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Why the 'Chickenhawk' argument is un-American: Part I
TownHall ^ | August 17, 2005 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 08/17/2005 7:45:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

Who is qualified to speak on matters of national security? According to the American left, only pacifists, military members who have served in combat and direct relatives of those slain in combat or in acts of terrorism. The rest of us -- about 80 percent of voters -- must simply sit by silently. Our opinions do not matter. You want disenfranchisement? Talk to the political left, which seeks to exclude the vast majority of the American populace from the national debate about foreign policy.

The bulk of the left in this country refuses to argue about foreign policy rationally, without resorting to ad hominem attack. The favored ad hominem attack of the left these days is "chickenhawk." The argument goes something like this: If you believe in any of the wars America is currently fighting, you must join the military. If you do not, you must shut up. If, on the other hand, you believe that America should disengage from all foreign wars, you may feel free not to serve in the military.

This is the argument made by hate-America radicals like Michael Moore, who defines "chickenhawk" on his website thus: "A person enthusiastic about war, provided someone else fights it; particularly when that enthusiasm is undimmed by personal experience with war; most emphatically when that lack of experience came in spite of ample opportunity in that person's youth." The "chickenhawk" argument was the implicit centerpiece of John Kerry's presidential campaign -- Kerry hyped his military service and denigrated George W. Bush's military service, all the while focusing on the fact that he, unlike President Bush, was anti-war. Kerry's campaign underling, Sen. Frank Lautenberg, made the argument explicit during April 2004: "They shriek like a hawk, but they have the backbone of the chicken," he said of the Bush Administration. "The lead chickenhawk against Sen. Kerry [is] the vice president of the United States, Vice President Cheney." Not coincidentally, Lautenberg utilized Moore's exact "chickenhawk" definition in making his point.

The "chickenhawk" argument is dishonest. It is dishonest because the principle of republicanism is based on freedom of choice about behavior (as long as that behavior is legal) as well as freedom of speech about political issues. We constantly vote on activities with which we may or may not be intimately involved. We vote on police policy, though few of us are policemen; we vote on welfare policy, though few of us either work in the welfare bureaucracy or have been on welfare; we vote on tax policy, even if some of us don't pay taxes. The list goes on and on. Representative democracy necessarily means that millions of us vote on issues with which we have had little practical experience. The "chickenhawk" argument -- which states that if you haven't served in the military, you can't have an opinion on foreign policy -- explicitly rejects basic principles of representative democracy.

The "chickenhawk" argument also explicitly rejects the Constitution itself. The Constitution provides that civilians control the military. The president of the United States is commander-in-chief, whether or not he has served in the military. Congress controls the purse strings and declares war, no matter whether any of its members have served in the military or not. For foreign policy doves to high-handedly declare that military service is a prerequisite to a hawkish foreign policy mindset is not only dangerous, but directly conflicts with the Constitution itself.

The "chickenhawk" argument proves only one point: The left is incapable of discussing foreign policy in a rational manner. They must resort to purely emotional, base personal attacks in order to forward their agenda. And so, unable or unwilling to counter the arguments of those like Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and President Bush, they label them all "chickenhawks." By the leftist logic, here are some other "chickenhawks": John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and Bill Clinton.

American soldiers fight for the right of all Americans, regardless of race, class or past service, to speak out on foreign policy issues. If they fight for the right of pacifist anti-military fifth columnists like Michael Moore to denigrate their honor, they certainly fight for the right of civilian hawks to speak up in favor of the highest level of moral and material support for their heroism.


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1 posted on 08/17/2005 7:45:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I actually love it when they pull the "chickenhawk" argument out.

It means they have gone from logic to feelings. In short, they have nothing left to argue so they try to get personal.


2 posted on 08/17/2005 7:48:01 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Kaslin

The world's most famous "chickenhawk" these days is arguably Elton John but to say that would be bigoted.


3 posted on 08/17/2005 7:49:23 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: nuffsenuff
I dare any of them to call me a chickenhawk...


4 posted on 08/17/2005 7:49:41 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Kaslin
I guess we chicken hawks are callous in attacking Cindy Sheehan's leftist stands on our military and Iraq. How dare we question her patriotism!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
5 posted on 08/17/2005 7:50:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin
This is a very good article. I would say that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, both who have not served, understand national security more than people like John Kerry and Charlie Wrangel, both who did serve. At least Sean and Rush did not get a dishonable discharge.

This is the stupid supposition made by the left during the election in 2004. They tried the same thing with McGovern years earlier and lost.

