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Ex-military marksman 'shot down sheriff's copter' (Jason Kerns former sniper in the US Marines)
Sydney Morning Herald & AP ^ | August 17, 2005

Posted on 08/17/2005 3:16:53 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

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This is getting old. First this incident, then the guy who had a bottle thrown at his window opened up to the crowd.

This is disturbing.

1 posted on 08/17/2005 3:16:54 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
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To: No Longer Free State
Source: KRQE News 13

Former marine sniper accused of shooting sheriff's helicopter

ALBUQUERQUE -- News 13 has learned that the man accused of shooting down a sheriff’s department helicopter is a former sniper in the US Marines.

Jason Kerns, 29, was arrested Monday at his home on Columbus Circle, located near the crash site in Paradise Hills.

The Bernalillo County Sheriff says it's apparent Kerns’ training played a role in the incident. The helicopter was 400 feet above the ground when it was hit and landed over 1600 feet away from kern’s property.

Kearns was honorably discharged from the military in 2001 and does not have a criminal history.

According to the criminal complaint, Kerns told deputies he heard a gunshot and then saw the chopper go down in the early morning of August 6th.

He said he then ran to help the pilot and deputy. However, deputies soon learned it wasn't Kerns who helped the occupants, was he was the only person who heard a gunshot.

Gun linked to Kerns

They did several interviews with Kerns, and set up surveillance on his home. They soon learned kerns owns a high-powered 30-06 rifle.

Forensic investigators were able to determine the gun matched the bullet that brought down the helicopter.

Kerns was arrested in his driveway as he arrived home Monday night.

Kearns is facing state charges, and could soon face federal charges.

“What’s important is that we're going to prosecute this crime to the fullest,” says Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White. “There are some very serious charges implied against someone who shoots at an aircraft. We intend to work with the FBI and (District) attorneys’ office to bring those charges.”

2 posted on 08/17/2005 3:19:23 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Okay. So this guy did an amazingly stupid thing.

But he's also an amazingly good shot. I've gotta give him that.

3 posted on 08/17/2005 3:21:00 AM PDT by pillbox_girl
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To: Former Military Chick

Did not see the key line, "Drink was involved."

Sounds like something alcohol drenched brain cells would see as an interesting proposition.


4 posted on 08/17/2005 3:25:56 AM PDT by KeyWest
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Have to say 1.8 million is a very stiff bail amount, cash to boot.

These charges are serious. Sad too. To think he served this country, in the US Marines, received an honorable discharge only to return and throw his life away.

He is so lucky that nobody was seriously injured or worse.

I am waiting, tick tock, for someone to blame it on Iraq or the military. Those that serve receive from me an extra pat on the back, which I would consider if in fact someone were found guilty of breaking the law. Their service if honorable should work in their favor.

What is over the top, that this might be similar to the case of the Marine of the Year, MA, ( Marine Accused in Shooting Pleads Innocent -- decorated Marine Daniel Cotnoir )who shot at a crowd. He gave a warning shot.

This guy, Kern's has said he was annoyed by the helicopter noise. Get out of town.

If I appear without compassion, it is not meant to appear that way but I just wonder what is going on.

Innocent until proven guilty.

5 posted on 08/17/2005 3:38:05 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick

As a retired Marine, this is inexcusable. Lock the bum up if he's guilty, throw away the key.


6 posted on 08/17/2005 3:47:37 AM PDT by deadeyedawg (Crush our enemies, listen to their lamentations, and drive them before us!)
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Your words are music to my ears.

If you might, what are your thoughts of the Marine who "shot a warning shot" (Marine Accused in Shooting Pleads Innocent -- decorated Marine Daniel Cotnoir )thought nobody would be injured. The charge is over the top, I presume it is about pre trial positioning. Much easier to ratchet down the charges than up the charges but his actions equally concern me.

Again thanks for the comment.

7 posted on 08/17/2005 3:53:45 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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They soon learned kerns owns a high-powered 30-06 rifle.

So does half of the population out West. Great hunting rifle!

