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No-Holds-Barred Cage Fighting Causes Alarm
Fox News.com ^ | 8/30/05 | Fox News

Posted on 08/30/2005 2:15:53 PM PDT by misterrob

FORT DODGE, Iowa — It's a sport where punching, kicking and slamming a knee into someone's gut are allowed. And like it or not, its popularity has surged in recent years.

Known on the street as cage fighting (search), extreme fighting or mixed martial arts, it features a combination of wrestling, boxing and jujitsu.

The goal: Knock your opponent out cold ... or force him to surrender.

"I don't think it's that violent. It's the same in football, baseball and basketball — they all get injured just as bad. It's just a sport," Fort Dodge, Iowa, cage fighter Donnie Nordstrom told FOX News.

But others have a different perspective.

"It's very violent and somebody is going to get hurt very seriously. Somebody is going to get killed or maimed," said Iowa Athletic Commissioner Dave Neil.

So far, no cage fighters have died in the United States. But it may be only a matter of time, given the lack of rules and regulation at the lowest level of this combat sport.

"The only rule there really is in the state of Iowa is no hitting behind the head. No hitting in the kidney. And no slamming of the elbow if the person is down," Neil said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cagefighting; martialarts; ultimatefighting
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More nanny state oversight coming our way...
1 posted on 08/30/2005 2:15:58 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob
MMA cagefighting is safer than boxing, since fighters have the option of chokes and joint locks, which

1) are less dangerous than knockout punches, and

2) most fight end with the loser conceding (tapping out) rather than sustaining an injury.

BTW, John McCain has come out against MMA prizefights. Care to guess who get money from boxing interests.

2 posted on 08/30/2005 2:22:16 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: misterrob

I think 'no holds' is the synergy of cock fighting and the show that exploits the bums to do stupid things...


3 posted on 08/30/2005 2:23:57 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity

There are many rules in mma....it is the only sport i keep up with...there's some great sportmanship believe it or not.


4 posted on 08/30/2005 2:25:57 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: white trash redneck

This is such nonsense. MMA is safer than most sports because:

1. There are basic rules for safety;
2. They stop the fight long before any serious damage is done.
3. Many figths end with non-injurious submission holds

This is more nonsense from the nanny state looking to keep boxing alive which is more dangerous than MMA, Hockey, or Football.

So far there has not been one death in MMA.


5 posted on 08/30/2005 2:25:59 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: misterrob

If this is the same as Ultimate Fighter, I actually have become hooked on it and it doesn't seem all that dangerous, since the refs are pretty quick to stop a fight when someone stops defending.


6 posted on 08/30/2005 2:26:36 PM PDT by Taliesan (The power of the State to do good is the power of the State to do evil.)
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To: misterrob

Whatever... nobody forces the guys to fight each other.


7 posted on 08/30/2005 2:28:03 PM PDT by Kurt_D
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To: antaresequity

MMA is the most entertaining skilled sport, period. You have highly trained martial artsits of all disciplines competing against each other. No one has ever died or been paralyzed, unlike football or other sports.

You have no t a clue at to what MMA fighting entails. Its not toughman or anything like that, its highly skilled trained athletes competing in a sport like in the ancient Olympics.


8 posted on 08/30/2005 2:28:21 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: chris1

truth bump


9 posted on 08/30/2005 2:29:44 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: Taliesan

Ultimate Fighter got me into Gracie Jui Jitsue. Its the best sport around, and boxing fans are petrified that it will overtake boxing, and it will.

Its safer than boxing,
More entertaining than Boxing
More versatile than Boxing or Wrestling


10 posted on 08/30/2005 2:30:12 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: antaresequity

Have you ever watched a cage Fight? Probably not!

These guys are all there of their own free will and they are all HIGHLY trained ATHLETES, something you probably know nothing about.

If you don't like it, DON"T WATCH!!! What a concept!


11 posted on 08/30/2005 2:31:13 PM PDT by bigj00
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To: bigj00

Its just amazing that the same people who will cheer on Hockey and Football will talk trash about MMA.


12 posted on 08/30/2005 2:32:21 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: bigj00

I don't watch...but thanks for the tip anyways...


13 posted on 08/30/2005 2:32:25 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: bigj00

Go rent "The Smashing Machine" about Mark Kerr. You will love it!


14 posted on 08/30/2005 2:33:26 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: misterrob
I've watched it for years. You used to be able to head butt, knee and elbow in the face but I don't think it's allowed now. As a former college wrestler I became attracted to it because it carried my martial art to the next level. You have to be a good at wrestling, boxing and jujitsu in order to contend...whoever said it's "bum fighting" is FOS, these are the biggest bad asses in the world and would kill any Mike Tyson in his prime in a nanosecond.
15 posted on 08/30/2005 2:42:48 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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I don't know about more versatile since most of the world champions have been Ex-collegiate wrestlers. If I am not mistaken, Randy Coutere, ex-wrestler at Oklahoma State is a 3 time world champion.


16 posted on 08/30/2005 2:54:06 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Conservatism: doing what is right instead of what is easy)
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To: misterrob

So...MMA should be outlawed because it "might" be dangerous? Even though no one has been killed "yet"??

Great logic. By that standard, let's outlaw electric can openers. No one's been killed "yet", but...


17 posted on 08/30/2005 2:54:15 PM PDT by GimpySadan (Redistribution of wealth? Sure...you first.)
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To: bigj00
I agree about them being highly trained athletes. My nephew has a 16-0-0 record in it. He has worked very hard at it. Some of his fights are considered classics (ufc 38, ufc 40). I think he has retired now, partly because he was being jacked around by the promoter. He now concentrates on instructing at williams combat grappling.
18 posted on 08/30/2005 2:59:29 PM PDT by ghostcat
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To: chris1

I saw Grace break a fellows wrist in a submission hold. It was amazing. Before Big John McClain could call him out or the other fellow (White Tiger Karate) could tap out.


19 posted on 08/30/2005 2:59:40 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Neoliberalnot
I don't know about more versatile since most of the world champions have been Ex-collegiate wrestlers. If I am not mistaken, Randy Coutere, ex-wrestler at Oklahoma State is a 3 time world champion.

I agree...if you aren't very good at wrestling it would be hard to good at UF, Mark Coleman was a good example. Your body needs to learn balance gained from wrestling...I don't any champions who gained that strictly from jujitsu, but I don't keep up with it all that much either, it's too expensive.

20 posted on 08/30/2005 3:23:11 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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