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In Defense of Price Gouging
American Enterprise Institute | John Lott

Posted on 09/01/2005 4:22:37 AM PDT by chronic_loser

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I expect there will be three streams of reaction to this, if there are any at all:

1) The Usual crowd of freepers who cannot be bothered to actually read the article but feel compelled to display what they "think" about the rapacious mercantilists, blah blah blah

2) The other set of freepers who may actually read the article but are so overcome with resentment against the exploiters and profiteers, or lugubrious sentiment for the exploited that any appeal to common sense is lost on them.

3) A few hardy souls who actually have some understanding of markets, how they work, and how market based solutions are the best, even in a time of crisis.

This is mostly for crowd number three.

1 posted on 09/01/2005 4:22:37 AM PDT by chronic_loser
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3) A few hardy souls who actually have some understanding of markets, how they work, and how market based solutions are the best, even in a time of crisis.

And who don't give a d*mn that God forbade usury.

2 posted on 09/01/2005 4:24:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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I'm for #3. Now is not the time to panic. Give the markets time to settle down.


3 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:26 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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Some (like raising the price of gas) is just survival. If a gas station knows their next delivery of fuel is going to be $3.39 a gallon, then they are going to need that much cash flow to get it, even though the fuel already in the tanks only cost $2.34.


4 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:31 AM PDT by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: chronic_loser

I have no problem with # 3


5 posted on 09/01/2005 4:30:18 AM PDT by PeteB570
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Look, everybody knows retail marketing depends on selling current stock at the replacement cost. Folks who don't do that go broke.

Anybody who doesn't know that doesn't have an opinion worth listening to.

6 posted on 09/01/2005 4:33:21 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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The alternative to forbidding price gouging would be to publicize every company that does it.

You bring up a few good points, but maybe what is needed is a natural disaster plan that includes agreeable per person rates at the hotels. The participating companies can annually sit down and set the rates by negotiating with the towns and cities in which they operate.


7 posted on 09/01/2005 4:33:39 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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Assuming that orders are always of fixed size. Less of an expensive item at the same percentage profit margin over cost, is needed to equal the profit from a cheap item at the same margin.


8 posted on 09/01/2005 4:37:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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"Anybody who doesn't know that doesn't have an opinion worth listening to."

That would include many freepers.

I tried to educate one on replacement costs yesterday, and he made the argument of 'would you fine with me giving you an estimate for fixing your house then charging you 3 times as much'... Like that made any sense or related to the retailing of a commodity like gasonline in ANY way, shape, or form.


9 posted on 09/01/2005 4:38:24 AM PDT by flashbunny (Always remember to bring a towel!)
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For about 4 days following 9-11-01, gas prices locally (about 2000 miles away from NYC and WDC) jumped to over $7 per gallon. No reason. No justification. Nothing but kneejerk price gouging.

By the next week, gas prices returned to normal (9-10 prices).

Price gouging is no different than the looting. Just because it is a business, it doesn't have the right to literally steal from customers. [I am lenient with those along the gulf who are stranded and are 'looting' food and clothing. Many of them lost everything except the clothes on their backs and may be stranded for days. But those looting TVs, computers, etc., -- dang, I could have used a new pc --- just bought a new one -- lol -- are just thieves.]


10 posted on 09/01/2005 4:38:59 AM PDT by TomGuy
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I can see how some people would conclude that if my family just went through a hurricane, and power is down, and we have no electricity to provide A/C, light, fans, etc, that we'd be better off sweating in the dark. It's better to be miserable than to be allowed to engage in commerce with an entrepreneur who can provide me the goods I need, but rightfully expects to enjoy a profit for his effort and risk.

My son called me from a Midwest state during the hurricane and asked if I thought it would be a good idea for him to purchase a truckload of generators and drive down to Mississippi and sell them. Of course, he expected to make money on each sale.

