N.Y. Times continues to avoid TWA 800 connection (Richard Clarke & Jamie Gorelick)

World Net Daily ^ | 8/18/05 | Jack Cashill

[Marysecretary]

I heard that, too. Hmmm.

[Marysecretary]

My husband and I were talking about his legacy just yesterday. He says he was appalled at the President getting BJ's in the White House and I said, YEAH, IN OUR LIVING ROOM! She ruined her reputation as well. Now we all know what a "lewinsky" is!

[geege]

Fantastic Book....especially the ending....

[FreeAtlanta]

My fear has always been that it was a military accident and we covered it up. I can understand why it would be covered up. It would have been a disaster for our military.

Look at the reaction when we downed the Iranian passenger plane by accident, then figure the costs to re-imberse for this flight, as well as, law-suits, bad pr, firings, etc.

On the other hand, if it was a terrorist, then Bubba would have to explain how it happened, why he hadn't done anything to prevent it, and would have to do something other than lob a few cruise missiles at someone. He avoided the "big" issues as much as possible, and this might have been too big for him.

Somebody knows, and the truth - if it wasn't the fuel tank explosion - might someday come out. If the cover-up wasn't too thorough.

[OESY]

Before we get too far out on this limb, let's remember Iranians did take credit for downing TW 800. (I'll try to provide the reference cites later.) State-sponsored or not, short of war, it is still terrorism.

[Big E]

"I believe TWA 800 exploded on its own because my mind is being controlled by those black helicopters hovering above my house. Oh wait! Nevermind, that's a ceiling fan. "

I never used to believe in the black helicopter, Clinton era stuff either. Then I read Jayna Davis' book, "The Third Terrorist" about the OKC bombing. Davis was a local reporter for the local TV station. I was very surprised at the specific, overwhelming credible evidence it presented that a number of Islamic individuals were involved in the bombing, in addition to McVay. Evidence such as multiple eyewitness accounts, all of which were aired on her local OKC TV station.

I used to think there would be no way to coverup something that big, with so many FBI and military people involved. Just no way to keep all those people quiet. It dawned on me, though, it really isn't that hard, especially if all the people at the top of the coverup are on the same page.

If the Attorney General, or someone else high up in the DOJ says we're convinced that McVay's our man, shut down all other lines of inquiry and focus on the McVay angle, the rest of the FBI will fall in line. What choice do they have? Rogue FBI agents exist only in spy-ficition novels. Real FBI agents are government employees with families and pensions. If only one or two agents come out with information, they will easily be discredited and destroyed.

Besides, probably no one agent has enough information by himself to present a "smoking gun". He may have a piece of the puzzle, but not the whole thing. His piece of the puzzle might make you think, but not make you conclude there is a coverup. So he keeps what he knows to himself, and keeps his job. No, it would be pretty easy for the government leadership to twist an investigation the way they want it.

If the Clinton Justice Department covered up OKC, then they might very well have covered up TWA 800, and/or Vince Foster. I'm not sure about TWA 800 and Foster, merely because I haven't read enough evidence about those things. It certainly makes sense. Anything that could be termed as difficult, or politically unpopular, Clinton swept under the rug. This was his greatest failing, and why we must never let another Clinton in the White House.

[Marysecretary]

Osama.

[Marysecretary]

Geez, I spelled missiles wrong twice! Forgive me.

[Marysecretary]

Thanks!

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

Do you have a link to the Iranians taking "credit", which I missed? The Vincennes incident was not a deliberate attack on civilian aviation, and the U.S. Government offered compensation to the victims' families, actually the exact amount specified in the Warsaw Convention for aviation accidents. If the Iranians did that, it is an overt act of war and Congress should have declared war on Iran.

[Homer1]

from Wikipedia:

Immediately after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks in the United States, the United States government named bin Laden as the prime suspect. He claimed in an interview shortly after the attacks, "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks," and suggested the attacks were the fault of Jews or of the CIA. But in subsequent statements and interviews he expressed admiration for whoever was responsible. He took credit for "inspiring" what he calls the "blessed attacks" of September 11th in several public statements.

