Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15

Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

[TexKat]

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

another rizzo thread.....this one pertains to Natalee

View Thread : Ernie Rizzo working for the VDS family

http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-27094

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

whoops.....the link above breaks into that thread as a supplement.....here is the link to the start of it, along with the first post:

Ernie Rizzo working for the VDS family

08-01-2005, 05:27 PM
lisafremont
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Ernie Rizzo working for the VDS family

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Oy vey! This is the same guy who was convinced that SP couldn't be guilty because he couldn't have dumped Laci's body off the Gamefisher. And to prove it he created that hilarious little video with his son pretending to try to toss his wife from a boat, a boat without an engine and smaller than the Gamefisher. It was just ludicrous and on a par with Geragos' demo.

Ernie believes his clients are innocent. His explanation for all the story changes? "Panic."
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Last edited by lisafremont : 08-01-2005 at 07:33 PM.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27094

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

RIZZO is a Shi'ite ball.....perfect for PVDS and aruba at the same time.......

[monkeywrench]

Yuck, he's a piece of work! He isn't very effective at sliming the Twittys.

[Dante3]

Rizzo appeared either on Catherine Crier or Nancy Grace (or both) and stated that Joran has only one lawyer, that the lies do not mean anything because the boys panicked. And all along he had a smirk on his face.

I cold be wrong but didn't Rizzo surface in the Scott Peterson case and make a big do it was not possible for Scott to have thrown Laci off the boat?

[ZOTnot]

Is Michael Schiavo Dutch?

Or his lawyers?

Or the judges in the case?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

no.....they are Scientologists......Florida is their Mecca.

[Rusty Roberts]

Anything is possible, but I am convinced that once the people in power decided there would be no official protest on the American media, I do feel other approaches were stepped up: Internet forums # 1 source of disinformation.

Right now, I'm waiting and watching several things over there, but there seem to be some strong people overall who will not be run over.

Some attempts at disinformation is very subtle, using slight variations on what we know to be true.

I'd heard so much here about so many of these posts, I had hoped I could just read without registering, but unfortunately, that is not the case.

Still, who knows, maybe something will spur an idea? But I am well aware of the Internet and we know not who is behind the keyboard.

The curious thing about BonDia is that one day they say they are a group, the next, they are one person? Believe what I say today, or yesterday?

I haven't had near enough time to learn the players at SM...and that's what I consider the difference: at SM, many are playing while at FR most are researching and doing their best to theorize and work on possibilities of what happened 5/29-30 to Natalee in Aruba.

[monkeywrench]

Yes, he did. He's such a liar. Check the links Vn put up. Nasty piece of work.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

speaking of Scientologists, they are trying to recruit the queen of the stepford lefties:


Tom wants Oprah
By Geoffrey Wansell
20aug05
YOU could argue that she is the most influential woman in America, not least because her daily television program reaches into the living room of almost every home in the US.

Television insiders insist she can single-handedly turn books into bestsellers and mere celebrities into megastars. But now, glamorous talk show host Oprah Winfrey has become the target of the controversial Church of Scientology.

The campaign is being led by its most famous disciple, 43-year-old Tom Cruise, who is doing everything in his considerable power to convert her to the cultish faith. Cruise recently bought a house two doors away from Oprah in the glamorous suburb of Santa Barbara, California. The two are close friends. Winfrey regularly sings Cruise's praises on her show, and it was there that he chose to make his first public declaration of love for his new fiancee, 26-year-old Katie Holmes, in a toe-curling spectacle.

But the wooing of Oprah Winfrey to the Scientology cause has not been left to Cruise alone.

Fellow Scientologist and Pulp Fiction star John Travolta, 51, whom she also repeatedly favours on her television program, recently presented her with a $700,000 Bentley car for her birthday.

Oprah would be a huge catch for the Scientologists, one internet site announced this week, and you can almost see Cruise's eyes gleaming at the prospect. Another adds: "If Oprah falls into the hands of Scientology, who can tell what influence she might have on the population? The prospect is terrifying."

snipped.....this is a lengthy and informative article @

http://www.ntnews.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,16328380%255E10431,00.html

[theophilusscribe]

I'm Right, You're Wrong, Any Questions?
Nice shirt, Joran. NOT!

Quote Of The Week:

"I mean, the guy is certainly arrogant. We all know he lied. I don`t think that they`re ever going to crack this case. He`s not going to have a "Telltale Heart" moment because I don`t think the kid has a conscience." - Former Federal Prosecutor Wendy Murphy

http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/

[theophilusscribe]

Phone calls:
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

5/30/2005
3:00 AM (?) = There may have been a phone call made from a landline or cellular phone in ARUBA, to Alabama. Apparently the phone call was recorded because a State Trooper listened to the call, and CHARLES CROES stated that it was replayed for him several times at 11:30 PM on 5-30 (supposedly the call was received/recorded by/on a cellular phone of an "Mountain Brook High School" male; possibly an "Mountain Brook High School" male who was on the ARUBA trip) Of this, supposed, phone call, DAN RIEHL wrote on 7-16.…

“Conversation and confusion continue around what, if any cell phone calls may have been placed that night, not simply between the suspects, but possibly between the suspects, and / or Natalee and other parties and trip attendees from Mountain Brook High School.

