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This is huge and long overdue. Consistently applied, this could have sweeping ramifications for the.

There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion. Atheism is indeed a religion or worldview. It is our unofficial state religion, in fact, if recent court rulings on the Ten Commandments, sodomy, and partial-birth abortion are any indication. It has gotten a free ride on the religion train for far too long.

1 posted on 08/20/2005 12:11:12 AM PDT by Lexinom
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Correction:

Consistently applied, this could have sweeping ramifications for future court decisions, sans utilitarian motives rooted in a desire to continue underwriting the sexual revolution of the 1960's.


2 posted on 08/20/2005 12:12:45 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

If athiesm is a religion, does the banning of Christian and Jewish symbols (such as Nativity displays, the Menorah, and the Ten Commandments) from public places constitute an unconstitutional endorsement by the State of athiesm as a religion.


3 posted on 08/20/2005 12:17:17 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Carry_Okie

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7 posted on 08/20/2005 12:27:26 AM PDT by FOG724 (RINOS - they are not better than leftists, they ARE leftists.)
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To: Lexinom
Let me get this straight. The acknowledgment and worship of a higher power, a religion, is against the "doctrine" of the separation of church and state. Well then if atheism is now a "religion" then they are to be separated from the state as well. Humm, not a bad decision, can you say "level playing field"?
8 posted on 08/20/2005 12:31:46 AM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: Lexinom

Ok, but is agnosticm a religion?


9 posted on 08/20/2005 12:36:32 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent (That's great. What?)
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To: Lexinom

Obviously the thing that would be nice to know is what is the court's definition of religion.


10 posted on 08/20/2005 12:53:24 AM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: Lexinom
I'm confused; atheism (a-theos = without God) is a religion? Then there's Islam, a prejudiced and bloody cult of crazed tyrants, butchers and murderers that is also counted as a religion. This, inspite of it's malevolent creed that requires the conversion or overthrow of every religion in the world. Witchcraft is also called a 'religion', and the U.S. military is required to provide its adherents with 'witch chaplains'.

So anti-religion is now a religion, while true religion is adjudicated dangerous to the public and ordered to keep itself confined inside Church walls or inside the privacy of the home, where it can't offend the sensitivities of those other 'religions', atheism and Islam.

My brain hurts, I'm going to bed.

15 posted on 08/20/2005 1:11:59 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
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A great big PING!
24 posted on 08/20/2005 1:33:46 AM PDT by Lexinom
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If the courts start treating atheism and secular humanism as a religion, its going to be interesting to watch the ACLU switch grounds in arguing liberal philosophies need a place in the public square.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
31 posted on 08/20/2005 1:58:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Lexinom

If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.


37 posted on 08/20/2005 2:11:21 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: Lexinom; Dawsonville_Doc; dyed_in_the_wool

About damned time.

While I have a great deal of sympathy for those who are quietly, personally atheistic (who say, simply, "I believe in no gods")... I have a great deal of antipathy for those who are loudly, abrasively, stridently, militantly Atheistic (who go well beyond reason to assert "There ARE no gods, and if you believe otherwise you are an idiot undeserving of a public voice").

These latter have made a mill of using the "I'm offended" card, churning out ludicrous suits and court rulings attacking the Christian foundation of this Republic, and in effect instituting the establishment of a State religion of Atheistic Secularism.

This new ruling may prove of use in ending these shenanigans.

About DAMNED time, too.


38 posted on 08/20/2005 2:12:41 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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51 posted on 08/20/2005 2:39:51 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Brian Fahling, senior trial attorney for the American Family Association Center for Law & Policy, called the court's ruling "a sort of Alice in Wonderland jurisprudence." "Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion," said Fahling.

Atheism is a purely faith-based belief about the nature and existence of a supreme being, and as such qualifies as a religion. I have made this point many times on FR.

57 posted on 08/20/2005 3:04:46 AM PDT by Maceman (Pro Se Defendant from Hell)
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72 posted on 08/20/2005 5:06:58 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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Athiesm is a "religion" only if you completely ignore the intent of the Founders in the Declaration of Independence and the Framers in the Constitution.

Declaring athiesm a "religion" is a classical instance of a narrow group seeking to project its views backward upon those who founded and created this nation and framed the principles that are supposed to be its guide.

Adherence to this view by an isolated elite such as much of our legal establishment has become reflects a frightening insularity on the part of that legal elite that was never intended to be by our Founders and Framers.

74 posted on 08/20/2005 5:23:37 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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"This is huge and long overdue. Consistently applied, this could have sweeping ramifications for the. There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion. Atheism is indeed a religion or worldview. It is our unofficial state religion, in fact, if recent court rulings on the Ten Commandments, sodomy, and partial-birth abortion are any indication. It has gotten a free ride on the religion train for far too long."

It's ridiculous! There's no such thing as Leprechans either. Next thing you know the cons will be demanding study groups for tail worship and demand taxpayer supplied porn icons. The only good that could come out of this, is if they note the courthouse is w/o icons and close the damn thing down, because it's an atheist symbol.

76 posted on 08/20/2005 5:39:50 AM PDT by spunkets
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This is huge and long overdue. Consistently applied, this could have sweeping ramifications for the.

I agree. This is a huge thing. Sometimes I wonder, why do we have to single out religion from other 'philosophies'? Afterall, religion with its doctrine, claim to knowledge, ideals, etc., is a philosophy. Yet, the relationship between religion and state must be regulated while relationships between other philosophies and state are not. If the answer simply based on some bad experiences in the past (16-17th century AD), it's really give too much privilege to a period of time.

In the 20th century (as well as the 21th), it's obvious that other philosophies have created similar troubles--if not more: how many people died from the idea of facism, communism, nazism? Similarly, of course, many people also died from certain religions.

So, why does the Constitution still only has a clause that is against a philosophy, that is, religion? Perhaps it's time to get rid that part of Constitution, by having another amandment?

80 posted on 08/20/2005 5:50:01 AM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: Lexinom

A lot of room for thought in this...

Sounds a lot like Orwell's 1984 ("War is Peace", etc.)

Is secularism a form of religion ("Worship of the state")?

Can PETA supporters be characterized as animal worshipers?

Can Sierra Club be characterized as nature worshipers?

They already enjoy some of the benefits of religions in that they don't pay taxes, but none of the restrictions in that they are able to actively advocate and support political positions.

This could really be a change in how many institutions and organizations are classified. Don't think that was what this court intended but the genie may be out of the box now...


83 posted on 08/20/2005 6:17:05 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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Yes, of course! "No religion" = "religion"! Obviously! And...

"No understanding" = "understanding"
"No faith" = "faith"
"No reason" = "reason"
"No X" = "X"
"No air" = "air"
"No life" = "life"
"No brain" = "brain"
"No child" = "child"
"No God" = "God"

Wow! Your new logic opens up a whole new world of nonsense!! I'm so excited about this revelation!

89 posted on 08/20/2005 7:29:27 AM PDT by beavus (Hussein's war. Bush's response.)
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There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion.

Sure there is: Agnosticism. But you are certainly correct that atheism is a religious belief.

96 posted on 08/20/2005 8:36:38 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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