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If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?
1 posted on 08/24/2005 4:15:37 PM PDT by Libloather
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If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?

Are we more free and better than the Iranians?
2 posted on 08/24/2005 4:17:09 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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Yep!


3 posted on 08/24/2005 4:18:25 PM PDT by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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But what if a witness or juror isn’t a Christian? What if he is a Jew or a Muslim? Both groups have their own books of faith, their own symbols of religious truth.

How about if the witness is a Satanist and thinks lying is just his master's way of getting cheap jollies?

Hell, what if the witness is an atheist? Is he supposed to swear to tell the truth while putting his hand on a copy of "Atlas Shrugged"??

Or worse, what if the witness is a Democrat and believes that nobody really knows what the definition of "is" is?

It boggles the mind why we should cater to fringe groups. Sheesh...

4 posted on 08/24/2005 4:20:03 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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If I'm ever called to testify, I will request swearing my oath on a box of Godiva chocolate while saying: "I lie I will never eat another piece of chocolate again, so help me God."


6 posted on 08/24/2005 4:21:00 PM PDT by Lorianne
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If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?

Is that the relevant question? It's not a contest to see whose "holy book" gets used. The point is to maximize the probability that the witness tells the truth. Would a muslim feel greater motivation to tell the truth by swearing on a Bible or on a Koran? That's the only issue that matters.

7 posted on 08/24/2005 4:21:19 PM PDT by sourcery ("Compelling State Interest" is the refuge of judicial activist traitors against the Constitution)
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No... it should be restricted to the pig pen.


11 posted on 08/24/2005 4:24:54 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Do we want to allow them to swear by a document (Koran) that tells Muslims that it is okay to LIE to a non-Muslim? For that matter, why should anyone believe ANYTHING that comes out of a Muslim's mouth except when they say that they are ging to kill you?


12 posted on 08/24/2005 4:25:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Anyone who would swear unto the Qu'ran would do so with a belief in it which means that they would not be obligated to tell the truth to us because we are the Infidels to them and it is okay to lie to us.

Hell no, just ask them to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth under penalty of the United States justice system and make them acknowledge that if they commit perjury they will be penalized under American law.

It's that simple.
16 posted on 08/24/2005 4:26:14 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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I'm not so sure what 'book' one swears on is important. What is important is what book is important to the jurors.

Oath on the Quran? "The jury finds the defendent mohammed abdul guilty as charged your honor!"

Funny how the world works.


17 posted on 08/24/2005 4:26:30 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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My soon to be ex swore on a bible and then lied.

It doesn't matter what God you swear to.

If you're a liar, then you're a liar!

18 posted on 08/24/2005 4:26:47 PM PDT by airborne
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If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?

Doubtful, although I really don't know.

SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?

In an American courtroom? No.

21 posted on 08/24/2005 4:28:25 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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If you're in an Iranian courtroom, do they allow you to swear in on a Bible?

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The PC crowd has gone completely overboard approaching insanity. This is America, not some Arab country. Our oaths are taken on the bible. It is sad that the radical left has promoted the wearing of ones religion as if it is some kind of shield from applicable law and procedure.

Very tragic for this country.


22 posted on 08/24/2005 4:28:38 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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courtroom no, bathroom, yes.


24 posted on 08/24/2005 4:29:10 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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Should the "Koran" be used in lieu of the Bible in a U.S. Courtroom? Not only no but HELL NO!

Muslim countries don't even allow a Bible in their countries (when we are there to protect their back sides) because their governments only acknowledge the Koran as a "Holy Book."

The U.S. was founded as a Christian country (no matter what the atheists say or how many idiots that parrot their lie)and the Bible was acknowledged as our source for law, period.

I would even go further and state that former Muslims tell us that their Prophet Mohammad states in the Koran that it is permissible to lie to an infidel so what does it matter which book a Muslim swears to tell the truth by?

25 posted on 08/24/2005 4:29:20 PM PDT by zerosix
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I've listened to discussion over this and am naturally prone to Christianity and resist the Koran in the Kourtroom.

That being said, Jesus said let your yes be yes and no be no and said not to swear on anything, so maybe the bible has no place in the Kourtroom either.

It's something that has become so traditional in our country, I have tended to go along with the way things have been done, but I would just rather tell the truth to the best of my ability and not have to swear on anything.

There is so much perjury in our courts now, swearing on the bible has become rather meaningless anyway, at least to unbelievers who are not in the Koran or other religion holy book category.

How far are they going to push this anyway?

27 posted on 08/24/2005 4:31:25 PM PDT by Aliska
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"SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?

Yes! As Exhibit 'A'.

30 posted on 08/24/2005 4:33:25 PM PDT by Eastbound
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Google : witness oath;origin


31 posted on 08/24/2005 4:33:46 PM PDT by afnamvet ( Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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The standard in this country for God's-honest-truth is the Bible. I'm going to get flamed for this, I know. But those who don't feel comfortable with our standard might be more comfortable in some other country. And anyone who swears on a Bible, but feels justified in lie-ing because they don't believe in the Bible ... well too bad ... they're held accountable and punished for perjury regardless. I see no reason to change our traditional standards for contemporary immigrants. Melt in the pot or get out. My two cents :-)


41 posted on 08/24/2005 4:41:00 PM PDT by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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SHOULD THE QU'RAN BE IN THE COURTROOM?

No. The bathroom.

47 posted on 08/24/2005 4:53:04 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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We have freedom of religion in this country. Something not enjoyed in most Muslim ruled nations. I think it is right and proper to have a Koran in the courtroom. I do not regard it as holy but a devout Muslim certainly does. Will this prevent dishonest ones from lying? No more than a Bible prevents dishonest Christians from lying. But it will remind the faithful and honest of the seriousness of their oaths.


55 posted on 08/24/2005 4:57:57 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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