise sandwich in your pocket or are you just glad to be in a funk?)
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To: MplsSteve

Yes he did. If you are walking down the street and get mugged, you probably did not deserve it. If you go into the heart of crime alley in any big city and attempt to interact with the animals there, you deserve what you get.


9 posted on 08/16/2005 12:11:24 PM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: ZULU

this useful idiot is in the same ballpark as the stupid girl laying down in front of the bulldozer.

Good for a chuckle anyway! Definitely not worth a second thought.


10 posted on 08/16/2005 12:11:37 PM PDT by hombre_sincero
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To: ZULU

Wanted to be a bear whisperer and ended up a bear fart.


11 posted on 08/16/2005 12:12:14 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Only two requisites to be a judge. Gray hair to look wise and hemorrhoids to look concerned.)
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To: ZULU
What irks the hell out of me is that they killed the bear.

This moron goes into their habitat and gets eaten, so they kill the bear. WTF? If the guy had never been there the bear would have been fine. The bear is doing what thousands of years of evolution has taught him to do. Stay alive.

I hear the salmon runs were very slow this year. This bear found an alternative food source and used it. It almost seems like people don't realize these are wild animals not the singing Baloo's we see in Disney movies that have feelings and tell jokes.

12 posted on 08/16/2005 12:12:23 PM PDT by Bigoleelephant
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To: ZULU

I went to see Ron "Tater Salad" White last weekend.

One of his new jokes was: Wouldn't it be funny if this guy's father had told him all his life that "you'll never be sh**".

Brought down the house.


13 posted on 08/16/2005 12:12:34 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!!!)
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To: ZULU
I tell you Boo Boo, he just kept coming around, and coming around. You know buggin' me. We'll I'd just had it. Now let's go get some pin-a-nic baskets! Image hosted by TinyPic.com
14 posted on 08/16/2005 12:13:19 PM PDT by Sax
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To: darkwing104

Didn't he live in Malibu?


15 posted on 08/16/2005 12:13:42 PM PDT by bboop
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To: Safetgiver
Wanted to be a bear whisperer and ended up a bear fart.

Oh, man ... that's cold! (And pretty funny)

16 posted on 08/16/2005 12:14:51 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Sax

Yogi bump! ;o)


17 posted on 08/16/2005 12:15:31 PM PDT by TheBigB (Gum would be perfection!)
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To: ZULU
"Experts say Treadwell was an example of how not to behave around these animals."

It took a f---ing expert to figure that out?

18 posted on 08/16/2005 12:15:39 PM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: hombre_sincero
I knew I could find a copy of that smilie that was posted on here a couple years ago!
bulldozer3.gif ( 164k pic ) Now if someone has a bear attack smilie to add to the collection .....
19 posted on 08/16/2005 12:16:52 PM PDT by hombre_sincero
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To: flashbunny
Bartlebaugh says Treadwell's decision to ignore this advice was influenced by his aim to become known as a "bear whisperer."

Something tells me he wasn't whispering at the end there. Probably wound up as a "bear screaming-his-head-off-er"...

20 posted on 08/16/2005 12:17:00 PM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: ZULU
Katmai park rangers shot the thousand-pound (450-kilogram) male

At point blank range, with a .25 automatic pistol. In the belly.

21 posted on 08/16/2005 12:18:08 PM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: StrangerInParadise; ZULU

This guy and his doper girlfriend were considered eco-fools by the wildlife community. Their actions are viewed totally harmful by wildlife professionals.


22 posted on 08/16/2005 12:18:15 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: ZULU

Having just returned from an Alaskan fishing trip I can tell you the locals take the bear threat seriously. We never went out fishing on the river without an armed guide. I can post a picture of a bear attack if any are interested and will provide instrution on how to do the posting of pictures.


23 posted on 08/16/2005 12:19:17 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: ZULU

Bears will be, well, bears.


24 posted on 08/16/2005 12:19:45 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ZULU
I went to see Ron "Tater Salad" White last weekend.

One of his new jokes was: Wouldn't it be funny if this guy's father had told him all his life that "You'll never be sh**".

Brought down the house.

On a more serious note.

I saw a documentary about this guy last week (weird timing, huh). His camera was operating, but with the lens cap still on, so only the audio was on, while the bear was tearing them up. His last words appear to have been telling his wife to hit it with a frying pan.

Mine would have been "Shoot it,.....again"!!!