8 posted on 08/17/2005 3:55:29 AM PDT by Road Warrior 04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Former Military Chick

I don't see where it says he's was a sniper. I was a marksmanship instructor but I was no sniper.


9 posted on 08/17/2005 4:00:52 AM PDT by BBell
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Former marine sniper accused of shooting sheriff's helicopter

ALBUQUERQUE -- News 13 has learned that the man accused of shooting down a sheriff’s department helicopter is a former sniper in the US Marines.

10 posted on 08/17/2005 4:09:41 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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They soon learned kerns owns a high-powered 30-06 rifle.

This is a two fer...

One attack the eeeevil "High Powered Rifle", even a .30-06 which is a pretty standard deer rifle in these parts....more antigun dreck to fuel the anti .50 BMG funk.

Two the "he is military and a sniper so we have to suspect him" crap, which ties into the crazed PTSD time bomb drug addict image the MSM pasted onto returning Vietnam vets, just part of the ongoing attempt to smear our veterans, regardless of in which conflict they served.

The guy said he heard the shot, not that he took it. (just because you can do something does not mean you did), but that would not give them an excuse to sack up this guy's firearms....

Amid the hype, I'll opt for a presumption of innocence.

Forensic investigators were able to determine the gun matched the bullet that brought down the helicopter.

You cannot do that without test firing the gun (rifle) and doing a ballistics check. To do that, (to match the two) you have to have a recovered bullet from the crime scene. Last I heard, no bullet had been recovered from the helicopter. So what gives with this BS?

11 posted on 08/17/2005 4:13:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Um was he listening to the local Oldies station and they were playing "I shot the sherrif but I didn't shoot the deputy?" If so I think he has grounds for a lawsuit! The radio station was obviously at fault for putting the idea in his head..... sarcasm.


12 posted on 08/17/2005 4:19:55 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Former Military Chick
The media and sheriff have already convicted and all but hung this guy. Maybe he did it, maybe not, but why is everyone so quick to assume guilt on no more evidence than the word of the sheriff. The gun and bullet relationship was not explained.
Ability and means alone is not a case. If that were true, most of us would be guilty of something. Given this guy had an honorable discharge and no prior record, I think the innocent until proven guilty principal applies.
If the evidence presented in a court of law convicts him, then by all means give him his due. Until then he's presumed innocent.
13 posted on 08/17/2005 4:22:02 AM PDT by RLM
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To: deadeyedawg

He was discharged, not retired, but, yes, a long time behind bars at a minimum.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 4:23:10 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: KeyWest

Sounds like a race to see whether the alcohol effected his judgement or aim first. Looks like the aim lasted at least a few seconds longer...


15 posted on 08/17/2005 4:23:14 AM PDT by gridlock (IF YOU'RE NOT CATCHING FLAK, YOU'RE NOT OVER THE TARGET...)
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To: GunnyBob

Ping


16 posted on 08/17/2005 4:25:02 AM PDT by ajolympian2004
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To: Former Military Chick

Drunk or sober, why did he do that?


17 posted on 08/17/2005 4:26:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: RLM

While what you say should always be norm, sadly our society has moved from the innocent until proven guilty.

It is as if all cases I can think back on, the media and those who follow the cases have concluded the person guilty.

I suppose some might say, if the prosecutors have enough to charge than he must be guilty and the trial is just formality. I do not support that but it is just how it appears.

He deserves the presumption. But, and this is where I am getting ticked off at the few cases I have read of returning folks from Iraq getting into trouble and than using the excuse of war to justify the actions.

Your comment gave me cause, I will try harder to remain fair.

Thanks so much.


18 posted on 08/17/2005 4:29:32 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Has PTSD been claimed -yet-- Many the time when I desired
to shoot down them chattering birds just because I wearied of their constant noise. Never did- though -guess I just wasn't under the influence at the time.


19 posted on 08/17/2005 4:30:13 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Publius6961

I suppose that will be the million dollar question, that may be the plot for a TV movie of the week.

The warrant and documents seem to be sealed at this time. So we are left with speculation.


20 posted on 08/17/2005 4:31:30 AM PDT by Former Military Chick (I salute all our Vets, those who walked before me and all those who walk after me.)
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