While I will continue to post what I have learned from speaking with reliable sources with a genuine or direct knowledge of events, I must also continue to caution readers that accumulating one larger more solid truth from reading the grains of sand that can be provided by a group of teenagers more caught up in this tragedy than observers must be read in context.

Clearly a combination of factors including - some individuals state of mind that night and after wards; an obvious over-indulgence in alcohol and possibly drugs, including Ecstasy by some in attendance at Carlos and Charlies; a necessarily secretive investigation and a desire by some to not discuss certain events that 1) may not sit well with family and friends and 2) may not always be remembered clearly due to the haze of partying, all combine to confound the unraveling of the mystery behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

As regards phone calls what I have learned from a reliable source is that at least two calls are said to have been placed by individuals on Aruba during the late night hours of the first evening of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. The calls were missed, either because phones were deactivated, or because of the poor performance of certain cell phones on the island of Aruba.

One male, said to be a close friend of Natalee Holloway discovered a message as he was riding home to Mountain Brook on a bus with other students and some chaperones. While I'm unable to verify the originating number of the call, I've been told it was not thought to be the cell phone of Natalee Holloway.

The message could not be clearly made out by ear and was characterized as being garbled "Aruban" voices. The call is said to have been originated in the "middle of the night" on the first evening of Natalee's disappearance.

A second "missed call" message is said to have been discovered by a female friend and possible vacation roommate of Natalee Holloway while flying home with the group from Aruba. The two groups of students mentioned were on separate flights.

As reported earlier, it is has been said that the remaining chaperone did use Natalee Holloway's cell phone the next day to reach her friends for more information that might have helped in finding Natalee early on in her disappearance. While that timing suggests the second call could have been placed by the chaperone, one source insists the missed call message was time stamped at 4 AM the previous night. That information has not been corroborated.

Attempts to clarify the circumstances surrounding Natalee's cell phone usage for the trip, specifically did she rent an alternate cell phone, as is common practice for some while visiting Aruba, were met with a no comment from one likely phone provider.

It is possible she had an additional phone resulting in some confusion as to where her cell phone was at any point in time. Also, the time stamp of the missed call from her phone could have been misinterpreted or reported incorrectly from the owner of the phone. It is assumed that authorities have verified those issues.

In the first instance above the young man notified a chaperone upon receiving the phone message and students quickly began to surmise that cell phones and any possible messages could become relevant to any potential investigation. I've been told that at that point most if not all phones were switched off and handed in, presumably to be handed over to investigating authorities.

I have no information as regards other possible phone messages left with anyone linked to this case.”

2:00-12:30 PM = Someone phones NATALEE’s brother in Alabama and tells him NATALEE is missing. Her brother phones NATALEE’s mother, BETH HOLLOWAY-TWITTY. BETH was on her way home from a family reunion in Arkansas with 2 friends (MARYLIN and LINDA; they had just filled-up their car with gasoline near Memphis, TN). BETH is sitting in the car back seat when she first receives a phone call on her cellular phone and is told that her daughter had not shown up in the “Holiday Inn” lobby where the students were told to gather before proceeding to the airport. BETH described how “within three seconds” she intuitively felt that NATALEE had been kidnapped. BETH based her mother’s intuition of knowing her daughter very well, and completely understanding that her daughter is “meticulous” and “very scheduled, organized and punctual” for pre-scheduled events. BETH said, “NATALEE has never been late for nothing. Nothing.” (NATALEE’s Aunt, LINDA ALLISON, and several others, have also detailed NATALEE being very organized, is very punctual, and regularly plans events ahead of time)

NOTE…. The very first bulletins that the TWITTY’s had printed up for family distributions all around ARUBA were printed in large red letters which read at the top “MISSING” (According to BETH on 7-22 to “FoxNews,” on 6-1 it was changed to “KIDNAPPED”)

BETH has described that she immediately felt that “NATALEE had been ripped from her life.”

At the point that BETH received the phone call, BETH and her friends were about 4.0 to 4.5 hours of normal driving speed from being home. (BETH had planned to be at the airport to help pickup the students at about 10 PM when they landed)

BETH is told that NATALEE did not make the plane departure and the chaperone who remained in ARUBA with several “Mountain Brook” students have not seen her anywhere around/in “Holiday Inn.”

BETH also learns that NATALEE was last seen with a DUTCH tourist boy staying at the “Holiday Inn” who was a tall, dark-haired, foreign exchange student boy outside of "Carlos 'n Charlies" at about 1:00 AM, and NATALEE was last seen getting into a small, silver or gray car with tinted windows and an oversized muffler.

After receiving the initial phone call, BETH and the 2 friends are upset and have to stop driving briefly. BETH then decides she will drive the car. Before realizing it she is driving at speeds of 110-120 MPH for the next 2.5 hours. While driving she calls 9-1-1 and tells them, “My daughter has been kidnapped in ARUBA. I need help.” She gets stopped by a highway patrolman state trooper and, obviously upset, simply explains to him “My daughter has been kidnapped in ARUBA. I need help.” She, supposedly, had the state trooper listen via her cell phone to a phone call recorded in Birmingham sometime in the last 24 hours. After listening to the recorded phone call, the trooper immediately contacts and notifies the UNITED STATES F.B.I. The state trooper then provides BETH and her friends an escort to Birmingham.

