And thanks to several fellow FReepers (especially ForGod'sSake, squantos and tet68) for a correction and especially kind comments on the original post. :)
BTTT, ping!
Ain't that the truth!
The Indians didn't have a legal system or property rights (territorial rights maybe) such as the Europeans brought with them, but an awful lot of them let us know we were not welcome with bows and arrows and then rifles and ammunition they traded or confiscated on raids.
We just came and took over the whole Northern and Southern Hempspheres. We had superior force and won. Nevertheless, we "invaded" the New World with shipload after shipload of unwelcome immigrants as far as most of the natives were concerned.
They did help Massachusetts Bay Colony settlers survive the first winter, but relations tended to go downhill shortly after that. Skirmishes led to the Pequot and subsequent wars and injustices against the Indians. Were they right in defending their territory?
We had the might, did that make it right?
I give that one the "Oscar Wilde 'wish-I-had-said-that...' award."
"My entire purpose in creating this hypothetical example is to suggest simply that I believe there is a fundamental, nuts-and-bolts solution to the crisis represented by the exodus of illegals coming across our southern border. And I also believe that the financial cost of such a common sense solution would be nowhere near as prohibitive as the financial cost of continuing to support (and now actually cater to, at the cost of our own freedoms) non-citizens who have committed a crime simply by being here in the first place."
For those who've done nothing but demand a "solution, " I say HEAR HEAR! Please submit your post to various newspaper ed-ops and politicians if possible.
But then again, our major politicians appear to have an agenda that supercedes our national interests.
"Back in 1999, Claire Wolfe observed in her book, ‘ 101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution’:
‘America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. '
" Considering the atrocities (both by neglect and by overt action) committed by our government in the six years since Claire penned that thought, I can’t help but wonder whether we have been pushed significantly closer to the revolution she envisioned in those last three words."
Many of us have been flabbergasted and shocked at what a GOP dominated gub'mint has NOT done to preserve American sovereignty, promote conservatism, and reverse and cripple the momentum of leftist policies implimented by Democrats since 1965.
America, 1773?
Let me put it this way: There're a few more boils that need to be removed ;-)
At which time THE question is (rubbing chin) -- when and what will be the "last straw"?
Thank you for pinging me, joanie-f. Great article! You and others like you are why I signed onto FR.
Inconsequential compared to the $800 Billion that illegal immigrants contribute to the GDP according to last month's Business Week, or for example $16 Billion to Southern Nevada alone.
Nor would it stop the ones who enter from the Northern border. Nor would it stop the ones who enter vis boats along the 97,000 miles of shoreline and inland waterways. Nor would it stop the drug traffickers who fly small planes into the hundreds of dirt landing strips in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
And even if your wall worked for the 2,000 mile Mexican border, it would have no impact whatsoever on the entry of the majority of illegals.
But your wall would not work. See next post.
This event is an absolute travest IMHO. I don't care if the illegals were "meek and mild" about how they broke our law. These landowners have every right to try and prevent that illegality and tresspass on their property, and to defend said property.
For those same illegals to be able to sue in American court and come away with the landowner's land is an outrage. It will encourage more to do the same and to in fact precipitate such events in the future.
The smugness of the SPLC lawyers and others in this horrible precedent will only fuel more of the same and a corresponding increase in resistance from people who will refuse to be driven from their land by this wave of illegal immigration and the socio-globalist/marxist who abett it.
I say this to their smugness...be careful, you know not what seeds you sow. Honest, hard-working, land-owning Americans will only be pushed so far...as is evidencd through our long history. Life, liberty and land ownership were the original three unalienable rights enumerated in the original Declaration of Indpendence...and along with those comes the right to defend them...with our very lives if necessary.
Continue to push this...smug lawyers, ACLU, politicians, etc. at your own eventual peril. That is not a personal threat to any person or place...it is simply a statment of the real, abject lessons of history. Lessons if one does not learn from, they are very apt to repeat.
Sam Adams...great beer(that's what most Americans would say)
All kidding aside Id fear that soon there is going to an act so brutal perpatrated by an illegal that the citizen response is going to be violent and ugly. The government will then, finally, step in. To stop the American citizens and help the illegals.
Folks, this is eventually going to lead to either closed borders or open rebellion. Wether that rebellion takes the form of political rebellion(throw the bums out) or a shoot first and bury 'em in the desert rebellion....is really up to the people currently in charge of this fiasco. But if it comes down to it, how many have the "stones?"
Any Sam Adams' out there?
In regards to a wall. On Friday, during the round table portion of Special Report, one of the regulars -don't know his name , he's the one in the wheelchair- said that if Mexico was a communist state there would be no question that a wall would be in place to keep them out.
He is right.
You can bet the farm that the same Republicans that claim a wall is ineffective at keeping Illegal Aliens out would claim it integral in keeping out Communists.
