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Parks officer shoots, kills man at Elephant Butte (NM State Park)
El Paso Times ^ | August 25, 2005 | Heath Haussamen

Posted on 08/26/2005 1:17:42 PM PDT by Rio

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
NM is different, very different.

I award you a PHD in understatement. :)

121 posted on 08/27/2005 3:00:19 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: WildTurkey
No, most, like my luck recently(past 15 years), get from point A to point B without getting pulled over by someone who was picked on too much in high school, or has a confidence problem. If you want to be the person you are pretending to be, keep the story in context.
122 posted on 08/27/2005 3:02:30 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: sit-rep
No, most, like my luck recently(past 15 years), get from point A to point B without getting pulled over by someone who was picked on too much in high school, or has a confidence problem. If you want to be the person you are pretending to be, keep the story in context.

I was pulled over one time by a cop that had a bad hair day. I kept my cool and so did the others in the car. No ticket, No warning. I made my report about his actions at the police station.

Had I been impaired and dissed him as you did, he probably would have reacted like the cop that pepper-sprayed you.

123 posted on 08/27/2005 3:05:47 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: sit-rep
Go ahead, tel me you don't drink and drive...

I limit myself to one glass of wine with dinner.

If I go out to dance, it is ONE drink per hour and at least one hour between FINISHING the last drink before I will drive. And if I get pulled over, I will be able to provide them with the RIGHT insurance card.

124 posted on 08/27/2005 3:08:53 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: sit-rep
Do you have a fetish for wild turkeys

We always had wild turkey for Thanksgiving dinner.

125 posted on 08/27/2005 3:10:27 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: sit-rep
And by the way... your handle, "WildTurkey"??

It comes from a long time ago when me and my buddy gave the Admiral at the Pensacola NAS the 'bird'.

126 posted on 08/27/2005 3:11:40 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Rio

Squirrel Cops With Glocks! BUMP!


127 posted on 08/27/2005 3:15:17 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: WildTurkey
It comes from a long time ago when me and my buddy gave the Admiral at the Pensacola NAS the 'bird'

Well then, with this new revelation, I'll have you know that your percentages increased on my 'Respect' meter...Here...Let me buy your next glass of wine. You ain't goin' anywhere in the next hour are ya??

128 posted on 08/27/2005 3:16:47 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: dighton

Sad end for Butt.


129 posted on 08/27/2005 4:17:28 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: sit-rep

LOL! Good choice. My wife mentioned something about that, Bath Fest, I think. Thought it was some gay-lesbian thing from the name at first. Maybe we'll stop by tomorrow for a few.


130 posted on 08/27/2005 4:51:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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To: Rio; Squantos; CedarDave; elkfersupper; TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

At first I thought that NM had implemented pretty strict enforcement of its parks admissions policy. Guess more facts will have to come out, but the cop will have some explaining to do.


131 posted on 08/27/2005 4:59:37 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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To: Larry Lucido
I like the part where the perp was shot and killed by what amounts to an armed security guard, while his hands were in his pockets, and he was contesting the validity of a $14 camping fee.

By the time this is settled, you can probably multiply that $14 by a million.

132 posted on 08/27/2005 5:04:42 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Larry Lucido
police did not find "a firearm or knife" on or near the man's body after he was shot

Hmmmm so contempt of cop is a crime now ? Sounds like Clyde has some splainin to do...... Based on "just" what I read here ..... the tree cop err'd on the side of death per se. Wait'n see.......

133 posted on 08/27/2005 5:10:14 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: inneroutlaw
Looky here.

I told you I got worried when they started arming the forest service.

134 posted on 08/27/2005 5:20:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Squantos; elkfersupper

I remember what it's like to guess what a guy is hiding in his pocket or behind his back but, geez, context is everything. An argument over admission hardly gives rise to assumptions the dude's about to pull a Thompson submachine gun out of his pocket.

Now if he was wearing bulky clothing with wires sticking out and yelling "Die, infidel!", he might have had a better case.


135 posted on 08/27/2005 5:27:04 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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To: Larry Lucido; elkfersupper

Tree cops have no balls cause they are all nuts !


136 posted on 08/27/2005 5:29:42 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: UseYourHead

Maybe you ought to start hanging out at mind reading forums.


137 posted on 08/27/2005 5:37:54 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Squantos
Hmmmm so contempt of cop is a crime now ? Sounds like Clyde has some splainin to do...... Based on "just" what I read here ..... the tree cop err'd on the side of death per se. Wait'n see.......

You know I can't second guess this guy. He was out there all alone. OTOH he may be a freak with a chip on his shoulder. For all we know he may have been loading up on the trigger finger and had an AD. In the past 3 years I have seen two cops with their finger loading up on a trigger. That is an "accident" waiting to happen if you want to call an AD in that situation an "accident".

However there were evidently a lot of witnesses on this thread. They KNOW the perp attacked the cop and tried to unsuccessfully wrestle his gun away!

138 posted on 08/27/2005 5:50:24 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: elkfersupper
I am really disgusted with the people who think every gov't lackey has the right to order people around and shoot them if they don't comply.

I was once one of those rangers with a gun and a argumentative boater under the influence of a few beers decided he didn't want an official warning for running in the dark with no lights. He surprised me by whipping out his pipe and saying bang!Wrote him a citation to appear instead of a warning.

No shots fired!

Same place a drunk,high teenager wrecked his mom's car,tore up his temp license instead of handing it to me,then pulls a knife. Disarmed him and sent him to the county jail.

No shots fired!

Now how many want to tell me that they should have been executed for momentary stupidity?

I must admit,that I rec'd almost no training so had to rely on my own judgment. Indiana has(or had) an interesting concept in that many peace officers may be hired and put on the job with full powers which expire in one year if academy training is not completed . Yet there are almost no cases of bad shootings by those minimally trained officers . After the dept I worked for started receiving formal training the new rangers got big heads and one pulled a gun on a woman stopped for speeding. Another trained young officer with several years experience was in the habit of taking his gun out and holding it behind his back during every traffic stop;he was told by the chief to stop doing that.

Maybe we should require all law enforcemment persons to be at least 25 with verifiable non-police employment of at least 2 full years after school.

139 posted on 08/27/2005 6:15:07 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Larry Lucido

Cincinnati sent a homeowner to the slammer for shooting a punk that had been threatening the homeowner. The deceased came up onto the man's porch and reached behind him saying he had what he need to take care of (the homeowner). The shooter had video surveillance installed because of his fear of the other and that video was used to convict him because no gun was produced by the deceased ( turns out either he didn't have one or (somebody made off with it,IF it existed.) Guns disappear from shootings more often than you might think if a criminal sees a chance to acquire a "free" gun.


140 posted on 08/27/2005 6:24:07 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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