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Experts Warn Debt May Threaten Economy
Colorado Springs Gazette ^ | Aug 27, 2005 | Robert Tanner (A.P.)

Posted on 08/27/2005 3:14:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58

You owe $145,000. And the bill is rising every day. That's how much it would cost every American man, woman and child to pay the tab for the long-term promises the U.S. government has made to creditors, retirees, veterans and the poor.

And it's not even taking into account credit card bills, mortgages - all the debt we've racked up personally. Savings? The average American puts away barely $1 of every $100 earned.

Our profligate ways at home are mirrored in Washington and in the global marketplace, where as a society America spends $1.9 billion more a day on imported clothes and cars and gadgets than the entire rest of the world spends on its goods and services.

A new Associated Press/Ipsos poll finds that barely a third of Americans would cut spending to reduce the federal deficit and even fewer would raise taxes.

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If those figures seem out of whack to you, if they seem to cut against the way you learned to handle money, if they seem like a recipe for a national economic nightmare - well, then, at least you're not alone.

A chorus of economists, government officials and elected leaders both conservative and liberal is warning that America's nonstop borrowing has put the nation on the road to a major fiscal disaster - one that could unleash plummeting home values, rocketing interest rates, lost jobs, stagnating wages and threats to government services ranging from health care to law enforcement.

David Walker, who audits the federal government's books as the U.S. comptroller general, put it starkly in an interview with the AP:

"I believe the country faces a critical crossroad and that the decisions that are made - or not made - within the next 10 years or so will have a profound effect on the future of our country, our children and our grandchildren. The problem gets bigger every day, and the tidal wave gets closer every day."

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Poll Tracks Americans' Debt Worries

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan echoed those worries just last week, warning that the federal budget deficit hampered the nation's ability to absorb possible shocks from the soaring trade deficit and the housing boom. He criticized the nation's "hesitancy to face up to the difficult choices that will be required to resolve our looming fiscal problems."

Certainly, there are those who feel such comments bring to mind the preachers who predict the end of the world at a specific time and place, and have always been wrong. And undeniably, borrowing isn't all bad - easy access to money has been a critical tool in building America's businesses, from mom-and-pops to multinationals.

But something has changed. More than two centuries ago, Benjamin Franklin warned: "He that goes aborrowing, goes asorrowing." Now, a laugh-til-you-cry commercial portrays a man with a beautiful home and car declaring: "I'm in debt up to my eyeballs. I can barely pay my finance charges. Somebody help me."

The epidemic of American indebtedness runs from home to government to global marketplace. To examine it, let's start at home.

Americans used to save, but no longer. Back in the 1950s, a generation of Americans who had survived the Depression and Second World War saved roughly 8 percent of their income. The savings rate rose and fell slightly over the decades - it went as high as 11 percent and as low as 7 percent during the "greed is good" 1980s - but now those days are only a memory.

In the charge-everything start of the new millennium, savings have plummeted: to just 1.8 percent last year, below 1 percent since January and at zero in the latest estimate from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

The lack of savings is mirrored by a rise in debt. In 2000, household debt broke 18 percent of disposable income for the first time in 20 years, meaning debt eats almost $1 in every $5 American families have to spend after they get past the bills that keep them fed and housed. (That figure hasn't dropped. Credit card debt alone averages $7,200 per household.)

Many people take comfort in the rising value of their homes, and its spurred record home-building and buying, with new construction making places like Las Vegas the fastest-growing in the nation. But a home translates into wealth only when you sell it - and there's a vigorous debate over whether the housing boom is becoming a bubble that will burst.

"It seems like, with the younger generation, that they want to have now what it took us years to get," says Jo Canelon, a 46-year-old social worker in Statenville, Ga.

"I see people younger than me with comparable jobs that drive new vehicles and have a boat and mortgage and things," says Canelon, who responded to the AP/Ipsos poll. "And I just wonder about their debt."

Canelon sees echoes in the rise of obesity: a pervasive I-want-it-now attitude no matter what the consequences. To her, debt's a symptom of disease, and one that's spreading.

If she's right, the government is sick, too.

Leaders are elected by the people they serve, of course, and the American people seem to want the best of both worlds - tax cuts and government services - while they hope the dollars sort themselves out. They worry about the nation's problems, but not enough to agree on a course of action to fix them.

The AP/Ipsos poll of 1,000 adults taken July 5-7 found that a sweeping majority - 70 percent - worried about the size of the federal deficit either "some" or "a lot."

But only 35 percent were willing to cut government spending and experience a drop in services to balance the budget. Even fewer - 18 percent - were willing to raise taxes to keep current services. Just 1 percent wanted to both raise taxes and cut spending. The poll has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

The nation's political leaders could hardly be said to have a mandate calling for fiscal responsibility.