Per Wikipedia, He only says that the attackers were inspired by his Jihadic message. Not that he planned, funded and organized the attack.

[aviator]

I'm not familiar with aviation practices, but you are saying can't be true. Even your car has a pressurized fuel tank, and for good reason. Otherwise all that would be left after a few months of non-use would be a sludgy-sticky liquid that would clog the injectors. Pour a little gasoline in an open dish and leave it outside, in the shade, for a few hours to see for yourself. An unpressurized fuel tank at 30,000 feet would lose many of the key fuel ingredients within a few minutes, leaving behind a low grade fuel. I’m not a chemical engineer either, but my guess would be that the fuel would be closer to a diesel fuel grade (energy wise) after an hour or two at 30-35,000 feet than even a gasoline grade, and certainly not something that would burn efficiently in a jet engine. It probably would clog the fuel system even before it got to the engine itself. Bottom line, the tanks are probably pressurized to at least sea level. It would be helpful to get someone with aircraft experience to chime in.

Hmmm....please note my tagline of Aviator. I have been flying professionally for 35 years. Since you are not familiar with aviation practices and you are not a chemical engineer, you are indeed shooting in the dark.

[OESY]

FROM A WORLD NET DAILY ARTICLE IN 2003:


Kenneth Timmerman, author of the eye-opening new book "Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War on America" (Crown Forum), reported that sources (sic) "contacted him with a warning. He told Timmerman that the intelligence service of Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps was planning an attack on an American airliner. The source, who was living in exile, was himself a former member of the Iranian military with access to Iranian intelligence circles. He had been vetted by several U.S, intelligence agencies and found credible."

THE ACCOUNT CONTINUES:

Two weeks later, the source repeated the warning. Although his information was not precise, he believed that the targeted flight would originate in Athens – as TWA Flight 800 actually did – but he made no mention of missiles and implied that a bomb would be planted on board.

For his part, Timmerman was concerned enough to contact a friend who worked in counter-terrorism at the State Department, and the friend was concerned enough to bring in the FAA. As far as Timmerman knows, nothing came of this warning.

About a week later, or about a week before the destruction of TWA Flight 800, Timmerman's source contacted him with an "urgent" warning. This time, he said, the attack was "imminent." Timmerman alerted a well-placed friend who set up an emergency meeting with a deputy director of operations for the CIA. On this occasion, Timmerman provided the CIA with a written summary of the warnings to date.

Timmerman believes that his warnings were ignored. Indeed, within a week of the meeting, TWA Flight 800 was blown out of the sky. After that tragic event, another Timmerman source – this one from inside the American intelligence community – confirmed that Timmerman's report to the CIA "jibed completely" with what the source and his colleagues had been hearing as well, namely an imminent "Iranian attack on an American airliner."

Timmerman was dismayed to hear the Clinton administration claim that it had received "no warning" prior to the plane's destruction. It had likely received several, some possibly more specific than the one he offered.

As I told Timmerman, I am not sure his warnings were ignored. In our book "First Strike: TWA Flight 800 and the Attack on America," James Sanders and I document at least six highly credible sightings of a U.S. Navy cruiser or cruisers prowling up and down the coast of Long Island on that fateful July 17. Even those who had been vacationing on Long Island for years had never seen anything like this before. It has been argued that these cruisers were on some sort of training exercise, but "training" may well have provided the cover for a more substantive mission, just two days before the start of the Atlanta Olympics.

In "First Strike," Sanders and I make the case that the mode of attack was a small plane, perhaps a business-class jet, filled with explosives. If we are correct in this deduction, it might explain why missile-bearing cruisers and U.S. Navy submarines were tracking the JFK flight path off the south coast of Long Island. As Timmerman allowed, "Maybe they did take my warnings seriously."