I told him "no," and warned him that the government has now decided that commerce during a disaster should be curtailed, and that engaging in capitalism in a disaster area could land him in jail.

Victims of these disasters are too stupid to decide for themselves if they'd prefer to pay a couple hundred dollars above store price for a generator, rather than do without power because the stores were either wrecked, closed, or didn't have any generators available.
This is a great example of how government adds to the misery of disaster.
By the way, I've lived through this. I live in the western FL panhandle, and I've seen this stupidity first hand.
11 posted on 09/01/2005 4:39:13 AM PDT by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Profit is not necessary to stay in business. On the other hand, if you fail to bring in sufficient cash flow to cover the costs of replacing your stock, you will always end up out of business.

It is the merchant's responsibility to buy intelligently.

These principles apply wither prices are rising or falling.

When governments impose price controls, retail merchants cannot restock and shortages result.

12 posted on 09/01/2005 4:41:14 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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I expect there will be three streams of reaction to this . . .

Nice preemptive strike.  LOL.

Anyone who disagrees with the article probably has not read it, is too full of resentment to appreciate it, or has no understanding how markets really work.

Cool.

But, silly.

Ignore the politics and see what you end up with.  It'll be an entirely different system than the one you cherish.  John Lott et al ought to reflect upon that.

13 posted on 09/01/2005 4:41:27 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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He's right in his premise about the natural rising of prices to meet demand.

However, you cannot ignore what Georgia did.

They floated the rumor that they might run out of gasoline.

The resulting panic caused gas lines, panic topping off of the tanks, and the gas station owners raising the prices by the quarter hour. Some raising the price as much as a dollar at a time.

14 posted on 09/01/2005 4:41:29 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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The Florida law about gouging explicitly creates an out for the cost of acquisition of the items being sold. Nobody's ever expected to sell for less than what they had expended to acquire and get the item there. Your son included. I'm amazed you know nothing about that.


15 posted on 09/01/2005 4:44:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: muawiyah
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!! Exactly what the article reflects, with a few more details, instead of simple broad strokes. Thanks.

I have to admit, though. I got up at 5 am and filled up our three cars. It hurt me to see the contractor with the dually next to me as I watched his pump still rolling at $135.00 as I drove away. It is going to be tough over the next few weeks, and the pretty airheads on TV won't help much. God, but those people are stupid!!

16 posted on 09/01/2005 4:44:27 AM PDT by chronic_loser
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To: muawiyah
On the other hand, if you fail to bring in sufficient cash flow to cover the costs of replacing your stock, you will always end up out of business.

No, you can sell less at a higher price.

17 posted on 09/01/2005 4:45:20 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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The first fire department was a private contractor in ancient Rome.   They'd show up at a fire and begin by price 'negotiating'.   The name of the first fire chief was Crassius, from whom we got the word "crass".

Disaster areas have unstable demolished markets, and so there are a lot of situations where sale prices vary within a huge range.   It's common to have one person buy a flashlight at ten times the price that someone else paid a few minutes earlier.  The role of government is to first meet all life and death emergencies with aid free of charge, and second to provide communications so all the sellers and buyers can find each other so prices can stabilize.

18 posted on 09/01/2005 4:46:55 AM PDT by expat_panama
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The role of government is to first meet all life and death emergencies with aid free of charge,

That may be what our gov't has morphed into, but actually Thomas Jefferson vetoed such a bill on the grounds that it was unlawful (unconstitutional). I can google it for you if you ask. The second role of gov't is PRECISELY what the interstate commerce clause is all about, and I agree wholeheartedly.

19 posted on 09/01/2005 4:50:27 AM PDT by chronic_loser
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There are people who argue that the French have had a few good ideas, but not many who say that Laissez-faire is one of them..

I will say this pay-backs are a bicht.
If a company is going to screw with the community when we are down don't think that all will be forgotten when it's not.
20 posted on 09/01/2005 4:50:31 AM PDT by grjr21
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