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Jesus would vote Democratic
Far Left Seattle Pi ^ | Thursday, August 18, 2005 | By LINDA VALDEZ

Posted on 08/18/2005 8:39:28 AM PDT by against_kerry

The Democrats turn their lonely eyes to Hillary: Give us a message. Lead us home.

Even for the Wonder Woman of the Party of JFK, this is no easy task. How to decry the excesses of the Bush administration and the GOP Congress without validating the label "The Party of No"?

How to lure enough GOP votes to win elections at a time when Democrat means liberal and liberal is a term of derision?

A Web site set up by a minister and his daughter (www.liveliberal.com) has an answer you can wear on a T-shirt: "Liberal is not a dirty word."

Retired Lutheran minister Daniel Bruch of Live Liberal gets right to the point: "I don't know if Jesus was the first liberal, but he was an important one."

Jesus taught love, tolerance, forgiveness, charity and humility. Don't take my word for it. Read the New Testament. It's not that long. And it's not about fire-and-brimstone fundamentalism, judging one another or dominating the Earth. It outlines a philosophy based on a really radical idea: Love your creator, love yourself, love your neighbor as yourself.

When it comes to following this lesson, the current administration "is walking 180 degrees opposite of the person they call their savior," Bruch said in a phone interview.

On their Web site, Bruch and daughter Sarah offer quotes and essays on liberalism that Hillary Rodham Clinton should work into her speeches. For example, "liberals support changes that increase personal freedom and tolerance, and exercise the liberty to empower government to the extent necessary to achieve those ends."

Instead of trying to make their best candidate, Clinton, into a vanilla-flavored, inoffensive centrist, Democrats ought to boldly point out that liberals provided the impetus to move society toward acceptance of civil rights, women's rights, children's rights, consumers' rights, etc.

Liberals also deserve "family values" mantle because the 40-hour workweek, laws against child labor and other protections for workingmen and women were liberal ideas of old. High-quality childcare is a liberal idea for today's working families.

They should be "for" better wages.

They should be "for" national health care.

They should be "for" being liberals. They should point out that Jesus was a liberal, too.

Somehow, Democrats let others define them as elitist snobs. That label, not the liberal label, is the one Democrats have to shake.

Can Hillary help them do it?

She has the charisma and the intelligence -- and she has infinite patience, or Bill would be toast. She needs the guts to take a proud left turn and loudly proclaim that the United States is not a "Christian nation" in any pinched or exclusionary way. It's a nation that honors the individual rights of pagans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and others, as well as Christians.

It is also nation that acts for the common good in ways that were meticulously outlined by a radical liberal named Jesus.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; antichristian; anythingtogetelected; christianity; christians; christianvote; election2008; falsewitness; hillary; hillaryclinton; hillaryin2008; jesus; lyingliars; propaganda; religion; religiousintolerance; snakeoilsalesmen; snowjob
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1 posted on 08/18/2005 8:39:28 AM PDT by against_kerry
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To: against_kerry

and WHAT kind of babble is this?????

someone needs to get a life, a real one!


2 posted on 08/18/2005 8:41:12 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: against_kerry

Jesus was for personal responsibility. Something liberals are totally against.


3 posted on 08/18/2005 8:41:37 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: against_kerry

Silly, contrived twaddle. Too many absurdities to bother to reply to it.


4 posted on 08/18/2005 8:42:06 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: against_kerry

When I read trash like this, I ask "who are they trying to fool?"

Any Christian would immediately see the fallacy. And most nonChristians don't give a hoot who Jesus would vote for.


5 posted on 08/18/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: against_kerry
You forget the high-velocity projectile, extra chunky alert

-Eric

6 posted on 08/18/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: against_kerry

Jesus a liberal? That means Jesus believed that:

Abortion is a right
Gays should be able to marry
People should be taxed to oblivion
Government should keep Him out of public life

Yeah...sure he was a liberal.

Moron.


7 posted on 08/18/2005 8:43:36 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: against_kerry

I don't know if Neville Chamberlain was the first liberal, but he acted like most of them.


8 posted on 08/18/2005 8:44:05 AM PDT by DOGEY
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To: E Rocc

LOL

I actually almost fell asleep reading it....


9 posted on 08/18/2005 8:45:23 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: against_kerry

It's the left's summer talking points. They've been saying this since June.