If Iranian intelligence planned the attack, there is still some question as to who executed it. The fact that the plane was destroyed on July 17 adds a rogue variable to the equation. This past July 17 the major media made no mention of the Flight 800 anniversary, but they did call attention to the fact that the date was posted prominently in public places throughout Iraq. It was – I should say "had been" – Iraq's National Liberation Day, the day the Baath Party took power 35 years earlier, and these are a date-conscious people...."

Were Mecca to be bombed on the 4th of July, the disinterested observer would logically conclude that either the USA was responsible or that some provocateur did it to implicate the U.S. The same holds true with the destruction of TWA Flight 800 on July 17. The odds are strong that either Iraq was involved or that the Iranians timed the attack to shift the blame to Iraq. In either case, the timing is not likely to have been coincidental....


-- Source: Iran Responsible for TWA 800 Tragedy?, by Jack Cashill, WorldNetDaily.com, November 15, 2003 http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/Iran%20Responsible%20for%20TWA%20800.htm



NOTE: I also recall that a group of Iranians claimed credit after the downing, which cite I am still working on.

Meanwhile, here's an interview between Peter Jennings and Former CIA Director Adm. James WoolseyABC News Special Report: America Under Attack, 9/11/01

Also, check out this timeline summary: Strike One - Khobar Towers, Strike Two - TWA 800

Finally, Another look at Flight 800, By Ken Hamblin, June 09, 2002,
which concludes:

And according to a recent Associated Press article:

"On the heels of the release of Accuracy in Media's award-winning documentary, 'TWA 800: The Search for the Truth,' FIRO, the TWA Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization, has petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board to reconsider its decision on what caused the plane to crash."

Attachment II of the FIRO's lengthy petition to the NTSB notes an analysis of radar data by an FBI consultant - who concluded that a component of the plane was blown out of its right side as soon as electric power was lost.

That component was the first part of the aircraft to hit the water, a quarter of a mile closer to the shore than the next closest part.

FIRO concluded: "This cannot be explained by the NTSB's fuel-tank explosion theory."

Another point made by those senior Iranian sources in 1996 was how the missiles in question arrived in the United States reportedly seven months prior to the attack on Flight 800. The sources said they were shipped via Rotterdam and on to the Canadian port of Halifax from Karachi, Pakistan, our new ally.

The Iranians said an Egyptian fundamentalist group backed by Iran was responsible for smuggling the weapons across the Canadian border into the United States.

Just maybe my initial instincts after the crash of TWA 800 weren't so far off, after all.

And just maybe our perceived meekness and seeming willingness to negotiate with the radical Muslims who hate us even when a loaded gun is held to our heads may, in fact, be the shortest path to our own destruction.

[KC_Conspirator]

I have met Cashil numerous times and I like him. He's smart and he's fun. However, I grow tired of his conspiracy nonsense. I heard him say that a small propellor plane was flown into Flight 900, this on the heels of his pathetic defense of the Slepian killer.

[The Sons of Liberty]

I always thought John Doe #2 looked like Padilla, but I didn't know McVeigh had a wife, much less one named Padilla!

[trubluolyguy]

This surprises who?

[Marysecretary]

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that but then, what do I know, sitting in my comfy office here at the university?

[Balding_Eagle]

Hmmm....please note my tagline of Aviator. I have been flying professionally for 35 years. Since you are not familiar with aviation practices and you are not a chemical engineer, you are indeed shooting in the dark.

OK, I make this a direct question, since (in spite of my lack of degrees) I am will to go out on a limb and state that I am positve you are wrong.

My question: Do the fuel tanks on the large airplanes (737 747 etc) operate at whatever elevation pressure the plane happens to be at?

By way of refinement, when the plane is on the runway in LA what is the internal pressure of the tank relative to the outside air pressure? When that same plane climbs to an altitude of 35,000 feet, what is the pressure of the tank, relative to the outside air pressure at 35,000 feet?

[Balding_Eagle]

Only if the outside temp is warmer than the inside temp.

Your lack of common experience is showing. Give me a day or two (like most I have a life out FR) an I'll have a more technical answer.

[moehoward]

I fueled commercial jets for years to pay my way through college.

Your right I have no "common experience".