A few years ago, government finances were the strongest they've been in a generation. Then came a turnaround - and a stunningly quick one. The budget surplus of $236 billion in 2000 turned into a deficit of $412 billion last year. The government had to borrow that much to cover the hole between what it took in and what it had to spend; a difference that's called the federal deficit.

Blame the bust of the dot-com boom, the ensuing recession, President Bush's federal tax cuts, the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Bush has gotten his share of brickbats, from both the right and the left, for the spending while he's in office. Still, the federal deficit isn't as big as it was in the worst of the years under President Reagan as a percentage of the overall economy.

Some note things are getting better: The latest reports project a deficit of $331 billion for 2005, nearly $100 billion less than expected. Outstanding debt - the amount of securities and bonds that must be repaid - is far below what it was in the early 1990s.

But bigger worries lie ahead.

The nation's three biggest entitlement programs - Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - make promises for retirement and health care (for the elderly and the poor) which carry a huge price tag that balloons as the population grows and ages.

Add it up: current debt and deficit, promises for those big programs, pensions, veterans health care. The total comes to $43 trillion, says Walker, the nation's comptroller general, who runs the Government Accountability Office. That's where the $145,000 bill for every American, or $350,000 for every full-time worker, comes from.

Simply hoping for good times to return won't erase numbers like that, Walker says.

"There's no way we're going to grow our way out of our long-range fiscal imbalance," he says, adding that the country must re-examine tax policy, entitlement programs and the entire federal budget.

"I really do not believe the American people have a real idea as to where we are and where we're headed, and what the potential implications are for the country if we don't start making some tough decisions soon," he says.

The dangers are clear as day to Felicia Brown in Saginaw, Mich. To her, it's the leaders who ignore them, she says.

"We're stealing from our children's future and our grandchildren's future," says the cashier and mother of three, who also responded to the AP/Ipsos poll. "We're led off on this belief that we should buy, buy, buy. Everyone needs a big house, everyone needs a new car every two years. We're spending all this money on that, and we're not saving anything."

Some people, however - including economists - think the picture isn't so gloomy.

Ben Bernanke, who recently left the Federal Reserve Board to serve as President Bush's top economic adviser, has argued that the problem is not with the United States. The trouble lies overseas, where people want to save rather than spend their money. The key is to encourage other countries to spend and invest more, he says, though he also believes that the federal budget needs to be balanced.

By raising the issue of foreign investment, Bernanke touches on another area that scares economists - America's inexhaustible desire for foreign goods.

The trade deficit - the difference between what America imports and what it exports - is the highest it's ever been, both in absolute numbers and in comparison to the size of the economy.

As a society, Americans are on track this year to spend $680 billion more on foreign goods such as Chinese-made clothes, Japanese-made cars and Scandinavian cell phones than overseas buyers do on American goods. The crush of arriving, Asian-made products recently spurred the Port of Los Angeles to switch to 24-hour operations.

Nearly two decades ago, the country fretted over a trade imbalance equal to 3.1 percent of the overall economy, or the gross domestic product. It's more than twice as big now, roughly 6.5 percent.

Here's how economists, from former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker to former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to analysts at the International Monetary Fund, explain the danger: Americans, who go into debt to keep living a life beyond their means, are spending more and more of that borrowed money to buy goods from overseas.

At the same time, the government provides more services to the public than it can afford to - and goes into debt to cover the cost.

Other nations actually purchase that debt, in the form of U.S. Treasury bonds and notes. Those bonds have increasingly been snapped up not just by private investors but by foreign banks. Japanese investors hold the most U.S. debt, but China has been buying more than any other country in recent months.

The biggest trade deficit is with China, too, at $162 billion. Japan is next, at $75 billion.

In a very real sense, the U.S. economy is dependent on the central banks of Japan, China and other nations to invest in U.S. Treasuries and keep American interest rates down. The low rates here keep American consumers buying imported goods.

But the lack of fiscal discipline in the United States is undermining the value of the American dollar, thereby lowering the value of the U.S. Treasuries in foreign banks. As the dollar's value drops, other nations' willingness to keep investing cannot last, says Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University.

If those banks reduced their dollar holdings or were simply less willing to invest so much, it could spark a sharp fall in the value of the dollar. And that could create a host of economic problems.

Economists and business leaders are closely watching China's decision last month to uncouple the value of its currency, the yuan, from the dollar and tie it instead to a basket of different currencies. The move could make the dollar's position less exposed to a quick shift by international investors - or it could spur those investors to look elsewhere and leave the United States' position more precarious.