10 posted on 08/18/2005 8:46:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Yes, that will certainly make the American people ignore the volumes of derision and disrespect liberals constantly push at Christianity.
Until the Democratic party rids itself of the extremist at moveon.org and their pals who actively dislike Christians, they're not going to get the Christian vote.


11 posted on 08/18/2005 8:47:34 AM PDT by usnjay
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To: against_kerry

The author seems every bit as confused as every other retard in this stupid city.


12 posted on 08/18/2005 8:47:34 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Every evil which liberals imagine Judaism and Christianity to be, islam is.)
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To: against_kerry

I Know Jesus and he's a conservative , liberals don't have a clue .


13 posted on 08/18/2005 8:47:35 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. ; ) Islam's Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: against_kerry
Anti-Christians who speak for Christ.

Well, they can't sink lower than hell.

At least all their friends will be there

14 posted on 08/18/2005 8:47:55 AM PDT by airborne
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To: against_kerry; Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army; Lazamataz; Darksheare; pissant; Dashing Dasher; najida; ...
"Jesus would vote Democratic"

"Jesus taught love, tolerance, forgiveness, charity and humility."

Go over to the DU, or listen to the vitriol spewing forth from the Democrats in the House and Senate, and tell me where any of these things fit into the teachings of Jesus.

15 posted on 08/18/2005 8:48:14 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: RockinRight
Government should keep Him out of public life
In reality, Jesus of Nazareth never wanted the government to endorse, let alone enforce, his religion. Recall the distinction he made between duty to Caesar and duty to God.

Blending of religion and government from a Christian perpective began with the conversion of the Emperor Constantine.

-Eric

16 posted on 08/18/2005 8:48:16 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: against_kerry

I don't remember the part of the New Testament that told of Jesus protesting the Romans for minimum wage laws, national health care, etc. Maybe someone here can list the passages for me. I obviously missed something.


17 posted on 08/18/2005 8:48:27 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Mogollon

"Jesus was for personal responsibility. Something liberals are totally against."



Yes, liberals always forget about the "go and sin no more" part. They also forget that the Apostle Paul wrote that "if a man will not work, he shall not eat" (2 Thess. 3:10).

And, of course, Jesus said "whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to Me" (Mt. 25:40). Do liberals really think that Jesus would vote for the abortion party?


18 posted on 08/18/2005 8:48:47 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: lionheart 247365


REMEMBER..if they stay off their meds too long...dems tend not only to talk to Jesus Christ, but think they're him as well.


19 posted on 08/18/2005 8:49:03 AM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Soylent Green is People!")
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To: against_kerry

Oh the delicious irony. Liberals hate Christianity and react like vampires whenever they see the cross.


20 posted on 08/18/2005 8:49:09 AM PDT by bushinohio
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To: against_kerry

Three words nullify everything this crackpot bimbo says -- abortion on demand.


21 posted on 08/18/2005 8:49:41 AM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: against_kerry
Posted twice: Here
22 posted on 08/18/2005 8:49:43 AM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: against_kerry

"Liberals also deserve "family values" mantle "

The writer MUST be kidding. The Democrats stand against every traditional family value. The only way you could say they support family values is to redefine "family", which is exactly what they have been trying to do for the past 40 years.


23 posted on 08/18/2005 8:49:51 AM PDT by Rocky
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To: against_kerry
Somehow, I don't think Jesus would be out there marching down city streets demanding abortion-on-demand and pushing for gay rights.

What utter pap.
24 posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:05 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Islam is war)
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To: E Rocc

Endorse, no, but that doesn't mean Jesus wanted government to BAN him either.


25 posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:10 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: against_kerry
.....exercise the liberty to empower government to the extent necessary to achieve those ends."

Profound....profoundly stupid.

26 posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:44 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: against_kerry

Ya see,
it's all about looks...
he had long hair and wore sandals
(OK, granted that this was what everyone ELSE wore during the time is overlooked).


27 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:22 AM PDT by najida (I hate Maytag. I hate Equifax. I hate Hewlett-Packard. I'm just one big ole ball of hate >:>)
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To: against_kerry
I've had it out with this woman before. Jesus most CERTAINLY would NOT vote Democrat.

First, the entire pattern of the Bible, of God's plan, is for wealth to be transferred from the OLDER to the YOUNGER, from grandparents to parents to children. It is NEVER to be from the younger to the older. Therefore, Jesus would opposed Social Security and the New Deal.