His stunts cost him, his new wife and a bear their lives. It seems to me that he probably also ultimately endangered other humans, as well as his "beloved" bears, by over-socializing them to human presence.

Grizzlies are amazing ans intelligent creatures, but you've gotta be insane to do what he did, armed or unarmed.
25 posted on 08/16/2005 12:20:45 PM PDT by conservativeharleyguy (Democrats: Over 60 million fooled daily!!!)
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To: ZULU

The sounds of the bear chomping on this poor soul and his girlfriend are horrendous I heard. Does anyone know if Herzog uses these sounds in the film?


26 posted on 08/16/2005 12:21:39 PM PDT by eleni121 (ual9fyiung for student aid nd taking clleg level course at the same time!)
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To: ZULU
" his message that grizzly bears should be protected and preserved."

but his actions did EXACTLY the opposite.....

Treadwell did more harm than good....

don't people realize that if you want to protect wildlife, you make sure they stay wild.......

if bears would associate people and dogs with harm, they would never come near human beings and they would thus be able to live long lives.....

27 posted on 08/16/2005 12:22:01 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ZULU
In the end, his madness cost him his life, his girl friend's life and two bear's lives...
28 posted on 08/16/2005 12:25:24 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Bigoleelephant

To bad, but once a bear has the taste for human meat you can't take a chance it won't develope a preference.

I wonder if this guy and his girl friend were vegetarians? I've been trying to collect data on my theory that bears and mountain lions seem to be attracted to herbivores over carnivores. It's based on some advice given to me from some old high country residents.


29 posted on 08/16/2005 12:25:34 PM PDT by tertiary01 (It took 21 years but 1984 finally arrived.)
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To: gridlock
"Something tells me he wasn't whispering at the end there. Probably wound up as a "bear screaming-his-head-off-er"..."

basically, what I read was he was yelling at his girlfriend to "do" something while he was being eaten......

30 posted on 08/16/2005 12:26:32 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ZULU

I understand this bear whisperer gig was not his first choice. Among the other occupations he considered but did not pursue for some reason or other, were 'Shark Whisperer' and 'Nitroglycerin Juggler'.


31 posted on 08/16/2005 12:26:35 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ZULU

Treadwell was a stupid man. He professed to love the bears, but his stupidity killed himself and them---two dead people and two dead bears.


32 posted on 08/16/2005 12:27:06 PM PDT by Orca
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To: ZULU
"Treadwell claimed to have identified 21 vocalizations and body languages in grizzlies.... the one he didn't recognize was the most important: "It was the one that says, Leave me alone." "

Or perhaps the one that says, "I'm starving, what's for lunch?"

33 posted on 08/16/2005 12:27:20 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (...or false prophet at the very least.)
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To: eleni121
He does not. He heard them, through headphones, but refused to use them in the film. I heard an interview with him, and he acknowledged that the guy was nuts, a depressed alcoholic,and basically the film is about the man, and not about the bears. The fellow was highly deluded, and ended up dying in his delusions..in a rather horrible way.
34 posted on 08/16/2005 12:28:04 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: conservativeharleyguy
Maybe he fell off the wagon.

There's that old, well, really old joke about the time Alaska became a state. A Texan, distraught that he was no longer
a resident of the biggest state in the Union heads up North.

He was told, to become a real Alaskan, you have to drink a bottle of whiskey in one gulp, wrestle a grizzly
bear barehanded and make love to an Eskimo woman all in one night.

So, he buys a fifth of whiskey, downs it in one gulp, and then then goes to find a bear. A couple of hours later
the would-be Alaskan stumbles through the door, his clothes shredded and his body covered with cuts and bruises, and
asks, "Where's that Eskimo woman you want me to wrestle?"

35 posted on 08/16/2005 12:30:40 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: tertiary01

This guy was killed while tent camping in a place he called the Grizzly Maze, a brushy area near a salmon run that was overrun with brownies due to some other nearby runs being slower than usual. There was no reason to kill the bear, as the area is not camped, only viewed by fly-in bear watching groups that don't typically go ashore.

Treadwell was a dope whose actions killed two wild bears that were no threat to humans. The book about it, also calle Grizzly Maze, is okay but not worth buying. I read it in about 90 minutes while sitting at Borders.


36 posted on 08/16/2005 12:32:19 PM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: tertiary01
If the bear had come down out of the woods and eaten somebody, we'd have a problem. He just ate the nearest thing.

