Posted on 08/27/2005 9:08:20 AM PDT by bondserv
Leviticus 11:21-23 says that locusts, bald locusts, beetles, and grasshoppers have four feet. They are insects. As such they have six, not four.
[21] Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
[22] Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
[23] But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
Here's another one. Leviticus 11:6 says that they hare "cheweth the cud".
[6] And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Hares do not "cheweth the cud". The hare and the rabbit check out their poop to see if there is anything still good left in it. If there is still food there, they eat their poop. The hare cheweth the poop, not the cud.
Son, you ever run a Carbon 14 date, or are you just mouthing off about something of which you know nothing?
First, Carbon 14 dating goes back no farther than 50,000 years, so virtually all of the evolutionary dating is by other methods.
Second, the old carbon reservoir in the ocean is well known and there are correction and calibration curves to account for it. These are based on dating shells of known age and other methods.
You have any questions about any of this, you let me know.
Here's two sets of words from the Bible:
"Thou Shalt not Kill"
"Thou Shalt not suffer a witch to live"
Which is correct?
It is my contention that you can't possibly know that for sure.
The evidence doesn't support RMNS; if it did we would not be discussing this topic at this late date in scientific history!
Oh, please. The Amish exist. You exist. Is nothing ever decided today? You are the one who wants to use the Bible to decide whatever it is you want to use it to decide. Okay. The burden is on you to tell us which version of the Bible is right and what your reasons are for making such a determination. Or do you just want to make it up as you go along?
The modern American intellectuals have painted themselves into a relativistic corner, where anything goes. A far cry from the intention of our Founders. Watered down freedom ensues.
I'm not making a case for "modern American intellectuals," I'm trying to get you to tell us what your version of "originalism" means.
Bats aren't birds. See Leviticus 11:13 IIRC
Biology is in its infancy. This is not late, this is just the beginning. Science is only just understanding how genes interact to produce embryonic development. Without knowing this you cannot find transitional paths for structures such as the eye.
The evolutionary process of RM+NS is a powerful search method and in recognition of that the process has been ported to computing to solve problems and design things.
Plenty of evidence supports that it is quite efficient in nature too (ie direct observation - think anti-biotic resistance).
We apologize that certain ancient Hebraic words do not necessarily translate one for one with current taxonomic definitions.
There is only one version of the Bible. The original. There have been some helpful language conversions for those who aren't fluent in Hebrew or Greek, but there are copies of the originals available in the original languages.
In fact there are more copies of the originals than any other ancient text by 10 fold. What this enables us to do is compare copies insuring there has been minimal variation. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls (dated to be from the first century) have validated that the copies we have been using are unbelievably accurate.
Another amazing thing about scripture is that there are literally thousands of commentaries through the centuries that we can draw upon, enabling us to ascertain the meaning the original authors intended when the were scribing the text. This is monumental in that when one endeavors to create a translation into another language, that amount of source material makes for a very accurate rendering.
Christendom believes this has been a supernatural process that has been overseen by the Holy Spirit. Meaning, the inspiration to the original authors was supernatural as evidenced by the integrated message presented by over 40 authors in 66 books. The preservation is supernatural as evidenced by the extreme measures the scribes went to in order to preserve an accurate transcription. The wealth of surrounding supportive source materials in the form of commentaries.
Supernatural to say the least!
Just for clarity:
We don't have the original documents the authors penned, we have copies of those originals.
I believe the Catholic version of the Bible is not the same as the Protestant version.
In fact there are more copies of the originals than any other ancient text by 10 fold. What this enables us to do is compare copies insuring there has been minimal variation. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls (dated to be from the first century) have validated that the copies we have been using are unbelievably accurate.
Another amazing thing about scripture is that there are literally thousands of commentaries through the centuries that we can draw upon, enabling us to ascertain the meaning the original authors intended when the were scribing the text. This is monumental in that when one endeavors to create a translation into another language, that amount of source material makes for a very accurate rendering.
Christendom believes this has been a supernatural process that has been overseen by the Holy Spirit. Meaning, the inspiration to the original authors was supernatural as evidenced by the integrated message presented by over 40 authors in 66 books. The preservation is supernatural as evidenced by the extreme measures the scribes went to in order to preserve an accurate transcription. The wealth of surrounding supportive source materials in the form of commentaries.
Supernatural to say the least!
None of which has anything to do with my question: Whose interpretation is right and how do you know?
donh, have your read much Bible or are you like Madeline O'hair who argued in a debate that an ark made of gold could never float.
Read those verses carefully and prayerfully and then read the rest of the Bible. The Bible is the best interpreter of the meaning of the verses in it and that takes prayerful study of the entire Bible.
Take a scoffing attitude and just do a cursory reading (which you obviously must have done) and you end up with such a question that children in Bible school already know the answer to.
I would not respond to your question this way, but you are a critic who has neither the reading, nor the understanding of the scriptures to behave so arrogantly. I say this because this is your normal attitude toward the Bible and you never receive the answers objectively, but only so you can further your attack with more scoffing.
You will read the answer in the next several chapters and books, and then in the New Testament Jesus will tell you as plainly as possible. You must have missed those chapters, books and verses plain enough for a child to understand.
You sound like you have such a negative attitude toward the Bible for someone who has obviously not read it, or didn't read much of it. That is the only explanation for asking that question.
The Bible itself says there is milk and meat within scripture, some things are simple and some things are very hard to understand, this one is simple, you have no authority to be a critic, you are just relaying what someone else told you or that you read in a skeptics opinon about the scripture.
donh, have your read much Bible or are you like Madeline O'hair who argued in a debate that an ark made of gold could never float.
more irrelvent blah, blah, blah; more condescending blah, blah, blah..... .......... ..........
Answer the question I asked. Do you think God appreciates those who dissemble, insult, and obfuscate in His Name?
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