A border war: why America is split over its rising numbers of illegal immigrants

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[catbertz]

"Is 'Special Order 40' still in effect for L.A.?"

yes..in LA. It's some lapd order regarding not reporting illegals over to INS/ICE

[bayourod]

Ecery city I've heard of wants more businesses moving in creating more economic opportunity and wealth for their residents. Maybe some ultra-liberal places in Washington State or Vermont want the companies in their towns to leave but I doubt that there are many.

[SolarisRocks]

Drug dealers, mobsters and scam artists provide a lot of jobs for Americans when they spend their illegally gotten money. Should we ignore it when they break the law like we do when illegals break it?

[dalereed]

It's only the bureaucrats that want more business so they can raise more taxes to pay for more white collar welfare, it's not the citizens that live there.
What's really needed is to eliminate half the "services" and put the civil servants that run them on actual welfare.
Any business owner that hires an illegal belongs in prison.

[McGavin999]

Armed with support from local newspapers such as the Arizona Republic and backing from business interests, he and others have been lobbying their fellow Republicans. "It's the right thing to do, and it plays well," he says. Opposition to immigration, he insists, "is just bad politics. You put yourself in territory where I don't think the Republican party wants to be".

Flake is going to be unemployed. He has really misread the situation. This isn't his trusty old farmhand that's coming in here lately, this is criminal gangs who are raping and murdering. This is illegals completely taking over school districts and hospital emergency rooms. This is TB and other diseases long thought stamped out that are suddenly breaking out all over.

[bayourod]

Trying to enforce national laws in local areas where the citizens don't want the law enforced has been a problem for many years.

In the South there was a disconnect between federal revenue officers who tried to bust illegal alcohol stills and local citizens who benefited from those stills.

I understand that in some counties in California where marijuana growing is a significant percent of their income there is a disconnect between the DEA and the local citizens.

When you start closing down companies that are major employers in a community you are going to have a disconnect. Congressmen will not let it go on for long.

Before it will be politically possible to close down businesses for hiring illegal employees you must first provide a way for them to replace those illegal ones with legal ones. That's called a guest worker program.

[TERMINATTOR]

For you, this is all about cheap weed and booze, isn't it?

[Happy2BMe]

Click the S.O. 40 link in #18.

[cartman90210]

Actually, the big money is in coke and heroin. The Cuban cigars are just for funzies.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Flake is going to be unemployed. He has really misread the situation.

Hope so since he has obviously decided to represent everyone else in the world instead of his constituents.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Trying to enforce national laws in local areas where the citizens don't want the law enforced has been a problem for many years.

What universe are you living in, the same one as these politicians like Flake? People all across this country want the laws against illegal aliens enforced, it's only a small minority of cheap labor pimps that prefer to keep the status quo.

[Itzlzha]

Trying to enforce national laws in local areas where the citizens don't want the law enforced has been a problem for many years.

Well, look what rose up to play "Illegal Infiltrator Whack-A-Mole"...

Looks like a job for...

"The FreeRepublic OBL Sock-Puppet *PING* List!"

Yeah, bayou...it's morons like YOU and the OBL Business Idiots that LOVE them some cheap lettuce and ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS to do their gardening and Toilet-Cleaning!

The REAL public...you know, the ones who PAY THE DAMN TAXES...they want the BORDERS SEALED to ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS...they want to stop ILLEGALS from using Public services that they do not pay for, but the rest of us get whacked with higher taxes to cover these losses...they want ILLEGALS to NOT get more benefits and PRIVILEDGES than we who actually live here LEGALLY!

But I'm sure your Fabric-Softener addled mind will immediately start the siren's call of the psycotropic kaleidoscope protest of "RACISM" that you and all your OBL sock-puppet pals rely on when anyone calls for the end to ILLEGAL INFILTRATION...you can't help it...it's your Fabric Softener addicted brain...personally I blame "Snuggles" for your addiction...that and your desire to sell out Americans for cheap lettuce.

[LS]

We need both. No problem is solved simply at the demand end.

[bayourod]

"People all across this country want the laws against illegal aliens enforced"

They may want them enforced in other people's towns, but they don't want the employers in their own towns shut down.You don't see any Governors or Mayors calling for the federal government to come to their states and towns and shut down employers.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

You don't see any Governors or Mayors calling for the federal government to come to their states and towns and shut down employers.

Of course not, they know who butters their bread, they're called big corporations. Those interests are the complete opposite of the vast majority of citizens who want the laws upheld.

[tiki]

They have enforced it strictly but only in the SW and mostly in rural areas. The ones who got past the border states have been left alone.

[DumpsterDiver]

America has a long history of welcoming not just immigrants, but illegal immigrants - a tradition celebrated in the famous verse on the Statue of Liberty that exhorts the world to "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses learning to breathe free".

Bull!

Since the mid-1980s, it has tried to discourage illegal immigrants by building fences, fining employers and jailing and deporting those found illegally.

Bull!

California broke ground in 1994 when 59 per cent of the state's voters passed Proposition 187, which banned illegal immigrants in the state from receiving public education, non-emergency medical care or any other taxpayer-funded benefits.

Prop. 187 died a swift death.

Have these authors done research into illegal immigration?

[bayourod]

"they know who butters their bread, they're called big corporations. "

No, they are elected by voters and have to respond to the needs of the voters. Why do third party types always pretend that voters don't exist? Well, maybe voters don't exist for third party types.

[tiki]

I need to check my posts, I think he plagiarized me. Not really, but its what I've been saying for years. The Mexicans have to get past the SW and get into the interior and there they stay. When they were allowed to work along the border, (it used to be illegal for them to be here but not illegal for you to employ them) they worked a few months and then they went home. Their families did a lot with the money and usually within a few years they returned home for good. But the liberals in Congress thought they were being exploited and gave them amnesty right about the time Mexico's economy tanked.

A good guest worker program which allows them to work but not bring their families, does not allow them to collect unemployment (they have to go home if they lose their job.) they aren't eligible for Earned Income Credit and I could think of a few more restrictions. A good, strictly enforced guest worker program WOULD be good for the US and there are ways to track them if they really want to.

I think 5% unemployment is pretty close to full employment. My son works in construction and his boss is at his wit's end trying to keep workers but it is too easy for those who don't want to work not to we're getting about like Europe. I know around here that any entry level job is almost impossible to fill and we usually have around 30% unemployment because those amnesty seekers settled around here close to the border. I think another amnesty would be a disaster but that's what the Dims are talking about. It is a problem that needs a whole lot less hysteria and politicking and a lot more calm reasoning. They need to consider the consequences thoroughly.