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To: LexBaird
It is quite well established that Saddam Hussein admired and modeled himself and his regime after Stalin. Even the NYT acknowledges it.

Do you and NYT deny the fact that under Saddam half of population was armed, all religions were free to flourish and numerous private businesses were functioning? Growing the mustache a la Stalin does not change these facts.

I am sorry, but you have no clue what the hard core Stalin's regime was. I recommend you start with reading Archipelago Gulag.

Sure it did, and in most of the places where we supported "our bastard", it turned out to be a grave error. So why do you advocate the same failed policy for the Middle East?

Why failed? In several places the spread of Communism was stopped by the US supported dictatorships. Would you have rather have Latin America to be ruled by Che Guevara?

The Iran fell to Islamists after dictator/shah was abandoned and Vietnam started to fall to Communists after Diem was killed with approval of Kennedy.

This is 2005, not 1705. The world has had over two hundred years to see the benefit of Democracy over Kings

Human nature did not change. BTW, Democracies/republics existed before 1705 and EACH time if allowed to last long enough and prosper they evolved into monarchies/empires.

113 posted on 08/31/2005 8:06:43 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: A. Pole
I am sorry, but you have no clue what the hard core Stalin's regime was.

The uses that a regime is put to are one thing, The methods used to establish and maintain the regime are something else. Saddam was a hard core Stalinist in his methods of achieving power, not his uses of that power. And, no, all religions were not free to flourish. Shiaa pilgrimages like the current one were repressed, for example.

Why failed? In several places the spread of Communism was stopped by the US supported dictatorships. Would you have rather have Latin America to be ruled by Che Guevara?

Failed because Communism would have never been feasible at all with functional democracies in Latin America instead of the US supported Kleptocracies. Without a Batista, there would have been no support for Castro. Without the corruption of South American Generalissimos, Che would have been a mediocre country doctor.

The Iran fell to Islamists after dictator/shah was abandoned and Vietnam started to fall to Communists after Diem was killed with approval of Kennedy.

The key words here are "abandoned" and "killed". Poor policies that left a power vacuum. Democracies don't spring into vacuums; they have to be built and nurtured.

Human nature did not change. BTW, Democracies/republics existed before 1705 and EACH time if allowed to last long enough and prosper they evolved into monarchies/empires.

Most were not democracies or republics save in name. They were in fact oligarchies, where the power to vote was retained only by the elite (a mistake we almost made, but thankfully remedied).

115 posted on 08/31/2005 8:31:19 AM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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