In the end, Roubini, Walker and others say, disaster is still avoidable, but it's going to require the American people and the country's leaders to clean financial house - to reduce the federal deficit and the trade deficit. Global economics may drive some changes: if Japanese cars cost more, for example, Americans may buy less-expensive GMs.

If not, the future poses some frightening what-ifs:

- What if the dollar plummets? Do stocks follow? How about pensions?

- What if interest rates soar? How would all the new homeowners, who stretched to buy with adjustable and interest-only loans, cover their mortgages?

- How would consumers with record credit-card debt make their payments? Would they stop buying? Stop taking vacations? What will happen if they go bankrupt? New rules going into effect later this year make it harder on such debtors.

- How would government, which depends on the taxes of a strong economy to operate, keep all its promises?

Roubini says time is critical because the worse debt becomes, the more vulnerable America is to shocks in the global economic systems - another spike in oil prices, another major terrorist attack, another major military conflict.

OK, now back to you. No one's asking you to write a check to cover that $145,000, not yet. But the pressures are building around the world, in Washington, and in America's homes to straighten out our finances or get ready for a real mess.

"We're living beyond our means," Roubini says, "and we have to get our act together."


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"We're living beyond our means," Roubini says,

I'm not.

Even though the government takes a lot of my "means" and gives it to others.

1 posted on 08/27/2005 3:14:09 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Waiting for AP to write a story on how much the rest of the world owes the US.


2 posted on 08/27/2005 3:16:26 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Waiting for AP to write a story on how much the rest of the world owes the US.

Don't hold your breath on that.

A big part of the world owes their very existence to the U.S. and they spit in our face.

I'm thinking France.

3 posted on 08/27/2005 3:21:43 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Very little incentive to save when Money Market accounts yield half a percent interest.


4 posted on 08/27/2005 3:24:15 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: Graybeard58
What really matters is not debt, what matters is net worth. In government or personal issues, net worth, or net debt is the key.

If I have 10,000 in credit card bills, but $5000.00 net in a car, and 30,0000 in equity in my house, and $15,000 in an IRA, then my 'debt' doesn't really exist.

The same goes for government, or public debt. If our National Debt is $13 Trillion, but our GNP is $11 Trillion, and our net national worth is $160 Trillion, then we are still pretty well off.

Don't panic, in the 80's our national debt went up $2 Trillion, but our GNP went from $3 Trillion to $6 Trillion per year.

Pretty good debt to asset ration if you ask me.

5 posted on 08/27/2005 3:24:22 PM PDT by keithtoo (Howard Dean's Democratic Party: Traitors, Haters, and Vacillators)
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To: Graybeard58
45 percent is owed to ourselves most of which is Social Security, fix the Ponzi scheme that Social Security is and a large portion of the problem is solved.
6 posted on 08/27/2005 3:29:15 PM PDT by BIGZ
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To: Graybeard58

"A chorus of economists, government officials and elected leaders both conservative and liberal is warning that America's nonstop borrowing has put the nation on the road to a major fiscal disaster - one that could unleash plummeting home values, rocketing interest rates, lost jobs, stagnating wages and threats to government services ranging from health care to law enforcement. "

Well, I think that just about covers every major financial thing. Could've said Depression... but, then we'd be using terms from the campaign, which makes us then goto BUSH"S ECONOMY IS THE WORST SINCE HOOVER! Then we talk about the 04 election, and then all the way back to how the PResident stole the 00 election, right?

</sarcasm>


7 posted on 08/27/2005 3:31:06 PM PDT by DTwistedSisterS
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To: A. Pole; hedgetrimmer; Willie Green

Pinging the ones who usually ping me on stuff like this.


8 posted on 08/27/2005 3:31:41 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - Free Trade Delenda Est!)
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To: Graybeard58

And why, exactly, did Congress just approve a $289 billion highway bill? We don't need it, and it's just going to add to the debt.

Someone ought to make these guys liable for their malpractice, but I guess it's not going to be them!


9 posted on 08/27/2005 3:33:25 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: BIGZ
45 percent is owed to ourselves most of which is Social Security, fix the Ponzi scheme that Social Security is and a large portion of the problem is solved.

Yep, fix that and everything associated with it, medicare, medicade etc. Then get rid of a few other massive giveaways like the Earned Income Credit.

10 posted on 08/27/2005 3:34:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

My view is that Soros, Buffett, and Gates are not paying their fair share. They help elect these spendthrifts, and then they expect us to pay the consequences.


11 posted on 08/27/2005 3:34:45 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Graybeard58
No one's asking you to write a check to cover that $145,000

Like Foxworthy says, ... "A CHECK? You'll take a CHECK? ... Why didn't you say so ... Hell yes, I can write you a check ... I'll just round it off to $150,000 if that's OK with you."