We must accept the reality that America's most debauched and shameless city, Washington D.C. is filled with traitors. We the voters, are 100% liable for the consequences of their actions. Why do we permit such anti-Americanism from our legislators? There are those who are purposefully trying to sabotage our Bill of Rights and the US Constitution who will be running for re-election in 2006. Are we going to re-elect traitors?
Anti-Americans are beginning to make progress in terms of their political participation in the mainstream. President Bush's averts his gaze concerning the costs and damage from the illegal aliens. Our kids think that we have put them on the "Road to Nowhere" as they watch their classrooms and playgrounds fill with illegal Hispanics.
Last week, one of my daughters burst out with a line that I never expected from a 25 year old female who doesn't profess an interest in politics and has turned a deaf ear to political talk radio shows. "President Bush, the President Clinton appointee, has declared all true expressions of patriotism in the Oval Office to be rude and unacceptable."
She is convinced that the aversions to enforcing the U.S. Code provisions regarding deportations and these backdoor amnesty Bills boil down to financial contributions. We can afford the fiscal and social costs of this recolonization if we are willing to give up our pride of being Americans. She was the one who explained to me about our national pride being taken by unreasonable search and seizure. Here I thought it was my responsibility to raise and supervise her. Thankfully her reluctance to government indoctrination remains strong. I'm certain she's on a list of being in alliance with a radical, her Dad.
I think we need some brand new representatives whose promince is in the publically announced reintroduction of an endangered species, true Americans. I will support people who have read and understand Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. Men and women who are willing to put America first. I am against voting for anyone seeking re-election in 2006. They denied themselves that opportunity by not introducing honest Bills to secure the borders during their past term in office.
Senators and Congressmen currently in office.
You have become irrelevant due to your inactions. Your support for state-funded educational, medical and welfare services for illegal alien criminals is a crime within itself. Your regection of the Ten Commandments is disgusting and dishonorable to people in your position. Your acceptance of the eminent domain decision is true sabotage to the citizens. It is the biggest threat to America I have ever seen and I will not tolerate you anymore.
I don't believe it is necessary to have blood in the streets to change our leaders and I do believe it should be done as soon as possible.
‘America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.'
That day is rapidily advancing because of the sincere inaction in Washington D.C. and our state capitols.
You wrote:
Now take the estimated $25 billion dollar per year to the taxpayer cost of illegal immigration and subtract the $3.2 billion cost of an Israeli-like security wall running along the entire border and the $400 million cost of guard stations positioned every half mile along that wall, the $42 million training costs, and the $1.26 billion in guard salaries and we are left with $20.1 billion dollars (a full 80% of the figure with which we started) - which could be used for maintenance purposes, insurance, utility costs, additional equipment, etc, with a sizable surplus left over.We could take part of the surplus and strengthen and fully implement the existing SAVE program along with tough, ENFORCED legislation that features fines and significant jail time for businesses who hire Criminal Aliens.
Preventing border access via your ideas and removing the number one reason the Criminal Aliens come here (a job) would, IMHO, clear up the problem once and for all.
I welcome constructive criticisms.
If I remember correctly, the tyranny leading to the American Revolution grew over a twenty or thirty year period, while the patience of the colonists was being stretched to its breaking point. Likewise, the tensions leading to the Civil War grew over a thirty year period, dating back to 1828, with the "tariff of abomination."
In both of those cases, thousands of reasonable law-abiding citizens worked through their existing systems for one and a half generations, trying to correct their situations in a relatively peaceful and civilized manner. Yet the result of both those periods was warfare, with much death and destruction. Had not WW-II unified the country against common external enemies and pulled us out of the Depression, we probably would have had a civil war around that same time or shortly thereafter.
One thing that can happen, and will happen with increasing frequency, is that the citizens will stop cheering for the government thugs when citizens are gunned down and/or deprived of their property and liberty. At the same time, the agents and supporters of the tyranny will increasingly meet with shame and ostracization among the people. The fact that constables conceal their identities and deploy weapons of war against the citizenry for even minor infractions (real or imagined), while selectively ignoring the criminal invasion over our borders, is a clear sign that the government already views itself as being at war against the citizens.
Decent law-abiding people will once again be forced to pick sides in a senseless conflict instigated by power-hungry bureaucrats and self-anointed elitists.
Once we secure the borders we start ENFORCING the laws on the books dealing with those who employ illegals. Again, the illegals here will see that things have changed and they'll leave of their own accord. No need for mass deportations or incarcerations.
The only ingredient missing is the political will to fix the problem.
BTTT
Excellent post. Very well stated. From your keyboard to God's ear!
Would that you were wrong on the first and right on the second. I fear you are wrong on both. Most modern day adults, at least younger ones, probably think only of BEER when they think of Sam Adams.
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