My point is that if the guy wasn't there in the first place, the bear would probably still be eating fish and berries.

I don't know what they were. It sounds like an interesting hypothesis.

37 posted on 08/16/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by Bigoleelephant
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To: tertiary01

This guy was killed while tent camping in a place he called the Grizzly Maze, a brushy area near a salmon run that was overrun with brownies due to some other nearby runs being slower than usual. There was no reason to kill the bear, as the area is not camped, only viewed by fly-in bear watching groups that don't typically go ashore.

Treadwell was a dope whose actions killed two wild bears that were no threat to humans. The book about it, also calle Grizzly Maze, is okay but not worth buying. I read it in about 90 minutes while sitting at Borders.


38 posted on 08/16/2005 12:32:41 PM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: ZULU

He needed one of Troy's Grizzy Suits!


39 posted on 08/16/2005 12:32:56 PM PDT by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of "Reynolds Aluminum Products - Implant Suppression Division")
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To: ExpatCanuck
'Nitroglycerin Juggler'

SNORT!

40 posted on 08/16/2005 12:34:02 PM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: cherry

I saw this idiot on 20/20 or one of those and he seemed like a real "Valley Boy" type. Like maybe one too many acid trips! He was a real idiot any way! I was almost cheering in the end when the bear kills him and his idiot girlfriend. What girl in her right mind goes off to live with some dolt who tells her he cavorts with bears?! Oh sure I'll go hang with Grizzlies!


41 posted on 08/16/2005 12:35:31 PM PDT by LYSandra
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To: cherry

I saw this idiot on 20/20 or one of those and he seemed like a real "Valley Boy" type. Like maybe one too many acid trips! He was a real idiot any way! I was almost cheering in the end when the bear kills him and his idiot girlfriend. What girl in her right mind goes off to live with some dolt who tells her he cavorts with bears?! Oh sure I'll go hang with Grizzlies!


42 posted on 08/16/2005 12:35:36 PM PDT by LYSandra
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To: MplsSteve
"That doesn't mean that he deserved it.

Deserved it?

NO!

But actions have consequences.

You "pays your money and you takes your chances!"

43 posted on 08/16/2005 12:39:52 PM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is...not be one of them!)
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To: ZULU

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you.


44 posted on 08/16/2005 12:40:11 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Islam is war)
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To: tertiary01
I wonder if this guy and his girl friend were vegetarians? I've been trying to collect data on my theory that bears and mountain lions seem to be attracted to herbivores over carnivores. It's based on some advice given to me from some old high country residents.

Hey, you win the prize! I read he once explained to some schoolkids that he can get so close to the bears because he is a vegan, therefore the bears don't smell him as a rival carnivore.

I would think rival carnivore would be a step up from tasty herbivore.

45 posted on 08/16/2005 12:46:58 PM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: tertiary01
I wonder if this guy and his girl friend were vegetarians? I've been trying to collect data on my theory that bears and mountain lions seem to be attracted to herbivores over carnivores. It's based on some advice given to me from some old high country residents.

Hey, you win the prize! I read he once explained to some schoolkids that he can get so close to the bears because he is a vegan, therefore the bears don't smell him as a rival carnivore.

I would think rival carnivore would be a step up from tasty herbivore.

46 posted on 08/16/2005 12:47:04 PM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: ZULU
"We as humans have to be diligent about being around these beautiful animals. You don't move away because the bear is going to kill you. You move away because you want the bear to be wild."

In my universe, I would never allow this moonbat to have that particular job.
He hasn't grasped the common sense hierarchy of the relative value of animals and humans. He scares me.

To me, "... because he is going to kill you" is overriding and paramount!

47 posted on 08/16/2005 12:47:38 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: albee

I agree.

Actions do have consequences - and this guy should have known better.


48 posted on 08/16/2005 12:48:14 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: ZULU
"People have done that with a lot of animals, such as gorillas and chimpanzees. It works, up to a point.

LOL. It works up to the point when a half-ton omnivore with an irrepressible appetite decides it wants to eat.

49 posted on 08/16/2005 12:48:18 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: eleni121
The sounds of the bear chomping on this poor soul and his girlfriend are horrendous I heard. Does anyone know if Herzog uses these sounds in the film?

Fortunately, I have never heard the sounds, nor would I want to. I did see several photos of what was left of the body. It was not pretty.

50 posted on 08/16/2005 12:52:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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