Posted on 08/22/2005 11:13:09 AM PDT by Charlesj
I totally agree.
I know what ya'll are saying, but I think there is more "hope" in your statements than I wish there had to be.
I just look at the scene in Iraq where they are meeting and I see MEN on the dais, not women. I also agree that the media and the dems are putting WAY to much pressure on these people to meet an artificial deadline...
I also know that they are a "sovereign state" and we can't be seen trying to influence their decisions but I hope there is someone in the background that is telling the "rational" Iraqis that if they chose Shar'ia Law, then we could not stay and defend a system like that.
I wouldn't want our troops to be defending a country that treats their citizens like they did in Afghanistan under the Taliban...and from what I understand (and I am often wrong), that is where this is headed.
Now, defconw, you seem to be optomistic that is that is voted for NOW, that it can be changed in the future..but, who would change it?
I know one thing...I would really be upset if I were the Kurds, they have seemed to be the most rational since BEFORE we went into Iraq...
Do you really think the Iraqi women want to live under Sharia law? Is an Islamic regime worth spilling American blood over?
Under the repressive misogynistic interpretations of those currently holding power in most Muslim countries. There is easily room within the Quran, depending on interpretation, for women to live free in Iraq. A guarantee of rights would prevent the repressive interpretations from being enacted into law. Well, that is, prevent to the extent that it can. Our Constitution wasn't exactly perfectly able to prevent abuses we see today in direct contradiction of the wishes of the Founders and the plain language of their document.
Still, I'll wait for the text on this one, especially as there were women working on the draft.
To be fair a majority of Kurds were free for ten years due to the no fly zone so the rest of Iraq has 10 years of catch up...I would agree with you that this fact alone has to be frustrating for the Kurds.
I am with you.
Well, I just heard Hannity say that this is historic that it might not be the constitution WE would want, but "they will have a vote, then another vote, and then a DEMOCRACY which is what we are over there fighting for"...
So, Hannity is "expecting" this to be a democracy...hm....
I just keep remembering that when Saddam was in control they had "VOTING", also....and Saddam always won--100%!
Voting does not a democracy make..but, I will do my BEST to listen to you and defconw and not panic and write them off yet.
No time to panic, but there is absolutely no reason we can't look at what's going on with a critical eye. Having others with a critical eye keeps me from getting too confident about my thoughts
Lets hope that 20 years from now we can laugh about being so worried about a country that ended up being a thriving democracy...that's what its going to take time wise anyways.
I agree very much with your points!
I admit to a fair amount of skepticism myself. But I have hope.
Yeah, but we're talking about people that are essentially emerging from the 18th century ...
Iraq was about the most Westernized country in that region, and most people there aren't used to religious-based restrictions. Iran was like that before the revolution, but they unfortunately replaced a dictatorship with something just as bad, or worse. I'm afraid of Iraq going from dictator to democracy, then to a repressive theocracy after a revolution.
You'd be amazed at how may of these women would prevent their sex having rights and privileges.
A lot of Muslim women actually believe the stuff about head scarves, etc., and others don't. It all depends on the interpretation. Some Christian women still actually wear their prescribed head scarves to church and believe that they are subordinate to men (both from Corinthians).
Almost as much as having Dinkins as NYC mayor for a year.
by policy gurus who almost uniformly don't have any kids or kin in the military.
Outright false.
The Iraqi Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of Islam.
There is no corresponding demand that the law incorporate Islam.
Anyone have a link to the text of the English Constitution? :)
Though apparently not here.
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