6 posted on 08/17/2005 7:51:55 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: nuffsenuff

Since when have they ever used logic?


7 posted on 08/17/2005 7:52:49 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: nuffsenuff

Agreed. It's like the old line, 'in any debate the first one who mentions Hitler loses'. Military service, or the lack of it, has no bearing on the value of opinions. The left hates the military and those who support it. The great minority of military men who are Dems are no doubts fags, shell shocked or looking for a fast buck on a book tour.


8 posted on 08/17/2005 7:53:11 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: Kaslin
"One was killed by immersion into a vat of acid. Ten others, he recalls, were put into a room and torn apart by wild dogs...The police came for his wife and tortured her to reveal his whereabouts; when she didn't break, they took his daughter and crushed her feet. She was 2 then. Today, she wears metal braces on her legs, and can only hobble...He was beaten with a water hose filled with stones. When he passed out, he was shocked back into consciousness with an electric cable. They hung him by his legs, pulled out a fingernail with pliers, and drove an electric drill through his foot." -Saddams Chamber of Horrors

And yet, we have idiots like this:


9 posted on 08/17/2005 7:56:04 AM PDT by varyouga (reformed Kerry voter (I know, I'm a frickin idiot))
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To: Chi-townChief

What makes Elton John a chickenhawk? Or is this some new gay slang?


10 posted on 08/17/2005 7:57:07 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: Kaslin
LOL... In the world of gay men the term "chickenhawk" is used to describe men that like to have sex with underage boys. We call them Pedophiles!

Why has no one on the right picked up on this?

11 posted on 08/17/2005 7:57:32 AM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight the Muslim Army in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Check my homepage)
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To: Kaslin
Who is qualified to speak on matters of national security?

Apparently, not this guy:


12 posted on 08/17/2005 7:58:07 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: cambridge
The great minority of military men who are Dems are no doubts fags, shell shocked or looking for a fast buck on a book tour.

More on the line of self-serving jerks who only went into the military, not out of patriotism, but for a free ride.


13 posted on 08/17/2005 7:58:11 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

"[Dems in the military are ] more on the line of self-serving jerks who only went into the military, not out of patriotism, but for a free ride."

At least they're being flushed out and deterred from joining now.


14 posted on 08/17/2005 8:02:57 AM PDT by cambridge ( I was sympathetic to her before I was against her.)
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To: All

To resort to name calling on any side of a debate means that you have nothing of meaning left to say. It is sad when that happens, and both sides are guilty of it. To claim that one person is more American then another because they are for the war is absolutely crazy, and the opposite is also true.

There are many ways to support the troops. You can send care packages, you can write a thank you note to a squadron that is deployed or TDY. You can send a letter to a wing commander or MAJCOM commander. Letters like that get trickled down, and we all appreciate them.

We in the military give up our basic freedoms so the American people can enjoy them. Thank you all for your support.


15 posted on 08/17/2005 8:03:48 AM PDT by Buke (Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence in All We Do)
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To: Polybius

FDR and Woodrow Wilson were *political* chickenhawks by the standards of the Left.

BTW, isn't it time for the bi-monthly 'Lincoln was gay' thread?


16 posted on 08/17/2005 8:04:33 AM PDT by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Kaslin
I guess Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR must all be chickenhawks as well. Same thing with Clinton. But you will never hear any of the DUmmies condemn those as chickenhawks. No, the term "chickenhawk" doesn't apply to simply anyone who supports a war without having served, but rather only someone who supports a war they disagree with without having served.
17 posted on 08/17/2005 8:10:36 AM PDT by NatsFan
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To: Kaslin
Talk about a definition of a liberal>>> If, on the other hand, you believe that America should disengage from all foreign wars, you may feel free not to serve in the military. <<<<...or feel free not to pay your taxes...ala Sheehan....or demand social welfare, but funded with "other peoples money"

To win an argument...Always remember the difference...A conservative bases his politics on his morals...

A liberal bases his morals on his politics...hence the ends justifies the means...( U can trap 'em every time in their own rhetoric
18 posted on 08/17/2005 8:11:36 AM PDT by M-cubed ((Tinfoil has many uses!...*G*))
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To: stockpirate

We have - the left is anti-gay after all.


19 posted on 08/17/2005 8:12:12 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: KC_Conspirator
I would say that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, both who have not served, understand national security more than people like John Kerry and Charlie Wrangel, both who did serve.

My father-in-law served honorable in Korea (two tours) and Vietnam (two tours), but he is last person in the world I would want to be in charge of national security.

20 posted on 08/17/2005 8:16:13 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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