Second, the Law, which Jesus Himself said He came to fulfill, is chocked full of references to property rights, to the point that it is an "abomination" to even falsely set scales so as to cheat someone out of his profits or out of the fruit of his labor. Jesus would not support any party that thumbed its nose at property rights.

Third, Jesus supported national defense. As a young man---a carpenter in Nazareth---Jesus and his father Joseph worked for the leading employer in that GARRISON TOWN, namely the ROMAN ARMY. Do you really think that He made coffee tables all day? No! Jesus, when not doing civilian work, like all carpenters worked for the military building forts, siege equipment, and (I betcha) a few crosses. (Indeed, God works in perfect cycles, and I would not be at all surprised if the crossbar to which Jesus was nailed at age 33 was one He Himself built back in Nazareth as a younger man). Paul, further, explained the reason that it is written, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, VENGEANCE IS MINE saith the Lord," yet we soon see numerous instructions by God for the conditions of capital punishment. This whole verse is constantly misunderstood: God does not want vendettas. He wants the government, "God's ministers," as Paul calls leaders, to carry out policies, not individuals. When society does it, it is just, and orderly. That's why Paul says "the state does not wield the sword in vain, but to . . . execute wrath." Governments must defend societies SO THAT INDIVIDUALS DON'T HAVE TO engage in vendettas! No one ran off to Afghanistan to kill Muslims after 9/11 because we knew our government would respond. Notice that Paul says that the government's job is not even to "execute JUSTICE," but to "execute wrath." In other words, to get even so that individuals feel like they have been avenged.

Fourth, Jesus did not oppose legally-acquired wealth. The Bible says that "GOD gives you the power to acquire wealth." Well, why would He give you the power if He didn't expect you to use it? Jesus had a "trust fund" from the time He was a young child (the wise men's gold); He spent little of His wages for some 17 years; and many of His disciples (John, James, Peter, Matthew) were quite well off. (Matthew's house was so big the Bible says he invited the whole city to his party for Jesus.

Finally, Jesus would never vote for a party that condones the killing of babies or which encourages men to lie with men. That's a no-brainer.

28 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:30 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: against_kerry

I thought liberals didn't believe in God?


29 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:37 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: against_kerry
"Jesus taught love, tolerance, forgiveness, charity and humility."

Tolerance of sin? He loved sinners but he said "Go forth and sin no more".

Democrats celebrate their sins with Gay Pride parades. Perversity on display.

Jesus loved His enemies. Democrats demonize their domestic political opponents in the most off color and violent fanged language.

How does aborting a baby represent anything Jesus said or did? The "right" to abortion is of utmost importance to the left.

It isn't charity when the government takes your money under penalty of law. When you freely give with no pressure to do so, that is charity.

Is the criminal serving his community service time a better citizen than the straight arrow citizen who goes to his job, earns his paycheck, pays his taxes, and raises his family?

30 posted on 08/18/2005 8:51:50 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: against_kerry

Is this a Liberal or a Conservative message? "There is such a thing as Sin. You're sinning, so knock it off. Hit the road, and don't repeat your sinning ways."

You decide.


31 posted on 08/18/2005 8:52:55 AM PDT by Socratic (Liberal's motto: Capio ergo sum.)
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To: HarleyLady27
Jesus did not (or would not) hold a party affiliation. Being God, he is as far above partisan politics as the heavens above the earth.

Following the logic, then, Jesus was for Homosexuality, Abortion, Caring for those who choose not to care for themselves, promiscuity, unfetterd divorce, and religion. A careful reading of his sayings will refute these.

A better question to ask, or questions to answer, is "Why was Jesus born?" or "What was the purpose of His ministry?" or "Why the cross?"

Jesus came to save sinners, of whom I am chief. He did not come to show the way, or to teach religion, or to start a newfangled belief system. He came to rescue us from God's (his own) wrath! HE IS THE WAY!

These silly essays are for others, like themselves who neither read nor understand the principal message of the New Testament! For quai-Christians (CINO?) who are not born again, and worship another jesus, one of their own imagination. He fits in nicely with their world view of tolerance.

If God were tolerant, why did Jesus die?

32 posted on 08/18/2005 8:53:02 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Brilliant

AMEN my thoughts exactly!


33 posted on 08/18/2005 8:54:34 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: reagan_fanatic

Jesus taught love, tolerance, forgiveness, charity and humility...