12 posted on 08/27/2005 3:35:32 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Graybeard58
The entire article is crap. They deliberately don't count 401K's, IRA's, stock brokerage accounts, mutual fund holdings, direct stock investments, real estate holdings, gold, or any other form of "savings" or assets. And anybody who puts their assets into a "savings account" deserves exactly what they get.
13 posted on 08/27/2005 3:42:51 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: keithtoo
The same goes for government, or public debt. If our National Debt is $13 Trillion, but our GNP is $11 Trillion, and our net national worth is $160 Trillion, then we are still pretty well off.

Including the promises for SS, medicare, govt and military retirement, etc, the debt is more like $40 trillion (in present dollars). A lot of it can't be inflated away since it is indexed. It might be possible to grow the economy enough to pay the debt but I doubt it. Ultimately we will seen as unable to pay and the lending (Asian countries buying T-bills) will stop. It may not happen for a while, but it will be quick when it happens. Maybe at that point we can sell our bridges to the Chinese (for scrap).

14 posted on 08/27/2005 3:44:01 PM PDT by palmer (If you see flies at the entrance to the burrow, the ground hog is probably inside)
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To: Graybeard58
[Experts Warn Debt May Threaten Economy]



A few observations about this:

-- excessive accumulated debt does have a negative effect on the economy

-- the debt is caused by the government consistently spending more money than is available

-- the only time the debt was decreasing was in the late 90s's as a result of mandatory federal spending caps passed as part of the Republican's "Contract with America"

-- those mandatory federal spending caps have expired and the debt is increasing again

-- there is currently no mandate from anything near a majority of voters for the government to be fiscally responsible

-- the "old media" only warns about the accumulating national debt when there is a Republican president


And I have one question, admittedly rhetorical:

-- If we had a both a Democratic congress and a Democratic president would the debt decrease, or would the debt increase faster?
15 posted on 08/27/2005 3:46:36 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: Graybeard58
For those of you interested in our net position with respect to international investment, here's the thread I started on the latest U.S. Net International Investment Position at Yearend 2004 report from the U.S. government's Bureau of Economic Analysis:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433780/posts

16 posted on 08/27/2005 3:51:12 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Graybeard58

[The nation's three biggest entitlement programs - Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - make promises for retirement and health care (for the elderly and the poor) which carry a huge price tag that balloons as the population grows and ages.]



It's a good thing we have 7 trillion dollars built up in the social security "trust fund" to keep the program solvent for another 30 or 40 years.

And I'm not really worried that there is only an I.O.U. in the "trust fund" put there by congress when they "borrowed" the 7 trillion dollars to make up for some of the deficits in the general fund over the last few decades.

I'm sure congress will replace the money before it will be needed to cover promised benefits when the social security system starts operating in the red in the next couple of years.

I'm especially confident because distinguished Senators like Ted Kennedy and John F. Kerry promised the 7 trillion dollars would be there in the "trust fund" for retirees, and I assume that means they guarantee the money will be available even if they have to cover the cost out of their own private fortunes. They promised.


Why do I hear laughing?


17 posted on 08/27/2005 4:04:48 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: thoughtomator

0.5%? Please, shop around. You can do much better than that!


18 posted on 08/27/2005 4:43:18 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Graybeard58

Oh yeah, save cash. Oh Sure. For all those who saved 100,000 five years ago, it is now worth about 110,000. For all those who invested it in "bloated" real estate, it is now worth about $300,000. I think that explains the near 0% cash save rate.


19 posted on 08/27/2005 5:03:03 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
[...] "I see people younger than me with comparable jobs that drive new vehicles and have a boat and mortgage and things," says Canelon, who responded to the AP/Ipsos poll. "And I just wonder about their debt."
[...]
But only 35 percent were willing to cut government spending and experience a drop in services to balance the budget. Even fewer - 18 percent - were willing to raise taxes to keep current services. Just 1 percent wanted to both raise taxes and cut spending. The poll has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
[...]
Nearly two decades ago, the country fretted over a trade imbalance equal to 3.1 percent of the overall economy, or the gross domestic product. It's more than twice as big now, roughly 6.5 percent.
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At the same time, the government provides more services to the public than it can afford to - and goes into debt to cover the cost. Other nations actually purchase that debt, in the form of U.S. Treasury bonds and notes. Those bonds have increasingly been snapped up not just by private investors but by foreign banks. [...]

Some radio talk show hosts say "Don't worry, be happy. We are living better than previous generations of Americans."

20 posted on 08/27/2005 5:06:16 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! ")
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