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THE GREAT RAID - "Ted Kennedy, that is torture; you shut the hell up!" yelled in theatre
dfu | 8-27-05 | dfu

Posted on 08/27/2005 7:51:00 PM PDT by doug from upland

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To: Texas_Jarhead

Doug ...
Your relationship seems more interesting than Carville and Matalin LOL.


41 posted on 08/28/2005 6:42:22 AM PDT by sono
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To: doug from upland

Doug, you should be writing for The Onion.


42 posted on 08/28/2005 6:46:10 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: TruthFactor
Hollywood finds it difficult to give the full truth about our enemies for fear of offending and making them look too bad.

Sadly the reviewers that didn't like the movie did so because it was too hard on the Japanese and "just brought up old stereotypes."

43 posted on 08/28/2005 6:50:00 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: RaceBannon

OK, I think we need to go to movies in a clump. It could be darned fun. We might even get tossed out.


44 posted on 08/28/2005 7:26:03 AM PDT by bboop
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To: bboop; All

I can think of a Michael Moore movie we could freep....


45 posted on 08/28/2005 7:30:50 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: LS

I am aware of that story. We had a lady who was captured during WWII in the Dutch East Indies who lived near me. She spent her childhood in a Japanese consentration camp. Her father died working on the "death" railroad. She had some interesting stories about her experiences. She hated the Japanese.


46 posted on 08/28/2005 8:00:05 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: doug from upland

Interesting the name Fullbright came up. When the US Capital Building was bombed in 1971, Kennedy and Fullbright did all they could to impede the investigation. They never caught who did it, but I have always felt it was someone connected with VVAW. We knew they had explosives and the will and desire to use them. This took place after Kerry's march on DC and about the same time VVAW conspired to murder the US Senators.


47 posted on 08/28/2005 8:09:18 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: wildwood

Read, "Bored of the Rings".


48 posted on 08/28/2005 8:11:39 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: doug from upland

Good for you doug.


49 posted on 08/28/2005 8:21:56 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: Timmy
Good morning.

My wife and I saw it Saturday. I haven't read the books yet but they are on my list.

We loved the movie and I don't care how close to the books the movie makers came. Even the love story was done well, and did not detract from the story of the raid.

As others have said, the use of film of the real POWs and Rangers at the end was incredibly moving.

I felt that the movie was as accurate as the movie makers could make it, enough for me to overlook errors.

I would have liked to have seen a real Black Widow used in the fly over that distracted the Japanese. After I'm finished posting I'll do some research to see if any are still flying.

The sound of Garand clips flying out of weapons was well done, and I liked seeing Benjamin Bratt using an '03 Springfield.

My only complaint is that the theater had the air conditioning set very low. It's harder to immerse yourself in a movie about the Philippines when you are freezing.

This one will be in my library.

Rangers Lead The Way.

Michael Frazier
50 posted on 08/28/2005 8:51:53 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: R. Scott; Brad's Gramma

On a hot summer weekend, you drive about a thousand miles all over Southern California from quilt store to quilt store, buying the bargains and trying to win prizes. Typically it is over 20 stores. I took her on one once that was from Escondido to Palm Springs to Ojai to the Simi Valley. So when I make a fuss about Heinz Ketchup or occasionally make an astute political comments in a movie theatre, I think I need to be cut a little slack.

Oh, yeah. Driving home from the state of Washington once, the entire trip home was a non official quilt run.


51 posted on 08/28/2005 8:53:55 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming -- INDICTING HILLARY)
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To: U S Army EOD

nooooooo thanks.....


52 posted on 08/28/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: wildwood

It could literally kill you laughing, and it goes very close to the story. A must read. Chicken!!!


53 posted on 08/28/2005 9:06:30 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (WHEN JANE FONDA STARTS HER TOUR, LET ME KNOW WHERE SHE IS)
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To: Timmy
I'm 47 , and saw it Friday. Loved the movie. I knew some elements may have been fabricated, even though I knew nothing about the raid. I saw nothing from my general knowledge of WWII that seemed out of keeping with reality.

GO SEE THIS FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
54 posted on 08/28/2005 9:11:40 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: doug from upland
I took her on one once that was from Escondido to Palm Springs to Ojai to the Simi Valley.

Whoa! That is a lot of driving. I hope she was appreciative for a long time. That should make up for a lot of football games, beer with the buddies etc.
55 posted on 08/28/2005 9:30:36 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: doug from upland

When i went, people clapped and "whooped" when the Japanese commander was killed.

My kids went to see it and half way thru, right at the place where the Filipino village was burned, the projector bulb broke and they couldn't replace it. Right when it was getting good!
They got a free movie ticket to come back at a later date.


56 posted on 08/28/2005 9:34:39 AM PDT by It's me
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To: doug from upland

I know that you believe that you're on a mission but shouting anything out in a movie theater is for yahoos. People paid their money to see the film, not some form of political street theater.


57 posted on 08/28/2005 9:37:24 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: Timmy

Okay, I just have to post again. I have not read either of the books the film was based on and I can still tell you what's wrong with your critique. The movie was a dramatization, not a documentary. Filmmakers make choices in presenting a historical subject. In the movie Patton the general is shown saying things at different times and places than he really made them, and there were actually two, not one soldiers he slapped. But does that detract from the film? Not really, since it showed the man and his achievements in their proper light.

So what if there was a love story? My wife hates war movies. I made her go anyway. She was as moved as I was, but I'm sure she'd be thinking about all the wives and girlfriends who lose lovers in war, even if there was none shown on screen. This element was added to diversify the audience, and perhaps to represent all the loved ones lost, and the general sense of sacrifice experienced in WWII. The tone and outcome of the relationship was perfectly in keeping with the film. It was not a melodramatic PEARL HARBOR style love triangle.

The conflict between Prince and Mucci is called dramatic tension, You've got to give the audience a reason to think the raid will fail. Will the troops overcome their personal conflicts and the Japanese to save the prisoners? That sort of thing. As for the Filipino guerrillas, perhaps the writer wanted to use them to symbolize the somewhat second class treatment they have gotten after the war, as some have been denied the US citizenship they were promised.

So what if prisoners weren't killed right before the raid. Enough were throughout captivity that showing the brutality of the guards is not out of place. I suspect that using "special police forces" was a sop to the Japanese to try and imply that the worst treatment did not come from regular Japanese soldiers. Complain if you like about that one, but it did not hurt the film to me.

Finally, I suspect that the lack of enough explosives to destroy the bridge again was symbolic of the Filipinos having to fight an enemy they could not destroy, but could harass and obstruct.

The movie was a very, very good film. Not great as in all time best, but I think it was a fine piece of filmmaking. Again, if you haven't seen it, go do so!


58 posted on 08/28/2005 9:38:51 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: wtc911

Okay, I guess I am going to have to change my name to yahoo from upland.


59 posted on 08/28/2005 10:32:37 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming -- INDICTING HILLARY)
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To: wtc911

End of the movie during the crawl. No dialogue. Many people were leaving. Showing scenes of our prisoners. No one demanded that I be removed from the theatre. Making a comment in three movies in about nine years doesn't make me a felon.


60 posted on 08/28/2005 10:34:35 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming -- INDICTING HILLARY)
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