__:__ PM (?) = chaperone uses NATALEE’s cellular phone and tries to call or contacts her friends that are bookmarked into her cellular phone. When chaperone speaks with them he learns more details about the DUTCH foreign exchange student tourist boy and when NATALEE was last seen. The chaperone asks around the “Holiday Inn” and its “Excelsior Casino” about the DUTCH foreign exchange student tourist boy staying at the “Holiday Inn” and the chaperone is told to also speak to taxi drivers. When the taxi drivers are spoken to, one of the taxi drivers identifies Main Suspect J. SLOOT and Main Suspect J. SLOOT’s parents by name, and that Main Suspect J. SLOOT is known to frequent casinos, sometime with Current Suspect P. SLOOT.

__:__ PM (?) = A mutual friend between the TWITTY’s and CHARLES CROES then telephones CROES. CROES owns a cellular phone rental company in ARUBA. The friend contacts CROES hoping that a phone call that they thought to have been made from ARUBA to Alabama in the early morning hours of 5-30 was made with one of CROES cellular phones. (is this the supposed 3:00 AM phone call made from ARUBA to Alabama????) The friend tells CROES that the TWITTY’s are in ARUBA and CROES says he will meet them right away and help the TWITTY’s however he can. They agree to meet at a gas station. CROES takes a kid he knows with him and they depart for the gas station.

11:30 PM = The TWITTY’s, G. Ruffner PAGE Jr., JODY BEARMAN, the chaperone, the UNITED STATES D.E.A. agent, the UNITED STATES F.B.I. Agent, and the CROESES/TWITTY’s mutual friends meet CHARLES CROES and a kid who knows CROES at a “Valero” gas station near the airport. They all talk about what is known. BETH tells CROES that NATALEE was last seen with a boy portraying himself as a DUTCH foreign exchange student who was a tourist staying at the “Holiday Inn.“ BETH describes the boy as tall, dark-haired, and he was last seen with NATALEE outside of "Carlos 'n Charlies" at about 1:00 AM, and that NATALEE was last seen getting into a small, silver or gray car with tinted windows and an oversized muffler with the same boy. BETH tells CROES about a phone call received in the UNITED STATES, reportedly received in Alabama, and was recorded. (the 3:00 AM phone call, supposedly, from ARUBA to Alabama?) Apparently someone (BETH?, JUG?, and/or other?) has reason(s) to believe the phone call was made from a cellular phone. (who do they think made the call--they obviously know who received the call) (caller may have even stated it was from a cellular phone) BETH calls someone in the USA (where? Alabama?), and the recorded phone call is repeatedly played for CROES and he listens to it replayed several times. After listening to this phone call several times, they talk and immediately agree to go to the “Holiday Inn.”

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

Geez, the way this is written, the field is wide open to any number of wild theories.

I must admit that I cannot imagine how this will end.

[truthluva]

And wild theories abound!

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

RIZZO will haxe a blast with the piece above.....there is more latitude in it for his kind of tricks than anything I've seen so far.

[truthluva]

I think you are right...he and PVDS are two of a kind if you ask me.

[theophilusscribe]

I cannot imagine how this will end.

Who can?

[Dolphy]

Who do you figure is paying for Rizzo? Surely PVDS doesn't have the money and JVDS isn't a celebrity or politician trying to protect his standing. To me he's there to protect Aruba...but for who?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"Surely PVDS doesn't have the money"

I don't have any reason to believe that.....here is why

PVDS has been a lawyer in the employ of the Dutch Govt living and working in whatever his true capacity has been in the Justice dept living on aruba for 15 years running. I suspect that whatever games he has been into through the occupational and criminal contacts has been far more lucrative than the salary of a "judge". Further, a judges actions are recorded, and ultimately revealed on the record, whereas pretrial deals, favors, bakshish etc are easier to obscure pretrial, as we are seeing now. I don't think he ever wanted to be a judge.....but had to go through the motions to not attract the attention of honest folks in the Dutch system, thus the repeated failure of the exam or whatever.....the "failure" as reported in the media diverts attention from his real activities in aruba, as well as the characters under the rocks in his legal dealings during the last 15 years, which as we know includes people such as van der Straaten, and maybe eveb Karin Jansen. If one notes the transformation of the aruba of 15+ years ago to what it is today, there has been lots and lots of opportunity to assist the bad guys as well as know them and dabble in some of their crimes and perversions for fun and profit.

Beginning to get my drift? (I am, LOL)

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

P,S,

Maybe we should try to discover exactly what his position has been and what were his duties and responsibilities.....and what sort of cases he has had influence or decision/recommendation authority in.....to include specific cases......its always a follow the money affair. PVDS has not even begun to recieve the scrutiny he warrants, all things considered......but I don't have a clue of how to begin to do it.....I just hope the FBI can and is......