Except when he made a whip and got Medieval on the money chagers...


34 posted on 08/18/2005 8:54:57 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: airborne

The antiChrist (individual or in body of multiples) seeks to lead Christ's followers away from His teachings down a false path.

It doesn't surprise me that the left would hijack His name and pervert His message.


35 posted on 08/18/2005 8:54:58 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: jimmyray

And WHY would anyone believe anything like this?

Who are you trying to convince?


36 posted on 08/18/2005 8:55:38 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: against_kerry; Admin Moderator
Why did you post this twice? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465874/posts
37 posted on 08/18/2005 8:55:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: HarleyLady27

Preaching to the choir. ;-)


38 posted on 08/18/2005 8:57:01 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: RockinRight

In a sense Jesus was liberal in his time. But once the changes he brought about were implemented and his Church well-established (after His death of course), there's no doubt he would be conservative in preserving the very changes he brought about.

But to say which party Jesus would vote for in today's world is a stupid argument. He is above politics of our sort. Of course he would be against abortion, gay marriage, and censorship of religion, but there are quite a few "conservative values" that he would be against I am sure. As I said, He is above all that.

Sometimes I wish He would drop by (not for the last time!) and slap a few people around, make some of those deep intelligent thoughts He's so loved for, and set things right again.


40 posted on 08/18/2005 8:57:27 AM PDT by Zeppelin (If we lose the war on terror... http://www.ebaumsworld.com/waronterrorism.html)
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To: Mogollon

Liberals like Jesus all the way up to that "I am the way, the truth and the life NO MAN comes to the Father but by me". That kind of exclusive way to heaven really bothers the libs.
Liberals have a bible that could be defined as "selective reading texts".


41 posted on 08/18/2005 8:57:36 AM PDT by WoodstockCat (Gitmo? Let them eat Pork!)
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To: against_kerry
Here is another liberal for you. Hitler was a liberal too He was for Gun Control, high taxes, abortion and he was even a vegetarian and animal lover
42 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:13 AM PDT by DM1
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To: RockinRight
Endorse, no, but that doesn't mean Jesus wanted government to BAN him either.
I haven't seen the government closing down too many churches lately.

-Eric

43 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:29 AM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: WoodstockCat

Yep! Pray to God, and all is well. Pray to Jesus, or to God (same) in Jesus Name, and and you'll offend someone. Which God do these people pray to, anyway?


44 posted on 08/18/2005 9:00:34 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Motherbear

Republicans appear to be more generous than Democrats when donation rolls are examined.

Also charitable giving increased when taxes were cut in the 1980s.

What does "personally done" mean?

How does national health care equate to one individual doing ANYTHING except paying his mandated taxes?

Render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. We have to live under man's law but obey God's law.

Jesus would probably not have voted. Not to stay "impartial" but because He worked on a larger scale than government.

The left mapped out the Republican states after the 2004 election and called it Jesusland. Jesus knows no borders. Mohammed does though, there are references to "Islamic territory".


45 posted on 08/18/2005 9:01:48 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: Zeppelin

Someone here on FR had a tagline that was something along the lines of:

God is not a Republican. But he is definitely NOT a Democrat.


46 posted on 08/18/2005 9:02:27 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: jimmyray

Just some hucksterism to get some yellow dog democrats back on the plantation. They'll mock the superstious Christians behind closed doors.


47 posted on 08/18/2005 9:02:57 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: E Rocc

Um...well OK they haven't. But this hostility towards Christianity that is given off by the left certainly wouldn't make Jesus too happy.


48 posted on 08/18/2005 9:03:28 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: against_kerry

I also take issue with the headline.

I ALWAYS vote democratic(ally) for Republicans.

There is no Democratic party any more than there is a Republic party.


49 posted on 08/18/2005 9:03:57 AM PDT by weegee (The Rovebaiting by DUAC must stop. It is nothing but a partisan witchhunt.)
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To: against_kerry
"Love your creator, love yourself, love your neighbor as yourself."

Dear Reverend: Most conservatives would agree with you, however, the devil is afoot about the planet and his minions will not be appeased with "love". The "Almighty" Himself, has had to flood the entire planet and destroy two ancient cities to rid the world of sin. For the time being, mankind will need to understand that the United States is Noahs Ark until a peaceful world can be restored.

50 posted on 08/18/2005 9:04:11 AM PDT by elbucko
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